TPG sheds staff to Asia

Total Peripherals Group (TPG), one of the nation's largest Internet Service Providers, is in the process of outsourcing its call centre operations to the Philippines.

The move is expected to displace 103 technical support jobs in total, sources close to the company told ZDNet Australia.

In addition, up to 65 employees at TPG's customer service section are slated to be replaced in the near future, sources said.

In the past, the ISP -- which has at least 50,000 ADSL customers and a host of dial-up and Web hosting clients -- would normally employ between 20 and 30 technical support staff at its Sydney office on a casual basis, but now, these workers "would be lucky to get one shift per week", one source said.

While outsourcing to low-cost geographical areas has long been recognised as a potential cost-saver for Western businesses, TPG employees have been kept in the dark over the decision.

"The fact that they have not announced this to their employees displays enormous disrespect to us.

"I would not at all be surprised if one day I show up to work to find the doors locked, and a security guard outside advising me to go home as I have lost my job," another source said.

"While a lot of us don't mind that we'll soon be leaving TPG," one employee said, "it's more the fact that management is attempting to hide this from us and isn't giving any notice to find a new job."

Employees first started noticing changes when a new phone system was introduced on July 19.

On one occasion, a Sydney-based help desk worker became suspicious and began investigating an unusual -- and unidentified -- individual logging calls in the company's call queue. "The employee's shift was cut after discovering the it was someone from the Philippines ... some have even been terminated for so much as inquiring about the proposed move," one source said.

Sources said workers involved in providing technical support for dial-up customers have been the first to go, and the number of ADSL-related enquiries to TPG's Sydney centre have been dropping. This suggests that Manila is picking up the load, they said.

Workers have also found other unexplainable activities. "I've seen seen logs of Jill [TPG call centre manager Jill Chesher] activating accounts, and general account assistance for staff who are not employed in our North Ryde office, nor listed in our intranet --- which has all employees in Australia and New Zealand," one source within the company told ZDNet Australia.

TPG's partner in the Philippines has also been on a recruitment drive.

Manila-based Orchid Cybertech Services has placed job advertisements online seeking call centre expertise. Initially, all queries were directed to TPG Internet head Vitek Piestrzynski, but his details have since been removed.

ZDNet Australia contacted TPG on numerous occasions via telephone and e-mail but the company has declined to comment.

TPG is privately-held and has been in business for about 18 years.

Talkback 17 comments

    TPG Anonymous -- 10/08/05 (in reply to #120120029)

    That is absolutely despicable behaviour from TPG! It’s shocking that it would outsource like this and an absolute shock that they would do it without telling their staff!

    I work for another ISP, but have an account with TPG. I think I’ll close my account to show TPG what I think of their treatment of staff. It really shows that TPG doesn’t care about their staff.

    Hopefully the TPG call centre is Unionised and the Unions make TPG Management accountable for (most likely) making so many highly skilled staff just another statistics in the jobless reports.

    I got to choose between my current employer and TPG when I was looking for a job (I was given a position at both companies) – it looks like I made the right choice (as evil as my current employer is…).

    Outsourcing IT Rafik Kocharians -- 03/10/05 (in reply to #120120030)

    I didn't vote for Keating nor agreed with most of his policies, except for one. The clever country. Now Mr Howard is trying to sell Telstra. Next thing, we will see Telstra outsource all of its support to another country. Eventually we will become a third world country. Wearing grass skirts like Fiji.

    Asian call centers Anonymous -- 15/08/05

    I have a personal policy of avoiding companies who offshore jobs.
    (For example I recently closed my American express account because they moved their call center to the Phillipines).
    When will companies learn that overseas call centers are counter productive.

    McAfee Anonymous -- 15/08/05 (in reply to #120120143)

    I've heard that McAfee have done the same thing. They've moved part of their Australian call centre OS.

    amex Anonymous -- 17/01/06 (in reply to #120120143)

    Yes i also had occasion to speak with the amex call center and was not warned about their recording. I said "you are recording this aren't you?" and the reply was yes.This company treats Australian Law with contempt by doing so and should be banned from all Australian activities.

    Ex TPG Employee explains Anonymous -- 05/09/05

    Some time ago I was an employee of TPG in their PC wholesale area. The women that ran the Brisbane branch (and was also responsible for PC sales nationaly) Pat Hornick was the rudist and most abusive person I had ever worked for. Again there was no correspondence with staff that they were about to go out of hardware,I had to resign as I could not handle this work enviroment any longer. So I must agree that the way TPG treat there staff is wrong. I would never recommend there services to anyone regardless of the pricing structure. They obviously only care about the bottom line (Profit) and it will come back and bite the on the bum real soon. They even have a policy in their employment contract that they will not provide any ex or current employee with a reference regardless of how much effort you put into the job, That says it all really, Boycott them and tell everyone who cares what you have read, Westnet are a company I would recommend. (and no I do not have any ties with them it is just from experience.)

    TPG Anonymous -- 30/09/05

    I have an account with TPG and after this news I will certainly move. I personally know of one employee who was treated in an infamous manner whilst working for this company. I am sure you could be inundated with stories from ex-employees and soon to be ex-employees about TPG treatment of staff. Perhaps the unions or the Industrial Relations Commission should investigate the treatment of Australian staff by TPG - this sort of behaviour should not be allowed in this day and age.

    yes bananas are cheaper in philipines ichatting -- 01/10/05

    yes bananas are cheaper in philipines

    TPG sheds staff to Asia Anonymous -- 21/10/05 (in reply to #120121586)

    cheap bananas from the Philippines for cheap monkeys in Australia...

    but a good and quality bananas Anonymous -- 18/09/06 (in reply to #120121586)

    in the philippines bananas are cheaper but you will get a good and quality bananas at par with the expensive one that you are referring about.

    You want cheap or you want good? Anonymous -- 03/10/05

    I've got TPG. I chose based on price. I joined early last year on their $29.95 256K truly unlimited plan which is not on offer any more.

    They have honoured my plan, and extended it. I don't get throttled, and I often use 30+Gb a month.

    I've used their phone service about five times. Other than having to wait about as long as the CommBank queue on a Friday arvo, I've had the problem solved in a prompt manner, regardless of the accent of the person on the other end.

    I'm getting value - if I wanted red carpet treatment, then I would have looked elsewhere as well, but as the price was the over-riding factor, then I suspect I may have made the right choice - you certainly cannot get the same deal any more - so why should I whine?

    The profit factor is neccessary - why would you stay in business if you were not making a profit? TPG is not a charity.

    If moving overseas to retain a healthy profit margin is what it takes to stay in business, would you rather pay less and deny your kids a right to a job, or would you still whine and pick the cheapest option? Hard call, but it looks like TPG is going with the first choice for survival reasons.

    TPG really pisses me off!!! Marisa -- 14/10/05

    I had soooo many problems when i first joined when the sales consultant signed me up on the wrong plan so I was not getting the special 1.5mb deal for $49.95 but a much slower speed, all because they had filled in an old form. I was the one who had to pay the difference and never received an apology for their mistake. After 12mths, i decided to check out new plans and when ringing to helpdesk, was suspicious as the person on the other end of the phone was clearly from the Philipines and the phone echoed. I asked directy "where are you from" and was told "Sydney." By fluke I looked at whirlpool.net.au and discovered the shameful behaviour displayed by TPG. I am definitely taking my business and 10 of my friends elsewhere!!

    Quality sacrificed in the name of cost Anonymous -- 08/08/06

    Having had several frustrating attempts at logging support calls to a call centre that seems to have English language difficulties I can only comment that this is a very short sited move by TPG. Your customers demand quality service, and this move is not delivering that expected quality. You maybe saving money but you will soon be losing customers - by the droves.

    How ridiculous Anonymous -- 08/08/06

    I had the misfortune of dealing with this new TPG call centre. I was actually told to unplug my modem and go knocking on doors in my neighbourhood asking neighbours if I could test my modem on their ADSL line.
    That maybe a fine cultural norm for Philipine villages but it just doesn't wash here in Australia. Bad bad bad move TPG. Get real and see the light will you.

    IDIOT Anonymous -- 10/11/08 (in reply to #120139726)

    Yeah right i am sure that is what you where told... I am an Aussie who lives and runs a successful call centre here in the Philippines and NO that is not the norm in the provinces (We dont have villages i thinks thats in Africa).

    In reality the "NO" outsourcing to the Philippines whingers are a very very small minority and after a short trip back home to OZ i know where the most polite customer service and overall race preside and its not in Australia..

    TPG sre crooks Anonymous -- 13/02/07

    I have had numerous problems with TPG both technical and on a customer service side. The one thing I have found is that no one will let you speak to someone in charge. They seem to close rank and hope you will go away. No one at that company cares about customer service. I joined them as they had cheap deals but TPG definatly proves the old saying 'you get what you pay for'
    I have been trying for weeks to speak to a manager there but no one will put me through and no one returns calls.

    TPG the worst ISP around Anonymous -- 04/02/08

    I first went to TPG to save money, but like the old saying goes "you get what you pay for" after numerous problems with TPG both technical and customer support. The last straw was when they recently messed up my billing, overcharged my account, caused me to have dishonour fees charged against me, admitted they made a mistake but still refuse to reimburse me the overcharged amount. And the contact centre staff had no idea of what they were doing.

    I have decided to to find another ISP. I don't care if I have to pay more, I don't care if I get less download limit. If the company I go for, supports Australian workers then they will get my money.

    TPG do not care about customer service, they are only interested in taking your money and woe betide you if you have a problem you need solved.

    TPG has to be the worst ISP in Australia.

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