Nokia Australia set to compensate angry customers

Nokia Australia has moved to appease angry customers and the NSW Department of Fair Trading after the mobile phone maker admitted to selling defective handsets to consumers.

Following negotiations with the NSW Department of Fair Trading, Nokia has placed advertisements in major newspapers inviting customers who have experiened problems with its 8210 model handset to have them repaired free of charge and be issued with a new 12 month warranty.

The manufacturer must also strengthen its quality assurance for consumers. Nokia has entered a legal agreement with the NSW Department of Fair Trading whereby it must comply with several International Standards Organisations agreements.

Nokia has also agreed to write to Fair Trading agencies in other states, and to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, to advise them of its agreement with the NSW Department of Fair Trading.

The Department of Fair Trading hasn't officially called the Nokia 8210 action a recall, but that was the filename given to the word document sent from the office of NSW Fair Trading Minister John Aqualina this morning.

"No it's not a recall, a recall is where the entire product is recalled, said Wayne Watson, spokesperson for the Department of Fair Trading. "This is merely a situation where Nokia has given an undertaking to us that they will repair any phones that are defective or happen to have that defective part".

Watson conceded that there had been some internal confusion over what to call the action until the Department's investigators stepped in to clarify the matter.

Consumers, wholesalers and phone repairers who handle Nokia products have been outraged at Nokia's tight-lipped approach to the issue prior to its admission that the 8210 screens carried a defective component late in March.

Late last year, angry Nokia customers flooded ZDNet Australia with complaints regarding Nokia handsets, supplying anecdotal evidence supporting allegations that displays carried inherent defects. Later a ZDNet Australia poll that attracted 700 responses indicated that 70 percent of the phones manufactured needed to be repaired.

At the time Nokia, maintained that the high volume of complaints regarding the 8210 handset was due to its dominant position in the market.

"Due to our leading market position, the absolute amount of these may appear higher than smaller brands but we are confident that, in relative terms, Nokia products are as good as any in the industry," it said in a statement in November.

For Nokia, the investigation of the matter is over but it still hasn't supplied an answer to pertinent questions that could give investigators clues as to the extent of the problem.

Nokia maintains that the manufacturing problems are limited to a batch of Nokia 8210s produced between October 2001 and January this year.

"That has been investigated and the particular component with the issue was confined to this batch we've stopped using it and the component supplier is paying for the costs of this," said Nokia spokesperson, Antony Wilson.

However Nokia's position is at odds with facts discovered by the NSW Department of Fair Trading and the repair offer extends to all 8210s ever sold in Australia. Watson said that Fair Trading began its investigation September 4, one month before the batch of 8210s Nokia claims the fault was isolated to was manufactured.

Late last year a former employee of the company alleged that the problem could extend back to models manufactured as long as 5 years ago.

Nokia said that it doesn't know if the supplier who manufactured the faulty component in the Nokia 8210 supplied parts to other phones in its range.

The NSW Department of Fair Trading insists that it has done the best job it can for consumers.

"We've reached an agreement with Nokia whereby all of the consumers who have a difficulty with this phone will get it repaired free of charge -- there's no consumer detriment because of this undertaking."

-What more could we have done?"

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Talkback 19 comments

    I have seen this problem of a fading 'ghostlike' display occur in several 60 series Nokias owned by friends and collegues from 1998 onwards.Anonymous -- 23/04/02

    I have seen this problem of a fading 'ghostlike' display occur in several 60 series Nokias owned by friends and collegues from 1998 onwards.

    Since when does compensation mean getting what you actually paid for after months of inadequate service. Compensation is supposed to make up for the trouble, not simply give you what you should have had ages ago. A friend of mine has already had her phoneAnonymous -- 23/04/02

    Since when does compensation mean getting what you actually paid for after months of inadequate service. Compensation is supposed to make up for the trouble, not simply give you what you should have had ages ago. A friend of mine has already had her phone repaired/replaced twice....

    What about the 8850? I have had this phone for nearly two years and of that time it has suffered various faults for probably 70% of the time. I have been stopped by people in the street who have recognised this phone at the same as thier's and wanted toAnonymous -- 24/04/02

    What about the 8850? I have had this phone for nearly two years and of that time it has suffered various faults for probably 70% of the time. I have been stopped by people in the street who have recognised this phone at the same as thier's and wanted to compare problems and stories as to the rate of success with dealing with Nokia regarding the problems. My employer issued a number of the same type of phones to a number of the staff and almost all have had to be returned for repair.

    My problems include:
    1. Screen failures - Either full or partial. Nokia has already replaced this once and now the phone is suffering the same problems. This appears to be the most common of the faults.
    2. The connector point at the base of the phone for insertion of the hands-free has been repaired / replaced once already. The next day it failed again and hasn't worked now for almost 1 year.
    3. If I am lucky, I can hear every second word the person on the other end is saying. To hear this, I have to hold the casing together.
    4. My latest problem. Intermittently I cannot make, or take phone calls as the person on the other end can hear me, but I cannot hear them at all.

    Nokia have of course been unwilling to admit any problem with the phone. The evidence is there - my phone is not the only one experiencing these problems. When is Nokia going to take responsibility, so that others, like I can confidently undertake their business for which the mobile phone is a valuable and necessary tool.

    My Nokia 8850 has had similar screen problems as some of the other readers have pointed out.Anonymous -- 24/04/02

    My Nokia 8850 has had similar screen problems as some of the other readers have pointed out.

    8850 same problem as 8210 I have an 8850 and my father has an 8210. My father has had to have his screen fixed twice and I have had mine fixed three times. The two phones are internally the same, hence both phones have this problem with the screAnonymous -- 24/04/02

    8850 same problem as 8210

    I have an 8850 and my father has an 8210. My father has had to have his screen fixed twice and I have had mine fixed three times. The two phones are internally the same, hence both phones have this problem with the screen. I wonder whether Nokia will replace my 8850? Hmmm... the new motorola and erricson phones look nice....

    I agree....the 8850 has the same screen problem as the 8210. So when is Nokia going to compensate owners of these phones as well? My phone is two years old and has been back for service three times - twice the screen has been replaced. Anonymous -- 24/04/02

    I agree....the 8850 has the same screen problem as the 8210. So when is Nokia going to compensate owners of these phones as well?

    My phone is two years old and has been back for service three times - twice the screen has been replaced.

    It is totally unacceptable for Nokia to continue to deny an inherent fault when there clearly is.

    my 8850 had the problem, i contacted nokia and then nokia contacted me and it was fix free of charge and mine is over a year out of warentyAnonymous -- 24/04/02

    my 8850 had the problem, i contacted nokia and then nokia contacted me and it was fix free of charge and mine is over a year out of warenty

    Darrell...how did you manage that? I spoke to Nokia the other week and they refused outright to fix it because it was a year out of warranty. Even though it has had the same problem since I bought it.Anonymous -- 24/04/02

    Darrell...how did you manage that? I spoke to Nokia the other week and they refused outright to fix it because it was a year out of warranty. Even though it has had the same problem since I bought it.

    i purchased a 6210 in oct 2001 and have the 3rd handset in for repair again! all different faults and replaced each time with a new handset.....doesn't give me much confidence for when the warranty runs out. All I am after is a reliable phone, not a Anonymous -- 01/05/02

    i purchased a 6210 in oct 2001 and have the 3rd handset in for repair again!
    all different faults and replaced each time with a new handset.....doesn't give me much confidence for when the warranty runs out. All I am after is a reliable phone, not a lemon model that keeps getting replaced every time it stuffs up.

    my 9110i was hanging and had to re-boot the communicator every once in a while. I also heard the 9210 has problems. So for the meantime i bought a 8310 however I could not turn on the shakes, lights and sounds of my 8310. If it happened in Australia its ajoseph balaoing -- 02/05/02

    my 9110i was hanging and had to re-boot the communicator every once in a while. I also heard the 9210 has problems. So for the meantime i bought a 8310 however I could not turn on the shakes, lights and sounds of my 8310. If it happened in Australia its also happening in the Philippines. Nokia quality is eratic. They have good phones and bad phones. All they care about is making money. That is the reason why they offered a promo to look at our phones.

    My 5110 was good and never had problems with it but i was getting tired of it so i bought a 3310. However it was very slow to respond and it hanged most of the time! I have lost confidence in Nokia. Instead of making better handsets they just made the hanMichelle nicole -- 02/05/02

    My 5110 was good and never had problems with it but i was getting tired of it so i bought a 3310. However it was very slow to respond and it hanged most of the time! I have lost confidence in Nokia. Instead of making better handsets they just made the handsets look better. But once you use it then thats when the problem starts. Can someone tell Nokia to start concentrating on hiring quality personnel and not monkeys. We do like the looks on your phone. No doubt about it. Worldclass (only the looks) Problematic nokia phones in the Philippines 9110i, 9210, 3310, 8210, 8310

    How come Nokia in the Philippines has not admitted to selling defective handsets? Almost everyone here knows that the 3310 has a lot of inherent defects and other models as well. Unfortunately if you did not buy the handset from an authorized dealer then Anonymous -- 05/05/02

    How come Nokia in the Philippines has not admitted to selling defective handsets? Almost everyone here knows that the 3310 has a lot of inherent defects and other models as well. Unfortunately if you did not buy the handset from an authorized dealer then you shoulder the fees of updating the software version. This is unfair. The problem came from the phone manufacturer so therefore they should shoulder the cost of repairs whether it be software or hardware! Why release such defective handsets? Why admit selling defective handsets only in australia and india? Are they scared of the Philippine consumer? With the amount of money they are earning they should be able to hire very good programmers and use durable and dependable components!!! The message to NOKIA... either you shape up or ship out!!! Because of the looks it make take Hours or minutes to convince a customer to buy Nokia handsets but with your negative image building up you can lose millions of consumers in a second!!! Finnish people are suppose to be smart!?

    I bought my Nokia 8210 in September at the start of the Sydney Olympics. Just now, the display lights work but the screen is blank. I thought the battery had gone so i recharged it and still nothing. I am glad I came across this site as i strongly believeAnonymous -- 10/05/02

    I bought my Nokia 8210 in September at the start of the Sydney Olympics. Just now, the display lights work but the screen is blank. I thought the battery had gone so i recharged it and still nothing. I am glad I came across this site as i strongly believe it is the same problem. Now i have to chase the problem up with Nokia. Thanks for the useful info!!!

    My screen has just died in the a###.(8210) Two people at work who are the only Nokia owners have had the same problems. If hundreds of others have the same problem, then Nokia has sold faulty goods. It also effects those who rely on their phones for busiAnonymous -- 10/05/02

    My screen has just died in the a###.(8210) Two people at work who are the only Nokia owners have had the same problems. If hundreds of others have the same problem, then Nokia has sold faulty goods. It also effects those who rely on their phones for business/on call etc. Under Australian Law, aren't we entitled to a full money refund/compensation!

    My screen has just died in the a###.(8210) Two people at work who are the only Nokia owners have had the same problems. If hundreds of others have the same problem, then Nokia has sold faulty goods. It also effects those who rely on their phones for busiAnonymous -- 10/05/02

    My screen has just died in the a###.(8210) Two people at work who are the only Nokia owners have had the same problems. If hundreds of others have the same problem, then Nokia has sold faulty goods. It also effects those who rely on their phones for business/on call etc. Under Australian Law, aren't we entitled to a full money refund/compensation!

    My screen has just died in the a###.(8210) Two people at work who are the only Nokia owners have had the same problems. If hundreds of others have the same problem, then Nokia has sold faulty goods. It also effects those who rely on their phones for busiAnonymous -- 10/05/02

    My screen has just died in the a###.(8210) Two people at work who are the only Nokia owners have had the same problems. If hundreds of others have the same problem, then Nokia has sold faulty goods. It also effects those who rely on their phones for business/on call etc. Under Australian Law, aren't we entitled to a full money refund/compensation!

    I have a Nokia 8250 (my 6th nokia) with all the problems that everyone else has. I just went to order a new 8310, so I hope it will be better. The 8250 has been getting worse since late last year, and now it has finally died. It only has 12 months warrantAnonymous -- 07/02/03

    I have a Nokia 8250 (my 6th nokia) with all the problems that everyone else has. I just went to order a new 8310, so I hope it will be better. The 8250 has been getting worse since late last year, and now it has finally died. It only has 12 months warranty, so I have been told "bad luck" I know 3 other people that have the exact same problems, and one of these people also owned a 8210 that was faulty.

    The 3315 also has problems with the screen fading out, I have had mine back twice in 3 weeks and the problem still exists.Anonymous -- 10/05/03

    The 3315 also has problems with the screen fading out, I have had mine back twice in 3 weeks and the problem still exists.

    my nokia sets has networking shortcomings,3310,8310,8850 and LCD problem,can they be solved please?l am a handset technecian,thanksAnonymous -- 26/09/04

    my nokia sets has networking shortcomings,3310,8310,8850 and LCD problem,can they be solved please?l am a handset technecian,thanks

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