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Optus chief: Telstra split not communist

By Liam Tung, ZDNet.com.au
01 December 2009 04:13 PM
Tags: nbn, optus, osullivan, telstra, thodey, o'sullivan

The government's plan to split Telstra is not communist, Optus chief Paul O'Sullivan said today, because Telstra was not a normal company.

At a Sydney business lunch today, O'Sullivan said that while some observers feared the government's plan to split Telstra was "the beginning of some red revolution", Telstra needed to be treated differently. "Telstra's relationship to its fixed line assets is not the same as a normal Australian company," said O'Sullivan.

He defended the position on the grounds that Telstra was handed its copper network by Australian taxpayers, and that its creation under the Telecommunications Act was meant to aid competition, for example, by giving access to that network to competitors.

"It's quite different to companies that build their assets from the ground up," he said, and later added that "Telstra's shareholders should not be surprised that separation is now on the cards."

He noted that analysts were still recommending a "buy" for Telstra and that they believed it was undervalued at its current price of around $3.45.

Optus has run a sustained campaign which has backed almost entirely the Labor Government's plans to build the NBN, but more importantly to separate its largest competitor. The legislation will not be debated in parliament until 2010; however, O'Sullivan still urged the country to get on with it.

"The reality is that the National Broadband Network is 'do or die' for competition in telecommunications," said O'Sullivan, concerned that the legislation which would clear the way for Telstra's break-up had been bogged down by politics.

"I am very concerned that the debate on the NBN is getting stuck — stuck as debate rages between different sides of politics; stuck as to what to do or what model to take, as the politicians argue and as Telstra capitalises on that to encourage further delay."

Despite the NBN Co having already commenced construction in Tasmania, O'Sullivan said, "It's time to stop the politics and time to start building the NBN."

The Optus chief said any deal between the NBN Co and Telstra should not be privately negotiated. "We think it's critical that Telstra is not allowed to do a backroom deal free from visibility, transparency and accountability to the Australian public. Telstra must not be allowed to escape from parliamentary oversight."

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Talkback 66 comments

    Wrong Wrong Wrong AB -- 01/12/09

    Telstra already had the copper network even before the sale of shares.

    Spliting Telstra will cause more problems than it solves.

    If idiots like Xenophon think that the network will hold itself up without the rest of the company to subsidise it he kidding himself. Regional Australia will be the first to suffer.

    Optus/Singtel "lobby' Group Anonymous -- 01/12/09

    OPTUS should be listed as a "LOBBY" group because thats ALL they! And Minister Conroy is fast becoming known as the Minister for Optus!!

    Ever since deregulation they have not invested in this country but RATHER tried to sponge as much off the Australian Taxpayer as possible!

    Now that OPTUS/SINGTEL gravy train run looks doubtful he starts to Lobby our Pollies!!

    O'Sullivan is Dead wrong about Telstra Shareholders being "Given" the copper network. They have repaid that in Full and deserved to be compensated!!

    telstra shareholder charity group Anonymous -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393195)

    no you are dead wrong. shareholders bought telstra and telstra were handed the network by the taxpayers just like o'sullivan said.

    Whatever you pillock! Anonymous -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393196)

    Whatever you pillock!

    oh well Anonymous -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393198)

    you've done your dough, ha

    Yes, whatever you pillock ! Anonymous -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393198)

    Pillock is far too kind a description for that idiot.

    Taxpayers didn't apy for coper network Anonymous -- 01/12/09

    Would seem the Optus chief doesn't let truth get in the way of a good story.

    Fact taxpayers funded the PMG network till 30 June 1975. Fact Telecom Australia had to pay treasury for its assets when PMG moved to Telecom Australia. Once Telecom Australia was formed the taxpayer didn't fund the modernisation program of the late 1970s and 1980s. The transition of Telecom Australia to Telstra and the floating of Telstra to shareholders, once again paid treasury for Tesltra's assets. Telstra was never gifted taxpayer funded assets.

    If anyone was gifted taxpayer assets, the Optus chief should take his head out of the sand. Remember the bargain you paid for those Aussat Satellites!

    This is the same man who praises and supports the NBN, yet has no idea when it will be available or how much it will cost. Wants access to Telstra infrastructure, but doesn’t want to pay very much for that access. Whinges when Telstra doesn’t have infrastructure in place for it to access, but is unwilling to provide infrastructure to bypass some of Telstra’s voice infrastructure, eg Pair gain systems.

    @Taxpayers didn't pay for copper RS -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393212)

    A G A I N...

    Here's what the THE HIGH COURT (Gleeson CJ, Gummow, Kirby, Hayne, Heydon, Crennan and Kiefel JJ) said, March 6 2008, when deliberating Telstra's unsuccessful bundle of rights challenge.

    "THE PUBLIC SWITCHED TELEPHONE NETWORK [PSTN] WHICH TELSTRA NOW OWNS (AND OF WHICH THE LOCAL LOOPS FORM PART) 'WAS ORIGINALLY A PUBLIC ASSET OWNED AND OPERATED AS A MONOPOLY SINCE FEDERATION BY THE COMMONWEALTH' ([51])...

    The successive steps of corporatisation and privatisation that have led to Telstra now owning the PSTN (and the local loops that are now in issue) were steps which were accompanied by measures which gave competitors to Telstra access to the use of the assets of that network' ([51]). In particular, THE TRANSFER OF THE PSTN TO TELSTRA (FROM THE AUSTRALIAN TELECOMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION) IN 1992 was preceded by the enactment of the Telecommunications Act 1991, which gave other carriers the right to interconnect their facilities to Telstra's network and to obtain access to services supplied by Telstra"...{END}

    So according to the the High Court, the PSTN was a "publicly owned and operated monopoly, until transferred to Telstra in 1992"!

    That's not what you said is it? It's actually more akin to what Mr. O'Sullivan said, curious!

    Full transcript page 5 ... http://www.ags.gov.au/publications/agspubs/legalpubs/litigationnotes/LN16.pdf

    Taxpayers didn't pay for coper network Anonymous -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393221)

    Just because something is publicly owned does not necessarily mean it was funded by taxpayers as has been implied by the Optus chief.

    Even Aussat was once publicly owned. In its original form it was funded out of treasury. Does this now mean that Optus should allow any user access to its newer satellites at ACCC access prices?

    Yes yes.. RS -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393226)

    In relation to your stab in the dark with Aussat, if ongoing access was part of the rules for any deals prior? And particulary if subsequently reaffirmed in court time and time again. Then yes...

    But you say - "If anyone was gifted taxpayer assets, the Optus chief should take his head out of the sand. Remember the bargain you paid for those Aussat Satellites"! {END}

    Gifted/paid? The optimum word being paid.

    But let's not cloud the issue with bullsh!t now. Because for example, Telstra are and have been allowed to (the ACCC told them so years ago, but they initially refused because that was the Sol way) to switch on ADSL2+, with no compulsion to allow access. So that puts paid to the silly satellite analogy.

    Let's not forget too, some argue that "anything Telstra builds should be open to access", as all profits were originally derived from the transferred PSTN they received and then redirected into new infrastructure.

    So let's not get carried away with silly comparisons, because you unsuccessfully tried to rewrite history!

    Fancy not even mentioning the ATC or Feb1 1992!

    where were you? Anonymous -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393226)

    Dude where were you when we were building the network, Gifted what a lot of crop out the net work was built by Telecom and Telecom became Telstra. Telecom being a Government corporation. Which had Gov loans, that had to be paid out before competion began plus interest which help prop up the Gov which ever one it was at the time. At what stage was this gifted to Telstra or was it inherited. The legal quoted is the usual garbage. You didn’t pay for it (even under repaid loans)therefore you were gifted. In QLD do we still own the electricity network doh NO we are now being charge how much more now and its ..... under a wholesale structure because they were not upgrading the network and now charging for upgrading...hmmm makes you think or not unless it was gifted to you to think. Who is the winner here the government they can milk anything to suit them selves and any one who can winge they are not making enough money

    Another... RS -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393478)

    who knows more than the High Court!

    Again for all the experts, who say a lot and supply little or no basis for their claims.

    High Court... "THE PUBLIC SWITCHED TELEPHONE NETWORK [PSTN] WHICH TELSTRA NOW OWNS (AND OF WHICH THE LOCAL LOOPS FORM PART) 'WAS ORIGINALLY A PUBLIC ASSET OWNED AND OPERATED AS A MONOPOLY SINCE FEDERATION BY THE COMMONWEALTH' ([51])...

    And -

    THE TRANSFER OF THE PSTN TO TELSTRA (FROM THE AUSTRALIAN TELECOMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION) IN 1992.

    Sell the shares my friend.

    Almost steve -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393221)

    RS as said previously the govt also vested the PSTN and more to Australian Telecommunications Commission (trading as Telecom Australia) in 1975. See para 13 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/2008/7.html

    I am not a lawyer but when the govt creates a commission eg Australian Telecommunications Commission or Australian and Overseas Telecommunications Corporation Limited (Trading as Telecom Australia then Telstra Corporation Limited) any asset transfer may be only possible via vesting of the assets.

    What Sullivan is saying is true in part but also with a lot bending of the facts

    Why isnt optus being split Anonymous -- 01/12/09

    Why is optus allowed to stay retail and wholesale, optus needs to be split then there will be competition, optus is allowed to stop competitors using thier network, come on conroy split optus

    Ummm because... RS -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393219)

    Because Optus weren't transferred a taxpayer funded (according to the High Court) PSTN network like Telstra. Refer above to @Taxpayers.

    Had Optus been gifted a bottomless money pit too, then Yes (Optus), split them too! But they weren't.

    It's actually a lot easier to understand if like me, you don't have the burden of a loss making TLS portfolio hanging over your head.

    Oh and yes (pre-empting the standard NWAT reply) TLS shareholders now own Telstra who in turn own the gifted PSTN.

    Paul O'Sullivan is an absolute LIER Reality Check -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393224)

    If the PSTN is not Telstra's asset why does the govt simply not take it from Telstra for nothing?

    Why will Telstra get cash for the asset going into the NBN?

    ( By Conroy's own estimate after failed NBN 1.0 Tender, $20 B I L L I O N D O L L A R minimum !! )

    Or as the govt prefers, to give equity to Telstra in a multi billion dollar company !

    And all this after Telstra said NO to fttn and NO to FTTP.

    WHY THE LEGISLATIVE BLACKMAIL ?

    The Govt is sure going to extraordinarily expensive and dirty corrupt extremes for an asset Telstra does'nt own !

    hmm Anonymous -- 01/12/09 (in reply to #320393239)

    Telstra obviously feels that were the govt to take back the network rights it will materially affect their business and will ask for compensation - fair enough.

    but i suspect it will be compensation for loss of resale right - a business consideration - rather than compensation for physical assets, which as you say, the govt. can simply take back using another legislative instrument.

    that and the govt wouldnt simply take the network back - Conroy may not always be the brightest bulb in the box but that one is an obvious route to voter pain. it would be a complete gifthorse to the ailing libs....

    Telstra assets are owned by shareholders. period Reality Check -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393241)

    just more spin rubbish.

    Not the slightest bit valid but you optus guys keep it up, it has worked in getting you guys this far.

    I know you guys are getting desperate now. But the govt is waking up to **** its in and the deal with Telstra will have to be in Telstra's interest.

    A/ To be recommended by the Thodey to the Board.

    B/ For the Board to put it to vote for the shareholders.

    C/ For the shareholders to vote for it.

    Like Thodey said,
    Big cash cheque or Big cash guarantee's for big equity.

    All this **** to get what Optus wanted all along. A shitty little interest in Telstra's network when upgraded.

    Hence the govt planning to sell ALL its equity within 5 yrs of the NBN being built.

    p.s. just a thought a headline asked the question "do we need legislative blackmail ".

    Which is a stupid as asking do we need corruption or do we need a criminal govt.

    In which case when will the govt progress to legislative Theft, legislative rape, legislative murder !

    Zimbabwe leads Australia catching up fast ! Reality Check -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393244)

    No one let alone a Govt could or should sell a company (Telstra) and before the final installment is made scheme to steal back assets to put in a new company it will create to compete with the Company it just finished selling.

    IT IS CRIMINAL.

    The Govt makes laws but not all laws are JUSTICE.

    PSTN Davo -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393244)

    Telstra seems to have forgotten that they valued the PSTN at $0 five years ago. Now it seems to be worth something after all.

    To clarify.. Anonymous -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393239)

    Telstra wanted to build the FTTN network WITHOUT help from government or competitors... the only requirement they had could not be garrenteed so they didn't do it... that was Telstra wanted to set the wholesales access prices to the new network and control their return on investment. I've never seen Optus in such a predicament.. oh thats right. They want Telstra to build so they can use at next to nothing **** off Optus

    Times up Paul. Sydney Lawrence -- 02/12/09

    Paul O'Sullivan really is losing the plot. If, as he says, the NBNCo build will create competition why would Telstra need to be split?

    Mr O'Sullivan is correct to be desperate as Senator Minchin will be returned to the Broadband portfolio with his balanced views.

    Also, Mr Abbot will pursue the 43 billion white elephant waste and will be challenging the blackmail and threat by Rudd to eliminate Telstra as an opponent to the Government NBN monopoly.

    Agree Vasso Massonic -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393256)

    Sydney, read Chanticleer, page 64 today. Here's an extract, Courtesy: AFR 02/12/2009

    "We must focus on building Australia's productivity and competitiveness through broadband and making sure we have good solid jobs and a strong social fabric for the next decade and beyond, O'Sullivan says.

    Of course, he is happy to put it as being what's best for the nation but what he's really interested in is what's best for Optus"..... continued

    Greed bros, Sydney and Vasso have agreed, wow... RS -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393261)

    Sydney and Vasso have agreed (pun intended).

    Paul O'Sullivan wants what best for Optus, their employees, shareholders and customers (and possibly Australia?).

    Telstra probably likewise. Whereas...

    Vasso and Sydney want what is best for Vasso and Sydney's TLS shares/wallets and come here 24/7 to make that abundantly clear.

    Telstra Split Anonymous -- 02/12/09

    We as Australians cried out for the sale of government assets – NSW Bank (Westpac) Commonwealth Bank, FREEways, water, ports, GIO, Telstra and soon the electricity, all in the interest of 'competition'. Does the taxpayer still own all the assets that the privatised government departments took with them when they were sold? What happens when competition doesn't go the way that multinationals wanted it to? They pressure the government to make changes that will benefit the multinationals. Sorry guys you need to reap what you sewed. You wanted privatisation, you got it! The split of Telstra is not communism, capitalist dictatorship is a more accurate description. Optus and all other competitors need to stop complaining and start running an efficient and competitive company, after all isn't that what we all wanted, competition?

    @Telstra Split Reality Check -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393264)

    The way the govt is INTERFERING IN THE FREE MARKET IS CRIMINAL.

    NO MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES AT ALL.

    If the govt can first make a case against the power of a company THEN it can feel free to split it, destroy it, merge it or whatever . . . . . ONCE IT HAS REDEEMED ALL THE CURRENT VALUE FOR ITS STAKEHOLDERS.

    IT IS CRIMINAL To scheme a plan to create a company (NBNco) to compete against a company (Telstra ) while still in the process of selling Telstra. ie still collecting a cash payment.

    IT IS CRIMINAL to blackmail a company to sell its assets to the newly created company (NBNco). And compound that injustice by trying to not pay cash but give equity in the NBNco.

    IT IS CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE to embark on a plan to spend $43 B without a cost benefit analysis. In fact galactic size holes in all manner of planing.

    IT IS CRIMINAL, IT IS CALLOUSLY ARROGANT RULING BY DICTATORSHIP DECREE THAT HAS DESTROYED SOCIETY'S THROUGH OUT HISTORY.

    But why not !!

    If you can invade another country under false pretence's ie weapons of mass destruction!

    How can you not expect this minor little transgression.
    And look forward to the next one !

    P.S. my neighbour's house looks pretty good, I think it would be fair if I also moved in. What do you think Kev.

    Perhaps I might start now by putting up graffiti, breaking windows, generally running it down till its unbearable for the current owners and maybe they will sell to me in a year a two . . . . for a lot less . . . . . perhaps I'll pay even less by forcing them to take half the money because I think its only right they keep some equity.

    You corrupt fools in the Govt and the Media.

    Love the free market.. Davo -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393270)

    .. it gave us the current GFC, it has ensured poverty and kept a large pool of slave labour across the planet. It's caused the destruction of once fertile lands and polluted our waterways. All so that 0.001% of the population can control 98% of global resource. I love it when one of the slaves starts protecting his master's asetts!

    PS btw it is not a crime, do some reading??

    Dont change subject's you cant cope with the reality of this simple one Reality Check -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393276)

    Its not the "free" market that gave us the GFC it was the twisted regulations and the lack of oversight or enforcement of existing balanced regulation that caused the GFC.

    I too lament the destruction. Both in the past and the inevitable future.

    P.S. Is it a crime, you either have your eyes shut or your mind is way too small.

    But alas in this dimension crime can be transformed.

    i.e What happens to the crime of Invasion under false prentences when no weapons of mass destruction exist is proven? We move to the dictatorship removal business. Why wasnt this reason good enough in the first place ? Move along nothing to see here.

    TLS Salami Chujillo -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393281)

    $3.44....still quite a long way to go.

    re Dont change - this is the reality fool! Anonymous -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393281)

    Those twisted regulations were there when you bought your shares, duh...

    You must have had your eyes shut, your mind is way too small or you are a plain fool.

    Getting way way way ahead of yourself Reality Check -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393319)

    Thank you for that very enlightening comment.

    Wow, very insightful, you must be well on your way to becoming a lawyer. Using big words like regulations and spelling it correctly.

    They clearly inform the reader that although you have plenty of potential, first you need to go back to basics and learn to differentiate **** from clay ;-)

    Yep chalk up another Optus advocate, this one's a mental giant.

    re Getting way way Anonymous -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393331)

    I am now on my way way way.

    I know that what clay is and thanks to you I definitely know what s**t is ;-)

    Yep chalk up another whose lost all his money gambling on Telstra stock.

    Re @ Telstra split Anonymous -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393270)

    What a hypocritical w**ker you are, Reality Check, haha.

    "The way the govt is interfering in the market is criminal".

    But if the govermnent pays $100 trillion dollars, for Telstra's assets, you won't complain about their involvementt then, hey Dr Evil?

    And Another Optus Mental Giant Reality Check -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393320)

    Yes you Moron.

    It is not criminal if you stupidly, deliberately overpay for something to the specific benefit of the other party. It just makes you a MORON ;-)

    It is Criminal to steal, to blackmail etc.

    Wow your parents really xxxxxx up if you fail to understand that.

    Or what I'm sad to say is actually the case, as you amply demonstrated to the world is, you are extremely intellectually handicaped.

    Just a coincidence? Anonymous -- 02/12/09

    Some interesting coincidences show up in this thread. It may be just a coincidence that the twin clowns sydneylala and vasso ALWAYS seem to turn up next to each other.

    It may also be just a coincidence that all the Telstra trolls have brought their ignorant and mis-spelled bias here spouting remarkably similar views, without a single reference to Beazley and Keating who largely created the current problem.

    But the biggest coincidence of all seems to be the fanboi support for the Telstra FTTN proposal. This would have allowed the incumbent monopolist to cut off access to all other suppliers. On second thoughts, it may not be a coincidence that the shareholder fanbois seem happy to put this ahead of the national interest of 22 million people.

    Coincidence? RS -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393336)

    Oh we both know it isn't a coincidence.

    This entire pro-Telstra nonsense, is being completey run by maybe 4 at the most, burned, snivelling, greedy, disgusting shareholders, who post here under a multitude of different names, as well as the ever trusty anonymous.

    They never have and never will ever say a harsh word against Telstra and will always bag Telstra competitors.

    I think we all know this anyway, but my it's fun, simply playing with their greedy minds, isn't it?

    RS brain very rare. Sydney Lawrence -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393345)

    RS it would be extremely difficult to play games with your mind. Firstly one would need a very powerful electronic microscope to find it. In fact as you have proved many times it is, in all probability, non existant.

    RS brain definitely non existant. Anonymous -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393355)

    Ha ha ha, how very true Syd.

    Oh the irony... RS -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393362)

    just when we thought the children had either grown or woken up.

    How ironic though, talking of no brain - it's spelled existent, lol...

    Existant (or existante) is French, cretin.

    No wonder you bought TLS shares.

    As I said RS -- 02/12/09 (in reply to #320393366)

    Did you comment once as Syd and once again as anonymous Mr. Sydney Existant, lol?...

    Or are there two uncouth, uneducated, greedy, disgusting shareholder, "losers" who misspell exactly the same way.

    As I said, there's only about 4 of them (and this proves it) running the idiot Telstra campaign, thank goodness.

    RS, retard and going backwards. Sydney Lawrence -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393367)

    RS once again you display your intense ignorance . As any educated person would know the phonetic spelling of words, in a world inclusive sense, and as agreed by the world body of international scholars, and as accepted by every nation on Earth, stipulates that words that are spelt in various ways around the world, will be totally acceptable in every form by every community on Earth. Get the dictionary out again, Dumbo.

    True Telstra colours, pitiful... RS -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393391)

    Thank goodness they killed the mother "goose", after goose #1 and #2 - Sydney (and Vasso) hatched, eh?

    Seriously Sydney, will you ever be man enough just to say, ok I erred, instead of making up some idiotic excuse to try to cover the undeniable fact that you are nothing more than a greedy fool?

    Seriously, there's always a crazy excuse when YOU stuff up isn't there?

    As such, you now claim it's actually my fault and accuse me of being a "retard", because YOU can't spell? There's Telstra logic for you, lol.

    But fancy using the unfortunately intellectually challenged, to try to make political points, to support you unending campaign of GREED, by calling another retard!

    Do you have no shame and your greed no end?

    Sydney, the only people who question my sanity are you, you're DISGUSTING GREED CLONES (who ironically epitomise insane) and those who have tried before me, who say, "Why do you bother RS? You're factual and rational correspondence has no chance of penetrating the many layers of ABSOLUTE BLIND ONESIDED, TLS SHAREHOLDER STUPIDITY AND GREED".

    As clearly displayed by you Sydney and Vasso, who are without doubt, the two most disgustingly greedy, poor excuses for human beings, ever to disgrace us with their presence!

    Isn't it is time you two selfish fools started growing old gracefully, instead of disgracefully?

    Christmas Spirit. Sydney Lawrence -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393434)

    RS if it is going to make your Festive Season more enjoyable, "I ERRED". Peace and goodwill on Earth to all.

    @ Christmas RS -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393446)

    There that didn't hurt too much did it?

    As you know, I have already wished you and yours the best, over at NWAT 3.

    re Christmas Spirit Anonymous -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393446)

    Well done Syd, as in true Christmas spirit, you have shown kindness to a poor dumb animal.

    TLS idiot #3 RS -- 03/12/09 (in reply to #320393470)

    Hello Telstra idiot #3.

    There's only 4 so...

    Telstra Neil Smith -- 04/12/09 (in reply to #320393434)

    Most likely RS is exactly what he says, using that name. Probably has Singtel shares, so that is why he is so unhappy. When Telstra was sold to the public, ALL assets of Telstra were paid for by the shareholders, & the government was paid in full for those. The Crudd (sorry Rudd) government wants to change the rules, by, virtually saying that we really didn't want to let the incumbent have a say in what transpires in regard to infrastucture

    Incognito Neil or are you a new... Telstra idiot! RS -- 04/12/09 (in reply to #320393610)

    Yes whatever Neil, but are you one of the 4 idiots (sneakily incognito, lol) or a new idiot?

    You see these people are so desperate, that when someone makes a silly comment like you just did, one straight away goes, ah ha, that sounds suspiciously like Telstra idiot #2.

    You say, using that name RS? Ah Neil, they are initials, not a name, although it may be confusing to you because it does say full name. But you're a comedian too I see!

    That RS gag is normally one Vasso (there's a pun waiting there too, but I'm not so low as to use it, but you are, so come on) uses.

    So one of us has certainly proven he's silly enough to be a shareholder of a Telco and it isn't me. And... It's not too not hard to tell "which Telco" you lost all your money on.

    FYI - the sharholders bought the controlling interest in Telstra in 2006 (before that Telstra was still owned by us, major shareholders - the taxpayer) but the PSTN was vested to Telstra in 1992, 14 years before. Think about it.

    Never mind it is a bit twicky.

    Ever thought about selling the shares and smelling the roses?

    Wake up RS and smell the roses. Sydney Lawrence -- 06/12/09 (in reply to #320393612)

    RS, far be it for me to attempt to give you advice and to try and save you from your delusional and diabolical imbecility concerning the value of Australia's Telstra. However, I feel as a fellow human I must question your financial advice for people to and I quote "sell the shares and smell the roses".

    RS, Telstra has suffered, by a vicious campaign of lies and propaganda, issued by Telstra opponents and those who would gain financially from the wounding of Telstra, but their deceit has been exposed and is now well understood by the Australian people.

    Australians have always had the ability to see and reject untruthful and devious schemes the like we have seen directed at Telstra. Those who have had a free bludge on Telstra have been exposed and I would suggest to you RS that now may be a good time to buy Telstra shares.

    P.S. RS, it may still be a good idea to smell the roses.

    Dear thick and greedy brick wall RS -- 06/12/09 (in reply to #320393733)

    Gee it's like talking to a brick wall, except 10 times thicker and infinitely more GREEDY, trying to explain anything to you 4 Telstra idiots, especially you Sydney . Because I'm sorry to have to have to break the harsh realities to you, but (phonetically speaking) you are a dyckhead.

    Frankly, it's just like being back at greed haven/NWAT again. People comment here and are set upon by 4 irrational, greedy Telstra, "Sol-lunatics and Dr. Phillip-Floppers", lol...

    A G A I N and understand now stupid man, I am here simply because of YOU and your idiot mates, that's it. YOU started the disrespectfulness at NWAT in April and this is the result. There's no devious plan, no financial agenda from me (only YOU). Mine is simply a campaign of one who refuses to be mistreated by lying, greedy (phonetically speaking) dyckheads. One of truthfulness to offset your GREED BASED LIES.

    Far be it from me to give advice you say - you have never stopped giving advice and wrong advice, fillled with lies - I refer to these as SHAREYTALES. That's what they are, tales (lies) made up to try to help the share price.

    Unfortunately or fortunately, lol, you and your (phonetically speaking dyckhead) mates, are too stupid to see you cause more damage than good, so I come to help you do so, lol...Nothing else!

    The more you open that combo big mouth and empty head and with every comment you make, it makes me and I'm sure others, dislike Telstra or increase their dislike more and more. This is ALL because of YOU, well done how much does BOPTUS, KOPLOPTUS pay you, lol?

    Telstra has suffered, pfft. What, being gifted the PSTN and making billions of unearned profits from it? Oh, poor Telstra. Everyone except you 4 completely share driven greedy (phonetically speaking) dyckheads, can see that as sheer lunacy and more Sol shareytales. Can't let go of Sol can you, lol?

    Australians do see untruthfulness and devious schemes, which is why Telstra forever lose in court when it comes to comms (a recent pay TV victory over channel 7 the closest they will ever get) and why there's only YOU and 3 other (phonetically speaking) dyckheads running you GREED campaign of lies.

    Agreed, though and I have have said so previously, as Mr. Thodey is trying to lessen the volatility- Telstra shares will pick up (really they simply have to). That's not a revelation, they are trading at just over 3.5% more than they were at the first IPO over 12 years ago. Which frankly is dismal for such a supposed blue chip investment.

    A real quandary for you, who would have at the time (not attempting to give anyone advice of course) told everyone to buy Telstra, because they have a monopoly and you can't lose.

    So perhaps your's is a campaign not only of greed but also extreme embarrassment (and of course the money you receive from Boptus, for turning people against Telstra, lol).

    You also got the second part right - smell the roses. Now do the rest and you will actually be able to sample the aroma too!

    Dear thick and greedy brick wall Anonymous -- 06/12/09 (in reply to #320393741)

    OMG RS, you're blatant stupidity and arrogance is beyond belief. You really do believe your own publicity don't you. You would have no idea of what a rose smelt like, as your nose has so firmly been stuck up your own butt, that the only thing you ever smell appears foul. I firmly believe that the majority of people who read your tripe, actually pity you.

    Ne win RS -- 06/12/09 (in reply to #320393753)

    Newi n you are one of the dyckheads.

    So tell us about that 14%TLS dividend, just to prove it, go on!

    True RS colours, pitiful.............................. Anonymous -- 06/12/09 (in reply to #320393434)

    Seriously RS, will you ever be man enough to give your ridiculous ego a holiday, instead of making up some idiotic excuse to try to cover the undeniable fact that you are nothing more than a hypocritical, hair brained pain in the butt !

    Newi n again... RS -- 06/12/09 (in reply to #320393750)

    Why do you always reply twice Ne win?

    So tell us again about that 14% div and how you are an Optus customer, who is a mouthyTLS shareholder, lol...I love to embarrass you Mike...

    It's Christmas RS....Time to "Get yourself a Life" Sydney Mike -- 07/12/09 (in reply to #320393772)

    Merry Christmas......you meat head !!!

    Mr anonymous 14% Optuyts customer uses his name, ooh RS -- 07/12/09 (in reply to #320393799)

    Tell us about the 14% dividend, goose, lol...

    Go on...

    Mr anonymous 14% Optuyts customer uses his name, ooh Anonymous -- 07/12/09 (in reply to #320393814)

    Merry Christmas......you meat head !!! Ho Ho Ho !!!

    back on topic please Anonymous -- 07/12/09

    Anyways - back on topic, so to speak.

    Let's hurry up with that inevitable split - times are chang'in and so must our networks.

    An enlightening debate Anonymous -- 07/12/09 (in reply to #320393830)

    "You're a dickhead...no you''re a dickhead...no you're a dickhead...look who's calling me a dickhead, dickhead."
    So these are the mental giants governing Australia's telecommunications indistry.
    How comforting it is for the public to see such passion over who gets to gouge the most out of us.
    Wake up dickheads.

    re An enlightening debate Anonymous -- 07/12/09 (in reply to #320393832)

    Your comment clearly proves that you are nothing more than a dickhead as well. Well done clown.

    I think I agree Mike... RS -- 08/12/09 (in reply to #320393832)

    I must agree firsty with some of what (anonymous #1 - @ An enlightening) is saying. This debate has denigrated and become too silly for words. So granted...

    But seriously, when there's an argument between 2 perceived dickheads and a third party becomes involved, rather than this third party being the wise, diplomat (he obviously believes he is) trying to bring clarity to an otherwise meaningless tussle, surely this involvement actually makes this third party, an equal to, if not greater than, dickhead?

    Seems I actually, for once, agree with Mike on this one...Gee how about that, you are a diplomat after all dickhead #3....

    ................I think I agree Mike... Sydney Mike -- 08/12/09 (in reply to #320393885)

    OMG. hell has not frozen over yet and RS has actually shown agreement toward a post he has attributed to me. Not exactly complimentary I guess, but still an unexpected shock to the system. I guess wonders will never cease.

    I will admit however that your comment that "this debate has denigrated and become too silly for words" is spot on. And so in true Christmas Spirit, I will opt out of all nastiness towards you R.S. for at least until after the Xmas and New Year break. (Ouch, that hurt !)

    And to all the others I have been nasty too, over the past year or so, I hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year.

    Hmmm RS -- 08/12/09 (in reply to #320393982)

    What about this one from the 20/11 Mike?

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Former-One-Tel-directors-ring-up-new-telco/0,130061791,120263420,00.htm#320392201

    Within, I even gave you not one, but "two" accolades, which you have never done for me (even once)! So it seems reciprocal wonders do indeed cease and the alternate hell has frozen over, lol...

    BTW - you didn't actually wish "me" a merry Christmas and safe and happy new year? But as I instigated the well wishes over at NWAT3, to Sydney and Vasso, a couple of weeks back, I will now do likewise to you also Mike.

    Hmmm ..........Hmmm sydney Mike -- 09/12/09 (in reply to #320393993)

    I hope you have a Merry Christmas, and a safe and Happy New Year, RS.

    Mike and RS sitting in a tree. Anonymous -- 11/12/09 (in reply to #320393885)

    Sorry I haven't responded sooner.....I've been on hold listening to the telecommunications muzak top 40.......you bunch of knob jockeys.
    I should have known that the third party diplomat aka dickhead #3 aka CUSTOMER is always the biggest dickhead in any telecommunications debate...thanks for confirming that RS.
    Merry Xmas to all.

    ? RS -- 11/12/09 (in reply to #320394285)

    rightio?

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