Customers slam Telstra over pair gain strife

Telstra customers have responded angrily to the company's claims regarding its use and disclosure of pair gain technology.

Describing the telecommunications heavyweight's conduct as deceitful and dishonest, Canberra-based IT consultant Stephen Harden claimed he found himself stuck with sub-standard dial up connection speeds and no access to ADSL despite specifically asking for a single full copper pair connection.

"At no time during the provisioning of these lines was I told that these lines would be pair gain or that I would not be able to get ADSL because of this," Harden said. "I have spoken on several occasions to Telstra representatives regarding whether I can get ADSL in any way shape or form, only to be given the cold shoulder every time. The other 'alternative' that it was suggested I purchase was two way satellite - which is between two and three times the cost of ADSL."

Adelaide-based Internet consultant Ben Buob claims a Telstra operative told him the company had chosen to lay narrow cable or pair gain technology to his new housing development located just four kilometres from the local exchange, rather than full copper pairs because it was "cheaper".

"The complaints I made resulted in being told that Telstra don't care if data is slow or doesn't work (because) they only install lines to be used for voice," Buob said. "My only option if I want better Internet is to spend hundreds of dollars a month on their (Telstra's) satellite or move to a new house."

Similarly, Andy Hayes said he specifically requested an ADSL compatible line when he built his house, and only discovered he had been connected using pair gain technology when he attempted to get ADSL connected.

Subsequent attempts to contact Telstra resulted in a wide variety of explanations, including a suggestion he get a new phone line installed or opt for satellite connection.

"After a bit of research, I found that my fathers number and mine were on the same exchange and that his line was ADSL-compatible, again I contacted Telstra to find out why," Hayes said. "I was told that there was no copper cabling in that exchange and that nobody in that exchange could possibly have ADSL, even though the exchange is ADSL capable."

Hayes went on to say that he would not be as upset with Telstra if he had been charged a reduced rate for the pair gain connection.

And while customers such as Harding accept the recent Australian Competition and Consumer Commission ruling that Telstra had not infringed the Trade Practices Act by failing to disclose the full nature of the connection, he says the law regarding such an issue needs to be reviewed.

"This is a problem not so much with ACCC, but with the legislated requirements for telecommunications companies," Harding said. "The average Joe Public has no idea about the ramifications to them of pair gain - they just want a good phone line and in most houses these days decent Internet connection speeds. When a new house is being cabled I think it should be a requirement for the telecommunications carrier to understand the required usage of their systems in order to provide the best deal. When I am trying to deal with a customer I don't say "here's the solution I gave the last customer - it doesn't matter whether it suits you or not, just use it. I wouldn't be in business long if I did."

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Talkback 12 comments

    Having recently worked with St ...Anonymous -- 05/11/02

    Having recently worked with Stephen and knowing that he probably knows more than most of the telstra technicians about this kind of technology I'm surprised they have tried to pull the wool over his eyes.
    Wake up Telstra, you are currently scum, in the eyes of most technically minded people, myself included!

    Having a pairgained household ...Anonymous -- 06/11/02

    Having a pairgained household for an IT manager is an absolute joke. I pay for a 56k dialup connection and recieve 28.8k and never better due to Telstra pair-gaining the whole estate. The size of the estate is huge and getting bigger and is actually in the medium to high income bracket. Aren't these the people Telstra should be looking after? Combine this with Australia's ridiculous broadband pricing and we're in the dark ages.

    What ever happened to OPTUS, A ...Anonymous -- 06/11/02

    What ever happened to OPTUS, AAPT, Primus, RSL-Com etc in this argument? If they were investing money into laying infrastructure to new estates, this wouldn't be an issue. However, they are cherry-picking the high-density CBD areas etc, leaving the cost-burden on Telstra (and therefore, the taxpayers) for these developments. Therefore, Telstra chooses the most cost-effective option to deliver voice.
    Not only that -> the other Telco's then complain that Telstra tries to charge them too much to access the infrastructure.
    Competition was introduced for a reason. Therefore, all Telco's should share this burden, and therefore, the blame.

    "leaving the cost-burden ...Anonymous -- 07/11/02

    "leaving the cost-burden on Telstra" !!!!
    HELLO !!! Telstra makes around 4 to 6 BILLION dollars profit every year.
    We should be examining why Telstra's Management are ham-stringing their employees into choosing the "cheaper" option.

    Typical T(H)elstra arrogance. ...Keith Styles (A very,very disgruntled user) -- 07/11/02

    Typical T(H)elstra arrogance. They have a monopoly so they don't care. As for the other so called telcos; they ALL play follow the leader! Trying to get a straight answer from any of their sales departments is both a moral and technical impossibility. If a sales rep has the technical knowledge, (most don't) they are hamstrung by the dubious morality of their superiors.

    After buying my home 4 years a ...Anonymous -- 27/11/02

    After buying my home 4 years ago, I needed a second line for Data, I requested Copper so I could use ADSL when it became available.. The Copper was installed.. then 18 months later without my knowledge they changed my line to a Rim... I only found this out when I applied for ADSL.. The only was to fix this was to pay for another line and get three telstra technicians out to my home.. I eventually got the service, but have lost a lot of money having to change fax numbers on all my business stationary..
    I know want to change providers, but have been told that I could loose my connection in the exchange and be without ADSL altogether!!!!

    I HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO ADSL ...MICHAEL PERROUX -- 30/01/03

    I HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO ADSL TELSTRA FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS AND IT IS OBIZMAL. IT HAS NOT ONCE WORKED TO ITS ADVERTISED UP LOAD SPEED OR ANY WHERE NEAR IT. IT IS INFACT SO SLOW THAT IT IS MUCH FASTER TO SEND A PAPER BASED FAX.
    TELSTRA HAVE ADVERTISED THIS PRODUCT BUT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE BETTER THAN REGULAR INTERNET CONNECTION. THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE MONTH WHEN ADSL HAS WORKED ANY WHERE NEAR 50% LET ALONE THE 90% ADVERTISED BUT NOT HONOURED.ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS IT HAS NOT EVEN WORKED AT ALL.TELSTRA ALSO ARE NOT HONERING THE TELSTRA GUARANTEE. PERHAPS A CLASS ACTION IS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS SHELTERED WORK SHOP OF BUNGLING INCOMPITANTS WAKE UP AND PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT IS EVEN 10% AS GOOD AS THAT INTERNATIONALLY. I AM NOW LOOKING FOR A GOOD SERVICE PROVIDOR AND HAVE NOT SO FAR FOUND ONE. I HAVE RATED OTHERS BY CALLING TECHNICAL SUPPORT A FEW TIMES TO SEE IF IT IS EXISTANT.

    I live in Northgate, South Aus ...Anonymous -- 25/02/03

    I live in Northgate, South Australia and work in the IT industry. I was told when building there in mid 2001 that the exchange there supported ADSL and so would the lines in that area.

    I double checked with Telstra and the builder on the way and both assured me all would be fine. It wasn't until after the Telstra intaller had been that I found out otherwise.

    Telstra's weak excuse to me as to why they installed pair gain lines was because they aren't told how many lines an area will need until after they have started on the infrastructure. The telstra representative said it was because people order more than one line for the same house so they have to go to pair gain to accomodate the extra lines. How pathetic an excuse is this?? Do they expect me to believe that it is impossible to estimate how many lines are required for a new housing development? Can't they look at their own data to determine this?? Obviously they know how many lines are used in a general area. Pair gain should be an option if you don't want the line for data, not the default.

    It is truly disgusting. This is my Job and I can't do it from home over an unreliable dial up connection. It has a direct affect on my quality of living and my capability of getting work done. It is so frustrating taking 2 hours to do something that should take 1.

    I can't sell up and move because It's my first home and I don't have enough equity (and would make a loss) to sell. So I am now trapped.

    I am on the LAVINGTON NSW exch ...Anonymous -- 28/04/03

    I am on the LAVINGTON NSW exchange and with AAPT. Wanted to go to ADSL and was told that the exchange was OK. 2 weeks later I was told NO ADSL due to this thing called pair gain. No solution offered by AAPT except a second line.
    Rang TELSTRA and offered to change to them if I could get ADSL. You would not believe (maybe some of you would!)the rot that I got over a two week period until I called a halt.
    The final solution was satellite - that would fulfill all my requirements and I now had a moral duty to changeover to them. There was absolutely no consideration of the COST.
    I still do not have ADSL and according to a TELSTRA tech (who was honest in his answers when he called back) I won't get it until enough people make a big enough noise about the pair gain system. He indicated that the policy (to them) seemed to be to install adequate voice lines and to hell with data!!
    And the masters of TELSTRA have the gall to say they are improving service - especially in regional areas!!

    I wish to add my voice of conc ...Anonymous -- 27/02/04

    I wish to add my voice of concern over "pair-gain" lines.Telstra was not looking at the future but backwards when they put pair-gains in place.I am in a newly established section of housing and pg was put in and we are only 13 kms for the heart of Brisbane City Centre.I am not worried about other countries but my own re future development,as i am sure other countries will do what they have to for communications.Our pollies need to look at what they can do for the people, and noth what they can get for themselves.Lets improve our lines systems so we can say we are leading the world in data speeds

    I wish to add my voice of conc ...Anonymous -- 27/02/04

    I wish to add my voice of concern over "pair-gain" lines.Telstra was not looking at the future but backwards when they put pair-gains in place.I am in a newly established section of housing and pg was put in and we are only 13 kms for the heart of Brisbane City Centre.I am not worried about other countries but my own re future development,as i am sure other countries will do what they have to for communications.Our pollies need to look at what they can do for the people, and noth what they can get for themselves.Lets improve our lines systems so we can say we are leading the world in data speeds

    'Pair Gain' Andy Laina -- 27/11/08

    Makes no difference which country you live in 'Pair Gain' devices exist.

    I've recently emigrated to Australia and lived in the UK before, working for British Telecom, you think Telstra are bad, you should try calling BT...!
    Pair Gain devices (known in the UK as Dacs) are traditionally used when their is a shortage of copper, stringing poor other peoples phone lines on the back of each other. Consequences of this 'Pair Gain' adsl service will not work, and it will cut your dial up connection in half.

    Telstra are a huge successful organisation, any way they can save money they will, it cost thousands of dollars to dig up the streets, lay new duct, and not to mention the price of copper these days.....

    Sorry guys, but the builders should inform you, or ask building mangement who the Telstra contractors are, and find out from them.

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