G9 lodges fibre proposal with ACCC

update A group of Telstra's rivals known as the G9 today formally lodged their draft proposal for a nationwide fibre broadband network with the competition regulator.

Telcos involved in the group include AAPT, iiNet, Internode, Macquarie Telecom, Optus, PowerTel, Primus, Soul and TransACT.

The proposal -- known as a Special Access Undertaking (SAU) -- forms a significant step towards getting regulatory and government approval to build the network, which would initially reach some four million households and businesses, according to a statement issued this afternoon by the group.

A spokesperson for the group declined to provide a copy of the SAU for publication.

Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan is believed to have been discussing the G9's plan -- and also a rival proposal from Telstra -- for some weeks. The Australian Labor Party has also promised AU$4.7 billion of taxpayer money towards the construction of such a network if it won the federal election scheduled for later this year.

However, the statement said the G9's proposal did not rely on government money -- instead being financed through the private sector. The G9 network would provide wholesale access to the network at "an average price" of between AU$21 and AU$24 per month.

"This proposal is in stark contrast to Telstra's plan. Our proposal offers Australia fair and reasonable pricing and promotes competition, which will drive greater broadband choices for consumers," Optus chief executive Paul O'Sullivan said in the statement. "Importantly, each access seeker will have the ability to differentiate their product and service offering."

Primus chief executive Ravi Bhatia said the G9's focus would now be on working with the federal government to "fine tune the regulatory arrangements" to support the proposal, while the ACCC considered the draft proposal and provided feedback. The regulator is also expected to eventually invite public comment on the proposal.

However, the G9 proposal still relies on using and replacing portions of Telstra's existing copper network.

A Telstra spokesperson said the proposal was "just more paper to add to the press release mountain" the G9 had produced since they initially announced the plan last year. "Ask to see maps and engineering plans (which ideally should come before pricing, and you won't get anything," they added.

"On top of that the price given to the ACCC today is even more nonsensical because they haven't factored in how much they would compensate Telstra for stealing its network, clearly they expect to be given it for free."

What is the G9 proposal?
According to the group's statement today, as well as its previous comments, the G9 proposal would see optical fibre cables extended out from telephone exchanges to neighbourhood cabinets, in a technique dubbed "fibre to the node".

The rollout would invalidate substantial amounts of existing infrastructure currently owned by the G9, in addition to some portions of Telstra's existing copper network. ADSL2+ -- and maybe eventually the higher speed VDSL -- technology would complete the last leg over Telstra's copper network between the cabinets and buildings such as homes and businesses.

While the network would initially focus on capital cities, it would progressively be rolled out to densely populated regional centres such as Newcastle, Townsville and Ballarat. Areas currently not served by exchange-based broadband infrastructure (ADSL) would be a priority. Speeds of up to 24Mbps would be provided.

To own the network, the G9 would set up a new company Fibre Access Network Operating Company (FANOC). "Both access seekers and institutional investors would have an opportunity to invest in FANOC, but importantly, no single carrier will be allowed to control it," the group said in its statement.

"As the network owner, FANOC would not provide retail telecommunications services. Its objective would be to deliver high-quality and cost-effective wholesale services to access seekers who will then compete in downstream markets."

The group's statement said the proposal included obligations on FANOC to ensure the timing and scheduling of its rollout took into account the interests of parties whose infrastructure would be affected.

FANOC would establish a group -- dubbed SpeedReach -- that would operate and manage the network.

"No individual carrier will control SpeedReach, and all access seekers will be entitled to membership of SpeedReach, including Telstra," wrote the G9. "Speedreach will have both access seeker-appointed and independent directors and managers tasked with optomising the use of the fibre to the node network."

The G9's proposal would see access prices to the network set initially and then re-visited every three years, including a price cap from the second period of three years. "The price setting formula will ensure that FANOC can recover its costs (including a cost of capital) but no more than its costs," said the G9.

The G9 are proposing a 12-year agreement with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commision, which the group said would be sufficient to provide investors with long-term certainty.

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Talkback 24 comments

    NOW WE ARE TALKING Anonymous -- 20/04/07

    If this thing got the go-ahead, you can look forward to:

    a) Affordable Broadband
    b) Faster Broadband
    ... and more importantly ...
    c) No more fraudband! No more garbage 256kb CRAP that Telstra sells at a ridiculous price.

    G9 Crap Anonymous -- 21/04/07 (in reply to #320078155)

    It's all smoke and mirrors, it depends on stealing assets from telstra...what a desperate attempt to influence the network update.

    The network is not theirs to take or upgrade, its like someone coming to rebuild your house without consent.

    It just aint going to happen....

    Dreams and phantasies. Sydney Lawrence -- 21/04/07 (in reply to #320078185)

    Dream on dream on G9 Team sillyiest idea you've ever seen. Apologies to Mr. Johnny Cash. Please Mr. Howard dismiss this garbage and allow Telstra to build Australia a world class network. How G9 can imagine they will con Australians with this unworkable proposal defies logic. To quote a famous Aussie phrase "tell em their dreaming".

    T4 Open Access -- 21/04/07 (in reply to #320078190)

    It's obvious you're a supporter from the condescending websit NWAT.

    "How G9 can imagine they will con Australians with this unworkable proposal defies logic." - unworkable, show us the unworkable and try to use some facts in your rebuttal.

    G9's draft is on the table. Try and show us any Telstra document has been put on the table then we can debate.

    Truth and Facts. Sydney Lawrence -- 21/04/07 (in reply to #320078195)

    Open Access, thank you for your measured response. Fact one, the G9 proposal isn't a goer (G9 admits) if Telstra does not agree to take part, which is most unlikely. End of story.

    how about all the truth & fatcs open access -- 21/04/07 (in reply to #320078196)

    "if Telstra does not agree to take part, which is most unlikely. End of story." - Well that's good to see Telstra will do a deal ... er ... start of story :p

    If Telstra doesn't agree to take part, which is most likely since they cannot maintain a monopolist network that kills off competition, then the fed government will do a deal to benefit 20 milion Australians rather then 1.6 million Telstra share holders/offshore share holders - Australia wins and monopolistic xenophobic practices diluted. Knowing T3 is off the agenda and the fed government now has its T3 money they wont be favoring monopolistic practices.

    Mr Lawrence Rex Alfie Lee -- 23/04/07 (in reply to #320078190)

    So far sir, Telstra have provided nothing properly. What about Telstra today makes you believe that they will ever provide a service that is reputable, trustworthy or usable? They charge a fortune for crap speeds now.

    Your infamous boss, Mr Sol (Sun shines out of his butt) Trujillo, decimated 2 other telecommunications operations before he came here. He did it purposely & continues to do the same for us. If you don't see it, you're a fool. If you do & you stand by it, you're a fraud & un-Australian.

    Our ways have never been to do the job poorly. That's America's way & Trujillo is doing an American-type service here in Oz. He should be thrown out of the job. Ziggy was little better but WAS a little better.

    Telstra's hardware belongs to everyone because we've all paid for it with our taxes. Your little Gov't swindle, involving Johnnie (never tells a lie) Howard, which makes the accounts look very nice indeed are almost completely based on the sale of Telstra & new taxes. Ever thought of that?

    I hope G9 makes it & gets use of Telstra's lines for zip because they belong to everyone, not just you mate!

    Rational thinking. Sydney Lawrence. -- 24/04/07 (in reply to #320078284)

    Rex Alphie Lee... you are very committed to your beliefs concerning Telstra which, to me, do seem a little difficult to understand. Firstly your thoughts that Telstra's equipment is owned by anyone but Telstra is delusional. Perhaps you do not recall but the Australian Government sold Telstra, in it's entirity to the public a short time ago in an operation called T3. Telstra is now owned by Shareholders (mostly Australians) and the ownership is legal and binding. It is true that these assets may be able to be purchased by an interested Party ( I suppose everything is for sale at a price) but I would doubt that even the Federal Government would have the capacity, or would want, to purchase them. Your cutting remarks referring to Mr. Sol Trujillo say more about yourself than Sol and should be rethought. Recently in Australia Mr. Rupert Murdoch when asked why he was meeting with Sol replied " My meetings with Sol are basically educational for me in the whole matter of worldwide Telcos" (The Australian June 29, 2006). I ask why would the Sun God, Australia's greatest businessman, winner of World Businessman of the Century speak so of Sol if, as in your estimation he has such a poor record. As for G9 it is unthinkable that the ACCC would allow it to proceed when what it proposes is a monopolistic cartel as demonstrated by it's request that Telstra not be allowed to build an opposing network thereby creating competition. I would like to see Telstra build fibre to the home, remove all the copper cables to be sold for scrap, thereby really giving the freeloaders solid competition. In fact I call on Prime Minister Howard or Mr. Rudd to consider a joint Government, Telstra FTTH network allowing the Australian people to have a world class operation.

    Back to reality Tol -- 24/04/07 (in reply to #320078366)

    wiki Sol Trujillo and check out Controversies section.

    ie U S West Communications, Inc. I don't think they want him back there too soon pal.

    He's using Australia and when it goes sour he'll just hop on a 747 and go back to US.

    Those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

    Telco Einstien. Sydney Lawrence. -- 25/04/07 (in reply to #320078391)

    I bow to your superior knowledge and have no doubt that you would certainly know more on this subject than Rupert Murdoch.

    Telstra to invest Tol -- 25/04/07 (in reply to #320078397)

    I note your condescending tone, that's your point isn't it?

    When Rupert Murdoch labels broadband services in Australia a "disgrace" and called on the federal government and Telstra to invest, do you think Rupert's is being polite when he gives Sol a pat on the back? Rupert Murdoch keeps a foot in both camps :)

    G9 Crap Vas -- 25/04/07 (in reply to #320078284)

    I hope G9 makes it & gets use of Telstra's lines for zip because they belong to everyone, not just you mate!

    You are delusuional...G9 aint going to happen...kappish

    G9 Crap Vas -- 25/04/07 (in reply to #320078284)

    I hope G9 makes it & gets use of Telstra's lines for zip because they belong to everyone, not just you mate!

    You are delusuional...G9 aint going to happen...kappish

    News flash Tol -- 25/04/07 (in reply to #320078419)

    TELSTRA is fearing its rival Optus is about to get the lion's share of a $600 million taxpayer subsidy to deliver broadband in the bush.

    Next win will be G9 getting the nod to do FTTN

    Enjoy the rest of your evening :)

    Dream on. Sydney Lawrence -- 26/04/07 (in reply to #320078420)

    And pigs will fly.

    That's all you got? Tol -- 26/04/07 (in reply to #320078425)

    Keep wearing that lemon with pride.

    T4 Anonymous -- 21/04/07 (in reply to #320078185)

    The G9 FTTN has many areas where no overlap exists.

    "stealing assets from telstra" - Can you try to point out the assets that will be stolen?

    "The network is not theirs to take or upgrade" - That why the competitors upgraded their own ADSL2+ network, Telstra do not wholesale ADSL2+.

    "its like someone coming to rebuild your house without consent." - it's not the houses they want to improve but the common access to the houses. For example, if a housing estate has one common road servicing them the road is deemed as common access and laws apply. Look a bit silly building a fence across the road eh? The ACCC has ruled common broadband infrastructure can be regulated where Telsra or a Telco/ISP has build a 'mote' around the consumers' network effectively killing off the completion. An open access network would satisfy the laws the federal government help to setup.

    G9 Crap Vic -- 22/04/07 (in reply to #320078193)

    Love your assumption, improve the road to your House. Well that road is no longer public, it was sold by the Government (complain to them). I would like to see you come and touch my drive way without my consent. The G9 are despareate and have norhing else.
    Fancy all the press releases dont say we need to steal Telstra assetes for this to work.

    all tip, no ice burg. open access -- 22/04/07 (in reply to #320078241)

    if your driveway is built to block access to other homes and it's a bottleneck (bottleneck infrastructure) we're gonna dig it up and give access to the other home owners, just like ULL.

    Build an all purpose mote around customers' homes expect a knock at the door.

    Vic, is that Vicky? Rex Alfie Lee -- 23/04/07 (in reply to #320078241)

    Well Vic, the truth is that the monopoly do not have control of the lines to the house, the Gov't does, that is the local Gov't & they can shut Telstra down as well as G9. If you want to stop G9 upgrading your service then you go right ahead. If you want to have broadband at Telstra speeds & watch yourself fall by the wayside behind everyone else then that's fine - I don't care about you!

    If your connection is in the way of any others then your connection will get upgraded as well even though you don't want it to bcoz they don't care about you either. Actually nobody cares about you specifically, rather the movement of broadband into first-rate lifestyle speeds, something that Telstra is keeping from everyone.

    You think the G9 is a fallacy then why is it that the ACCC are taking them seriously? Just to scare Telstra, I don't think so, they would rather screw Telstra so that everyone else can have a reasonable broadband system.

    BTW, It may come to the point where they believe that building the complete infrastructure is worth it after all

    Mr Anonymouse Rex Alfie Lee -- 23/04/07 (in reply to #320078185)

    Coward - your words mean zip if you don't put your name behind it. Maybe you're just speaking from your behind - yeah, that's right --> CRAP!

    For your knowledge - if anyone is going to do this then better it be not Telstra bcoz whoever is running this scum cumpanee is going to do the same thing they've been doing for years - providing crap service & charging hell for it.

    May G9 succeed & we see the end of Telstra. The Gov't ought to cancel everything they've done so far & give Telstra back to the people rather than screwing us with our own company.

    G9 and Priorities for RIM/Pair Gain Victims Bill Caelli -- 23/04/07

    As a Telstra/Fed Govt - DCITA policy hiatus RIM/Pair Gain victim with NO broadband access at all, the problem with this article is that it poses more questions for us "victims" in that it simply isn't clear what is proposed. Do G9 propose taking over or replacing those dreadful RIM boxes that populate our country for those a little away from their local exchange? What about the "Pair Gain" people?

    The question for the media to get some investigative reporting is simple - and to DCITA - just how many subscribers, and what proportion of those subscribers, in Australia are affected by this old and obsolete "extension cord" Telstra structure of the 1990s?

    How will G9 fix this?

    Pair Gain Victim Rex Alfie Lee -- 23/04/07 (in reply to #320078277)

    Like you I am a pair gain victim. No, the G9 won't fix this issue but wireless will, basically WiMAX.

    I, personally don't really care about the fibre-optic introduction bcoz I believe it will be overrun in the medium term anyway. Wireless is up to the speeds of of wired networks, so what's the point? Well, it's easier with large businesses that need 20Meg/sec.

    For the most part I don't believe too many of us need that type of speed & without wireless we will be left behind if we live away from town.

    What's the point? Peter -- 09/05/07

    If they're going to bother rolling out a fibre network, why aren't they offering speeds of at least 100mbit??

    I can already get speeds of "up to 24mbit". There's no point in rolling out fibre when ADSL2+ can already carry the bandwidth they're offering.

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