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NBN doomed to failure: iiNet

Australia's third-largest ISP iiNet said yesterday that the government's $4.7 billion national broadband network was "doomed to be a monumental failure" despite the fact that iiNet itself is a member of Terria, a consortium bidding to build the network.

Michael Malone
(Credit: iiNet)

The government's process and policy was "fundamentally flawed" according to iiNet managing director Michael Malone, speaking at a hearing for the Senate Select Committee on the network. He believed there was a risk that the network wouldn't be built at all, but that even if it were, the prices would be such that most Australians wouldn't see the benefit of the $4.7 billion spend.

Malone said that the government's good intentions had become lost. "They have misunderstood the need for regulatory policy reform and mishandled the process so badly that it is doomed to failure before it's even begun," he said.

"The first priority and only test of the success for the NBN is that customers must be better off from it being built," Malone said, highlighting the over 12Mbps speeds which many customers are already achieving using iiNet DSLAMs.

"If customers end up paying more for a slower product than they are receiving today why is the Government wasting almost $5 billion of taxpayers' money?"

"This is a once in a life time opportunity to get it right. The NBN must be about delivering better outcomes for Australian consumers and a truly competitive, innovative environment. If it doesn't deliver that it should not be built," Malone concluded.

In response to iiNet's comments, a spokesperson for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said that the government was confident that the process would deliver sound proposals.

"The Government has previously noted the strong response received for participation in the NBN request for proposals and we continue to anticipate that we will receive some very competitive proposals on November 26," they said.

However, Telstra has been threatening to pull out if the government does not rule out the inclusion of structural separation in the process. At its investor day yesterday, the telco bemoaned the lack of regulatory certainty, with CEO Sol Trujillo saying that Telstra chairman Donald McGauchie had sent a formal letter to the federal broadband department months ago requesting clarification on the situation.

Sol Trujillo at the investor day
(Credit: Suzanne Tindal/ZDNet.com.au)

"We think that we could do this well, we think that we could meet the timeline kind of constraints," he said. "But it's got to be consistent with how we operate, and changing assumptions of how we operate throws away any sense of timing, any sense of economics, any sense of do-ability. So all we're saying is look, before we bid, we have to have clarity on this, because otherwise we don't know how to bid."

There has been no formal reply, Trujillo said. "Donald McGauchie sent the letter and would like to get a letter of clarification back that specifies it," he said.

Shadow Communications Minister Nick Minchin jumped on iiNet's comments, saying Labor should abandon the national broadband network effort and instead invest in underserved areas while leaving the industry to continue its competition in metro areas.

The sentiments echoed Minchin's earlier comments on the matter during a Sydney conference this week.

"On our side of politics we do actually have much more faith in the free market and the private sector and believe taxpayers funds should be carefully targeted at areas of most critical need," he said.

"We also believe that government should be very wary of investing taxpayer's money in business ventures. That's why we got out of most of the businesses the federal government was in," he said.

Minchin called the national broadband network a simple big bang solution which he thought was only an election gimmick. "Labor based this broadband promise on just a glib election promise rather than basing it on any sound fundamental robust and realistic public policy approach," he said.

"In the lead up to the election, the government's approach was just vague and simplistic and frankly purely populist... I think it ignored reality, they provided very scant detail ... As someone who has been involved in election processes in this country for 30 years, I know when something is based on focus groups of swinging voters and that's exactly what Labor delivered," he said.

Talkback 58 comments

    AT last! Sydney Lawrence -- 07/11/08

    Terria has been exposed as the sham it is! even there own members bemoan how woeful this state of affairs has become! The only people who stand to benifit from this are kaboptus which have actively seeked to secure regulatroy uncertaininty, and to discourage investment! and to split up a great aussie icon all so they can continue there parasitic ride!

    At last! Simon -- 07/11/08 (in reply to #320115750)

    What rubbish you write, how about leaving the weird propaganda out and discuss the article.

    It's great to hear Malone talking sense. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and the regulatory environment in this country is a basket case. Structural separation of Telstra is a must if this country is to move forward. The NBN must be operated by a pure wholesaler without the murky presence of retail pressure. Telstra is consistent in taking advantage of their position and demonstrating their lack of corporate ethics. If Telstra were doing their job, there would be no need of the NBN deal in the first place.
    The NBN is about delivering better outcomes for all Australians.

    Very agree to Simon Anonymous -- 07/11/08 (in reply to #320115755)

    Telstra, a company without corporate ethics. Howard government has done wrong in privatising T$, hopefully Rudd won't further step on that track.

    $8 dollar shelf company Anonymous -- 07/11/08 (in reply to #320115750)

    I would rather support Telstra than an $8 dollar shelf company like "Tierra".

    What a joke and Sydney is right on the money with his astute comments.

    DR Phil was right...Separation was an idea in the 80's and the Government passed up the opportunity when sold to 1.4 million shareholders!!!

    Kaboptus cactus perhaps. Sydney Lawrence -- 07/11/08 (in reply to #320115750)

    While I do not disagree with the content of the above writings under my name I was not the Poster.
    Kaboptus (LOL) is not a word I have used.

    You never cease to amaze me Akira Doe -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115750)

    You have got to be kidding "Sydney", you never cease to amaze me, or should I say the persona created by the wonderful spin doctors at Telstra never ceases to amaze me...

    I hope Telstra don't win, I hope Terria don't win, this whole thing is a joke that's just going to leave us (the Australian people, sorry I had to actually state that but with so many Telstra fans/paid posts only thinking about the shareholders and not the regular Australian people who this network should be built for if at all, I thought that needed qualifying) in a worse situation that we're already in with our Broadband.

    No amount of spin from the many nameless posters under the guise of "Sydney Lawrence" is going to make anyone forget Telstra's heavy handed ransom tactics with the lead up to the awarding of the tender...

    Think about it, if this is how Telstra is behaving before they're given full control and a re-established monopoly, what will happen when they actually get it...

    Talk about bye bye competition and growth in Broadband!!

    You talk so much s__ sydney Hilarious -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115750)

    That's it's almost impossible to determine whether your posts are just sarcastic comedy gold, or you actaully believe the drivel you write.

    Absolute waste of money Joe C -- 07/11/08

    Malone has hit the nail on the head. It seems every technically literate person in Australia has come to the same conclusion. The only ones yet to grasp it are the politicians. If the government has $5B from the future fund burning a hole in its pocket I'm sure there are more useful things it could be used on, rather than installing a slower-than-current network and locking Australians into decades of higher prices.

    Broadband speeds Richard Muir Wilson -- 10/11/08 (in reply to #320115761)

    I would love to know how to crack onto some good broadband speed. Living in a town of 4500 people in Tasmania anything would be an improvement on the 8kbps I get between 5:30pm and 10:30 each evening.
    Wholesaling broadband has to be freed up. I was promised VOIP speed by a new provider, but my old dial up was quicker.

    MHM Anonymous -- 07/11/08

    well i agree with Michael's comment to a degree, but something needs to be done for all the people living in metro areas who cannot receive broadband. its all well and good saying some are achieving faster than 12 Mbit but some are stuck on 28.8K dial up or unreliable wireless. If telstra wins the tender it will be over priced if nothing is done then thousands of people including myself are stuck with no broadband. Either way things look grim

    The impact is more than metropolitan Anonymous -- 07/11/08 (in reply to #320115769)

    Don't forget a lot of rural areas still suffer. There is no chance for T$ to amend these broadband-blind holes.

    MHM Tom -- 07/11/08 (in reply to #320115776)

    Yeah i forgot to mention rural areas but i was just highlighting the fact that if people living in metro areas cannot get good broadband then something is really needs to be done. Australia cannot afford to use $s as an excuse anymore.

    Lets move on. Sydney Lawrence -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115782)

    Decision time draws close for NBN and it is time for those with primary focus on self serving agenda's to forget greed and focus on need.

    The Australian people need a NBN. The only company who can provide the NBN build is Telstra. Yes the Government could do it but I would think they would be reluctant to so do.

    The argument that a Telstra build would cause costs to be higher than others is a fabrication. Whoever builds will require a satisfactory return on their investment.

    It is time to admit that Terrier has zip hope of attaining finance. Their hope of duping the Australian Government to separate and damage Telstra to advantage themselves is a failure.

    I ask Prime Minister Rudd, Senator Conroy and Minister Tanner to avoid disaster for the Australian taxpayer and award the NBN to Telstra with the proviso that costs to consumers be kept as low as possible.

    Metro suck on dial up or wireless Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115769)

    One of the reasons many metro people are stuck on dial up or unreliable wireless is because Tel$tra wanted to make more bucks by making people use wireless and quietly discontinuing ADSL Annex L. see http://www.itwire.com/content/view/13983/1095

    Telstra doesn't have to be broken up, they just cannot be allowed to build the NBN. We rue the day this stupid idiotic government canned the OPEL deal which would have seen services being delivered NOW and competition in backhaul to allow further retail competition.

    Look at the Tel$tra antics in pricing of backhaul from exchanges. That monopoly and market abuse (remember when Sol promised 50% profit margins? - about 5 times the industry norm) prevents more ISP's investing in DSLAMS that can service larger areas without Tel$tra's artificial line noise limits.

    Tel$tra is the reason broadband is so far behind in Australia. The Likes of Sydney Lawrence can eat my shorts - skid marks first.

    This government failed the most basic public policy development phase - identifying options for how to solve the problem rather than just take on a Tel$tra initiative and make it sound like a solution for Australia's broadband woes.

    Thanks but no thanks. Sydney Lawrence -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115826)

    Anon I decline the offer to "eat your shorts" as I can understand that as Telstra continues, through honest competition, to batter opponents into submission your fear will cause more than skid-marks to appear.

    Good idea Charles Gregory -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115829)

    Telstra to be involved in honest competition - what a great idea! When are they going to start?

    "True Competition" Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115833)

    Like in "mobiles" when you guy's like OPTUS/SINGTEL start investing for a change instead of leaving it up to Telstra to invest!!

    Good idea... Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115833)

    Well to be fair, wouldn't the mobiles arena be an example? For a while there Optus was dominant, until Telstra pulled its finger out and unleashed the Next G Network.

    Honest Competition? Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115829)

    I was talking with one of the regional managers when our company was a customer of telstra, and he was talking about how Telstra had their own CIA - Company Intel Agency!! He described this department as one which spends its time secretly gathering confidential intel on other companies......... Honest competition you say. Pity the fool.

    There is such a thing as knowing your competition, but they go much furhter than that.

    Telstras CIA Paul -- 11/11/08 (in reply to #320115834)

    Hi mate, what a stupid comment. Almost every large business in the world would have a group dedicated to watching its competitors.

    If you don't know what everyone else is doing, then you have no idea where you stand. Information is one of the most critical assets to any business, so lets not be stupid and pretend that Telstra has a "covert ops" department, or anything any different to any other large company in the world.

    re OPELess Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115826)

    move on mate....CONROY made the right decision..lol

    OPELless Terry -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115830)

    That is highly debatable at this point. With the current economic climate, falling $, and the need to deliver a solution that will make a ROI, it's hard to imagine that a serious viable solution could be obtained. What OPEL (if it had been built) would have done would be to provide a workable delivery solution that could be built upon in the future that would have covered the fair bulk of rural Australia, who are after all a primary goal in this task. Not to mention that had OPEL gone ahead it would already be in place, and it would have been done at a fraction of the cost to the government that the NBN will.

    Yes I know that OPEL is dead and buired, but the way things are going to the government funded NBN could (and probably should) be dead and buried as well.

    In the Nations Interests Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115832)

    What a joke!! Your comments reflect Michael Egans from Tierra in that "we dont care if we win the NBN"!!

    Sydney Lawrence is right..you guys are only there to stall progress. Problem is you are holding up Telstra & the Nation waits!!

    Stop playing games Terria this is getting serious...Kevin Rudd are you listening??

    You're an idiot You're a gutless dog -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115836)

    5BN of Tax Payers money pissed down the drain to prop up Telstra?

    In the middle of a recession, when the government is only barely going to make a Budget surplus?

    You think rollout out a MORE EXPENSE and SLOWER network is "in the nations interests".

    You mean Telstra Shareholders interests right?

    **** off Troll.

    roll over, beg, mikey says - lmfao Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115838)

    lmfao, talking about gutless dogs, but brain dead gutless dogs, all of you. not so long ago you were saying we need a terria built, nbn, asap. now that terria have fallen apart, which any person with a brain (so counts most of you out) knew would happen because they were never serious and it stood out like dogs bollocks, like the brainless sheep you are, you follow, baa, all changing your tunes to agree, we no longer need an nbn. plus now one of the few remaining *solid as a rock* terria members is throwing out stupid staged propaganda to ensure they don't win, talk about a bunch of easily lead ***king, ***kheads. and no im not a telstra fanboy either, ***k them too. but you ***king clowns are priceless in how stupid you actually are. Prize your hands from your joysticks for a moment and wake up to reality. geek morons.

    Contribute or leave? Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115839)

    Still using the joystick and geek lines? I'd suggest some new material.

    @contribute ned kelly -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115844)

    no problem, just prize your hand from your joystick as requested geek, and I will gladly supply new material just for you sweety, easy.

    talking of idiots Anonymous -- 11/11/08 (in reply to #320115838)

    yes, because everyone knows fiber is slower than copper. Moron.

    Who's Interest? Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115836)

    How is Terria, (not Tierra) holding up the NBN process? There are half a dozen bid being submitted, all of which will be looked at by the panel. As you clearly believe that only Telstra can build, I eagerly await your excuse when Telstra refuses to build the NBN according to Government regulation, after all, the NBN is for the people, not Telstra shareholders. Feel free to respond with an intelligent answer.

    Who's Interest?. Australia's of course Anon. Sydney Lawrence -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115843)

    Are you for real Anon or are you in fantasy-land? Whoever builds the NBN will want a fair ROI for their shareholders. In fact the reason Terria wont get finance is they have told all that they don't want Terria to make a reasonable ROI but a very small one. Investors don't want to hear that.

    How much? Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115845)

    So you're proposing higher broadband prices, for our nation?

    re higher prices Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115849)

    You guys are a joke!! It always comes down as to who can do it for the dirtiest & cheapest!!

    I rather pay more for a quality reliable service from Telstra as opposed to the products supplied by CRAPTUS ie theit crap mobile network!!

    Confused? Anonymous -- 08/11/08 (in reply to #320115851)

    We are discussing a fixed line network, wireless is irrelevant. Today the competition (Exetel, TPG, Internode, aanet, iinet ect) offer consumers great Internet access and quotas at great prices. Why on Earth would you want that to end?

    Get what you pay for. Sydney Lawrence -- 10/11/08 (in reply to #320115849)

    Anon could you realistically expect NBN, after a $20b. investment, to be marketed without an increase in price?

    @whos interest ned kelly -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115843)

    you know you actually said something with meaning, but it needs to be looked at in a reverse context.

    you said the nbn is for the people not telstra shareholders (and i'm not one). agreed, you are 100% right, go to the top of the class (but don't give yourself too much credit just yet, seems the rest of the terria class are all pretty ***king dumb).

    but if telstra (also think, aapt, transact, soul) as a private company aren't happy with the stipulations for building the nbn "for the people", then why would they want to involve themselves? It's commonsense, if the figures don't add up, dont invest., simple. Sorry to generalise but i often mention geeks with no idea of anything but pc/mac, up/donwload and speed. here's a classic example. why invest if the terms aren't right? please understand, i'm not sticking up for telstra, per se`, its the same for anyone, again like aapt, soul etc. obviously they weren't happy either.

    if you had $100K (chicken feed to you i'm sure) to deposit in the bank and were expecting 5-6% return, but were told by the bank ,we'll give you 1%, would you say, oh, ok then! or would you invest elsewhere? the terms have to be right, surely that commonsense? again i'm not supporting telatra or just giving it to terria, becasue i'm a fanboy, its the same for everyone.

    as for terria holding us back, early on as the g9 they said we "want to win the nbn and be a credible alterntive to telstra". egan comes onboard they become terria and he says we aren't all that fussed on building/running the nbn. g9 now becomes g5 (with a merger and 3 desertions) which brings us to the present with terria's #2 company now saying nbn is doomed. now go back to when they were the g9 saying we want to be the alternative to telstra and win and ask yourself, are they serious? if you answer yes, welcome to reality. if you answer no, please go back into hibernation again.

    fyi, since the sarcasm seems to have gone over your head. i believe tierra is a play on words, because tierra is an artificial, mutating computer simulation.

    @@whos interest. oops :- ) ned kelly -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115890)

    please reverse the *yes and no* above, sorry. or just leave it and put **it on me, either way is cool.

    because i know what some of you are like, ignore the substance of the comment and hone in on a typo. so whatever.

    cheers ned

    true but depressing, Ol' Red -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115895)

    so to summarise the above comment (since most pro-telstra/anti-telstra) will stop reading when they see a balanced point of view... telstra, wont invest in the NBN unless they see a good chance to **** r**e australia back to the stone age, but Terria is so discombobulated that no bank will lend them the money to build it... the governments job in this stop telstra's greed and to stop a dodgy terria getting the build... and there not going to build it themselves because government debt is considered bad now-adays... you know, I think this whole NBN bid is a good argument against the un-restrained process's of capitalism, we need a little more socialism and a little less corporate (im not talking going commi if any1 jumps to conclusion, just a government thats not afraid to own infrastructure and run it for australia, not profit)

    In the Nations Interests Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320115836)

    Yes What a joke but who is laughing the only winers here are tel$tra and the Labor party. After all whever happens tel$tra will win because they will charge like wounded bulls the others to use its ifrastructure and it will be too costy for the average Australian to use the 12mbs

    Terria - My halucinations are clouding my delusions Anonymous -- 08/11/08

    I just love Malone " The NBN will be a monumental failure", he's my 2nd favorite Terria member (left so far) next to Egan " I dont care who builds the nbn . . " and "the first thing I'll do if we win is call Telstra" !

    Terria - "can we please have Telstra as an anchor tenant".

    I love the optus / terria morons, they are such a laugh.

    Yeah Terria, Yeah Communism, Yeah Delusions, Yeah free broadband, Yeah free Ferrari's.

    We Optus only want Telstra to start selling comms to all australian consumers for much less.

    We're not interested in an opportunity to sell to them ouselves.

    We're not interested in profits for ourselves.

    We're not motivated by our failure to compete in the market against Telstra in Mobile's, Pay TV, Fixed wire etc.

    We have no self interest at all, we are simply a ultruistic benevolent charity who cares deeply that all australians pay for services from Telstra at Telstra's loss !!

    Alas the farce is coming to an end !

    Telstra will compete and win against Optus with or without the NBN.

    Thanks for the delay Optus you saved Telstra big time.

    YES WE CAN. Sydney Lawrence -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115866)

    For some time we have seen Telstra opponents play a cunning devious game of cloud the issues, call for separation of Telstra and a demand for no competition to be allowed for their NBN proposal.

    The Terria sham is now becoming apparent to Australians with the cold hard fact that Terria must reveal their financial capabilities for perusal of all. Whoever builds the NBN will require a fair return on that investment.

    I am persuaded and have confidence that Australia's Rudd Government with direction from Senator Conroy and the financial approval of Minister Tanner in co-operation with Telstra will deliver NBN for Australia in spades.

    Optus delay tactics Anonymous -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115866)

    Hey when are these guys ging to cut a deal with Telstra...all this delay tactics is holding back broadband!!

    or get smart telstra not really -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115885)

    ha, telstra dont build... *cow dung* service stream do the buidling, tesltra doesnt do anything now, so much of its contracted out they contracted out the design of it, they contracted out the legal team to deal with it, they most probably will contract out the build of it the rate there shedding staff, (P.S. I'm including paying an external company to do it under the word contracted out, just to clear up nitpicking)... what exactly, if anything is tesltra themselves doing? other than been a wallet... (not a very proud posistion)

    I wish people would smarten up when they say ooo telstra will build it, no! telstra will PROFIT from it, service stream and what eva other contractors are used will build it, telstra does squat for australia anymore,

    1+1=2. Sydney Lawrence -- 09/11/08 (in reply to #320115896)

    For some time people have complained that Telstra should lower charges. Face the fact folks that to provide a first class service charges must reflect a fair return on investment.

    We will see those smaller ISP's who have kept costs artificially low ( mainly through little investment) start to become financially troubled and be forced to raise prices or go under.

    Exetel is the latest to be troubled by their theory that services can be provided much cheaper than Telstra. Who could expect NBN charges to remain at present levels with the required 20B dollar investment for the build.

    re "or get smart" paul -- 11/11/08 (in reply to #320115896)

    Hi "telstra not really". Im sorry to break the delusion, but service stream will be building it whilst working and getting paid for it by guess who... "telstra" So by proxy, the build is done by them, and I bet Service stream etc will make a huge whallop of cash out of the contracts too.

    NBN - It has to be! Anonymous -- 09/11/08

    Hold on!
    There seems to be a rising opinion that all Australians have ready access to some form of broadband for their small business (own domain name, for example) and home.
    WRONG!

    Telstra seems to be totally disinterested in all those poor Telstra "pair gain"/RIM/Mux victims of its own policies, who are stuck with speeds of around 35 Kbits/sec via dial-up!! Yes - just be a few Kms from the exchange and Bingo! You are a Blount to Trujillo victim! and they don't care...it isn't profitable enough to fix their own problem...

    The vital role for Senator Conroy, and any government that aims to serve its people, is FIRST AND FOREMOST, in line with the regional telecoms enquiry report, to get any form or reasonable broadband to those WHO DO NOT HAVE IT! and they are not in the far far regions of Australia - just in the suburbs, developing areas of Adelaide, South East Queensland, Perth and elsewhere....

    After all - try patching your PC software and keeping an antivirus package up to date at those dial-up/pair-gain speeds!

    Broadband availability is now a matter of SECURITY!

    A Change of NBN Strategy is Required Anonymous -- 10/11/08

    It is true that it is no point awarding a contract if the NBN does not result in greater availability, faster speed and lower costs for consumers. Singapore's tender delivers a 1 GB link for only S$15 per month, this is not likely to be delivered by any of the current bidders. Maybe, the A$4.7 billion should be kept in the bank, and the interest used to build broadband on a project basis. This can then create the required competition for better broadband at affordable prices.

    Cheaper cant happen. Sydney Lawrence -- 11/11/08 (in reply to #320115967)

    Anonymous how could it be possible that after a spend of 10 or 20 billion dollars that there be no increase in service charges?

    Stop the silly dreams, let Telstra build a world class NBN and be happy. Singapore being about the size of Brisbane does not present the problems or cost for their cable build as does Australia.

    Yeah! Sir Diggory! -- 11/11/08 (in reply to #320116014)

    Cheap broadband... pffft outrageous, only us, the upper crust of society should be able to afford it, I dont want you lower income ppls cluttering up my internets! i should have my butler and maid confiscate your computer if it werent already so dodgy... I fully support telstra charging up the wazoo for internet, that way we can seperate the has and the has-nots even further!! haw haw (nasally sophisticated laughter)

    Jeez syd maybe you should take your elitist view on society and go live in a gated community somewhere in america...

    cheap broadband Paul -- 19/11/08 (in reply to #320116072)

    Perhaps you should be appealing to your government to subsidise the costs for everyone instead of bitching at sydney for being realistic.

    Just my two cents.

    NBN cost Anonymous -- 19/11/08 (in reply to #320116539)

    I have every expectation that the NBN deliver lower pricing on broadband services.

    In the past, Telstra based major infrastructure projects on a ROI period of 15 years not 5. Basing your ROI on such a short term, as well as expecting a return of 18%, demonstrates a short term gouging mindset with no long term vision of a sustainable business. This is a symptom of CEOs who engineer bonus payments at the expense of business sustainability (note the global financial crisis)

    Maybe the Banks should follow suit and go for a 18% margin too? I mean, paying 22% interest on your mortgage is only fair.

    @nbn cost Anonymous -- 23/11/08 (in reply to #320116545)

    you probably do pay 18% on your credit card and dont realize it.

    yeah but, joe -- 25/11/08 (in reply to #320116894)

    i dont see any of us having a credit card debt of 15 billion

    well... Sir Diggory! -- 19/11/08 (in reply to #320116539)

    It'll only be more expensive because sol needs his millions of bonuses, the shareholders all want as much as they can humanely get (probably millions to).. i dont know the figure but optus made 125 million in 3 months, and im sure telstra would of made more than that... you know, if sol and shareholders took a little less pie say you know, 75million every 3 months.. that makes overall internet 200 million cheaper a year for aust.... so Paul while i agree, syd is been realistic, I'm been optimistic that coporate greed wont ride over the little ppl in the name of a bigger pie

    Telstra is the only one who can do it... Anonymous -- 21/03/09

    As a telstra optic fibre tech (contractor) its easy to see that the only ones that will be able to pull off such a project would be telstra. They have all the infrastructure and manpower behind them, operating one of the best comms networks in the entire world. Why should telstra have to share their network/infrastructure with any other companies? The thought is just ridiculous that telstra should be locked out of bidding for the contract but then have to turn around and completely support the winning bidder. Telstras network was the best in the world, and since all this competition bullshit and everyone jumping on board to make money by simply reselling bandwidth it has simply come at a cost of network integrity and will ultimately hurt the consumer. Without Telstra the NBN is doomed to fail and i sure hope it does because when Acacia or whoever runs out of money then hopefully telstra come in and buy the network for $1 and complete it.

    no...just no Anonymous -- 21/04/09

    Why should we pay more for this system? we have been ripped off since the 'net was brought to Australia, because weve got no choice we must flow our cash into these companies. People from other 1st world countries are shocked to hear the prices we pay for our internet, the speeds and limited use. Shouldnt this be a gift for the years of scamming we have endured?

    If only Telstra could.... Anonymous -- 30/07/09

    The fundamental point made by Anonymous "Telstra is the only one who could do it..." probably holds true as an optic fibre tech who would know more about the infrasructure and capability than ignoramus like myself. The real issues that the Average Joe like me have, is the willingness of Telstra to move with the times and with people's requirements and actually provide current infrastructure so it can be used to its potential. Why in 2009 are Telstra still laying pair gain in new estates? There is no opportunity to get broadband as a result for me or the rest of my neighbours. In 2009 this happens!!! it defies logic other than cost saving for Telstra and extortion to force Average Joe to adopt underperforming and exorbitant wireless broad plans - Telstra may be the one who could only address the NBN, but history shows as fact that they have no intention nor competence in execution of availing such a service to its potential to us. To put in Telstra's hands would be nothing short of a disaster.

    You are an idiot! Anonymous -- 30/07/09 (in reply to #320167627)

    We already have an NBN. Check out what Telstra is doing with the catholic schools!

    What was that . .. What did you say !
    Telstra is building a new National Broadband Network . . . . . for $146 M.

    How can this be?
    Reminds of that Simpson's episode when the natives introduced to gambling ask, what is this magic, how can Ace be 1 annnd 11 ?

    Conroy and Rudd are big fools with big ego's who got seriously sucked in by Optus/Terria.

    This story would be so funny if it was'nt so serious in jeopardising our liberty's and laws.

    enter the ultimate idiot Anonymous -- 30/07/09 (in reply to #320167638)

    talking about idiots, here's reality check.

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