Senate calls for Telstra apology in survey-rigging affair

Telstra was held accountable for last month's rigging of ZDNet Australia's online survey at Senate Estimates this week, with the opposition calling for the nation's incumbent carrier to apologise where it has so far failed to do so.

Telstra has admitted that a contractor rigged an online ZDNet survey last month, which questioned whether the Telstra's BigPond Internet service provides value for money. The results were skewed dramatically in the carrier's favour and the contractor's services are now no longer engaged by Telstra.

Despite a confession from the national carrier that someone within its own ranks had manipulated the survey, it steadfastly refused to apologise - saying it couldn't control the action of its employees.

In a transcript of Monday's Senate Estimates viewed by ZDNet Australia, Democrats spokesperson for communications Senator Lyn Allison, raised the issue of the Telstra-tampered survey. Allison's questioning of Telstra's managing director human resources, Bill Scales, was supported by deputy Senate leader and Labor shadow minister, Stephen Conroy, and Labor's Senator, Kate Lundy.

"You would not have a problem with apologising, surely, if it was found that one of your contractors had in fact rigged the survey?" Senator Lundy questioned.

Scales said Telstra's "willingness or otherwise to apologise would very much depend on the way in which any one survey was organised and whether any appropriate checks and balances had been put in place to ensure that people did not manipulate the system - not only any contractor of ours or even any employee of ours - but any individual who might be part of that survey. There would be a number of circumstances where, on the face of it, it might seem unreasonable not to apologise but where there could be quite reasonable reasons why, if we felt that a survey was not appropriately conducted, we would not see it as appropriate to apologise."

Shadow minister for communications, Lyndsay Tanner, today condemned the telco heavyweight's refusal to apologise, and on what he described as Scales' -audacity" to suggest that Telstra's willingness to apologise would depend on whether the survey was appropriately conducted, he said: -The only evidence of any tampering of these particular surveys comes from Telstra itself."

-Telstra must also apologise to ZDNet. There are no excuses for rigging Internet surveys. Australia's largest corporation should be setting the standard for appropriate and ethical corporate behaviour in Australia," he said.

Telstra had not returned calls by time of going to press.

Talkback 9 comments

    What a crock! No-one takes the ...Anonymous -- 20/02/02

    What a crock! No-one takes these things seriously. Everyone with a brain must realise they are manipulated by special interest groups all the time. Their statistical accuracy is zero.

    So Telstra won't apologise for ...John Beaver -- 20/02/02

    So Telstra won't apologise for a contractor riggin a survey unless the survey has enough checksums to not allow tampering. Well that'll save them a lot of apologies, maybe they got this strategy from John Howard. So if a Telsra technician comes to my home or office and steals something from there, then I take it Telstra would only apologise if I had already locked everything in a safe.
    On the other side, this means that Telstra can do no wrong because unless Ziggy did it they did not have authority to do it, so Telstra didn't actually do it. Someone should point out to Telstra that the courts have already determined that a person working for you in employee or contract basis is working as an authorised representative of your company.
    Hey Telstra, welcome to the real world.

    As much as I dislike the busin ...Anonymous -- 20/02/02

    As much as I dislike the business practices of Telstra, I tend to agree with them this time. If ZDNet want to promote their servey as a representation of actual community opinion, then they should remove the flaw in their voting system which allows a vote originating from a particular IP address to be registered multiple times. I have even rigged a previous servey when it was something I was passionate about. Sure, it will prevent many people behind a proxy server from expressing their opinion (unless they are the first to vote), but it will certainly be a more realistic representation of community opinion, rather than a complete farce. Rigging the vote is as simple as voting for the option you want, then refreshing the page continuously. Each refresh submits the vote to the server again, pushing the result just that little bit more in your favour... I suggest ZDNet blame themselves for letting this happen rather than relying on the good faith of the internet community.

    Like Johnny H., like Telstra… ...Jill -- 20/02/02

    Like Johnny H., like Telstra…

    This new, loving caring Telstra is Howard’s / Alston’s Frankenstein’s monster.

    "Fullname: Anonymous ...Anonymous -- 21/02/02

    "Fullname: Anonymous
    "Location: Sydney
    "Occupation: Software Developer
    "Comments: As much as I dislike the business
    "practices of Telstra

    so you admit to vote rigging to??
    your as bad as thay are!
    owww hang on you must work for TEL$TRA to.

    ZD net's system DOSE WORK that is how TEL$TRA was busted or are you to slow of mind to work that out

    so you admit to vote rigging t ...Anonymous -- 21/02/02

    so you admit to vote rigging to??
    your as bad as thay are!
    owww hang on you must work for TEL$TRA to.

    "Fullname: Anonymous
    "Location: Sydney
    "Occupation: Software Developer
    "Comments: As much as I dislike the business
    "practices of Telstra

    so you admit to vote rigging to??
    your as bad as thay are!
    owww hang on you must work for TEL$TRA to.

    ZD net's system DOSE WORK that is how TEL$TRA was busted or are you to slow of mind to work that out

    Well, Mr. ICS... You've succe ...Anonymous -- 21/02/02

    Well, Mr. ICS... You've successfully demonstrated a complete lack of any useful knowledge in this area. By Network Installer, i'm assuming that you probably install cables and plug them into the little socket thingies at the back of the computer, eh?

    ZDNet would have only found the offending vote rigger when the results skewed too far in telstra's favour to be believable. They would have then consulted their web server logs to find the offending IP address and as it happened to originate from a Telstra internal IP, it suddenly became a news item worthy of the resulting media frenzy. I can say confidently that they have no automated checks to ensure there is no abuse of the polling system, so it is therefore a joke of a feature.

    Get a life ICS and get a dictionary. You are obviously the type of person who supports microsoft's position that security flaws and vulnerabilities should be hidden not fixed.

    If opinion poll don't matter, ...Shafted_broadband_user -- 21/02/02

    If opinion poll don't matter, then why is Telstra always telling us that they improved their service and have less customer complaints, with figures to prove it?

    Telstra is not about infrastru ...Anonymous -- 21/02/02

    Telstra is not about infrastructure...

    Telstra's focus has changed form providing infrastructure at cost price to the people who own/owned Telecom/Telstra.

    The focus was on providing needed infrastructure.

    What is the purpose of a company?

    There is only one reason to operate a company and that is to make a profit.

    If Telstra would make better profits overseas then they will invest overseas.

    If Telstra would make greater profits in another industry then they will move into that industry and adjust/reduce their commitment to telecommunications.

    After all the focus is on profits not on public infrastructure.

    Who cares about the Australian taxpayer who made Telecom/Telstra possible in the first place?

    Telstra must be split up!

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