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Cisco to pitch for NBN work

Cisco Systems this week said it would respond to Terria's call for companies to supply the products and services required to build the federal government's $4.7 billion national broadband network.

Cisco's Les Williamson
(Credit: Cisco Systems)

"It's certainly in our space," Cisco's Australia and New Zealand vice president Les Williamson told ZDNet.com.au on the sidelines of the company's annual Networkers conference in Brisbane. "We'll be addressing that as a business and responding accordingly."

Williamson said Cisco could handle the needs Terria outlined, being services, equipment and architectural intellectual property requirements, and stressed Cisco's long history of delivering services and products to service providers, with 25 per cent of global revenues coming from that part of the business.

"We have a very deep history with just about every telco in Australia. So we intend to continue that," he said.

Telcos still buying
Despite claims that uncertainty on the federal government's national broadband network has made telcos drag their feet on network investments, Cisco has not seen a downturn in demand, according to Williamson.

"I haven't had anyone write to me and say because of the NBN, I'm not doing X or not doing Y," Williamson said. "Of course it's on the political landscape ... but [telcos are] getting on with their business. They need to. Because there's demand there."

He said that investment in the sector went through phases, but pegging any perceived downturn to the NBN was drawing a long bow.

Michael Boland, Cisco distinguished systems engineer, Australia and New Zealand said that business was buying and the carriers, even if they had slowed down roll-outs, still required Cisco's services.

"[Carriers are] increasing their capacity of their access networks, and the access networks are terribly predicated on broadband, but behind that they're really busy rolling out their aggregation fabrics and their cores," he said.

Cisco has been able to play a role in that, helping carriers compartmentalise and virtualise their networks to handle new forms of services, he said, as well as working architectural models to handle data in large quantities.

The change from preparation to broadband build will only be a change in the company's role, Boland said. "We move more from an infrastructural, architectural role deployment we do today to a fulfilment role," he said.

Until the roll out happens, there will still be growth, especially from the business space, which will invest in Ethernet regardless of what speed broadband is behind it, Boland said. "There is still growth. All we're discussing ... is what the slope of the curve will be for the growth. It's not like there is a downswing."

Suzanne Tindal travelled to Brisbane as a guest of Cisco Systems.

Talkback 27 comments

    great news Anonymous -- 18/09/08

    this is great news, at least now cisco have given terria 2% credibility. Now just 98% to go.

    ? Anonymous -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112183)

    I don't understand, can you please explain to me why TERRiA do not have credibility?

    @? Anonymous -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112186)

    are you serious?

    Seriously? Anonymous -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112198)

    Actually yeah I'd like an answer to that, why do you think Terria has no creditability? If Cisco one of the worlds largest and respected networking companies is looking at them then they clearly something there, so what makes you as an anonymous internet poster see them as having nothing going for them?

    Don't bother James Bell -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112200)

    I wouldn't bother questioning Tony the Telstra troll.. it only encourages him.

    I know Terry -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112204)

    Yeah I know, I was just interested what sort of response (if any) they would give.

    Above "Seriously?" post was me by the way, I just misclicked and made it anonymous by mistake.

    @dont bother Anonymous -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112204)

    once again welcome to the james and terry and anonymous, who is also terry too, show haha. a show where two bumbling halfwits show just how stupid mankind can be. and here's *the star of the show* your host jaaames bell.

    whats the bet james wont be able to resist and cant even take his own advise and *not bother*, replying hehe.

    Why am I not surprised my question was ignored Terry -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112211)

    "once again welcome to the james and terry and anonymous, who is also terry too, show haha. a show where two bumbling halfwits show just how stupid mankind can be. and here's *the star of the show* your host jaaames bell."

    Thanks for the comments, but you completely ignored my question. I'll ask it again, hopefully this time you'll respond with an answer, but somehow I doubt that.

    If Cisco one of the worlds largest and respected networking companies is looking at Terria then they clearly something there, so what makes you as an anonymous internet poster see them as having nothing going for them?

    @ignored Anonymous -- 19/09/08 (in reply to #320112219)

    to the terria lapdogs and stars of zd, yes theres a camera on you, smile legends, terry and anoymous (also terry) and tttt kingpin james. although you ask, it's really no point explaining because even when proven 100% correct you immortals would cry and carry on until the cows come home, that its all lies. but lets give it a go. i think another comment summed it up best. i cant take any credit for this as it isn't mine, but i agree 100%.

    Terria - " We dont particularly care who builds the NBN . . . . . "

    Terria - "The first thing I'll do if we win is call Telstra to offer the most significant equity stake in Terria" !!!!

    Terria - "Our NBN proposal is based on us getting a complete monopoly"

    Terria - Our proposal is based on Telstra forced to put approx. $7 billion dollars p.a. worth of fixed wire traffic across the NBN.

    If the aim was to delay Telstra building FTTN Then they have succeded.

    But as graphically demonstrated by OPEL fumbling $946 mill worth of FREE Govt money.

    They have no chance of doing the NBN.

    the end. yes they've got plenty going for them.

    now mr. predictable put your terria spin on it and vainly try to discredit this comment, what a surprise haha

    as for cisco perhaps they have around 4.7 billion reasons to want to be involved, maybe? And isn't the parent company american, like that rotten sol and phil, hehe. not more amigos!

    I see jimmy boy took his own advice too hehe. at least he listens to someone.

    Spin baby spin Terry -- 19/09/08 (in reply to #320112274)

    "it's really no point explaining because even when proven 100% correct you immortals would cry and carry on until the cows come home"

    I'll tell you why there is no point in explaining it, if you say Terria are incompetent then you're implying Cisco are incompetent by looking at them, and that will make you look foolish. Your only other option is to change your tune on Terria, which isn't going to happen.

    Basically it's you an anonymous internet poster vs the opinion of Cisco, no offense but I know who I'd be listening to.

    @spin. enough of the terria suck, employee Anonymous -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112303)

    news flash, professor, cisco have credibility and are a successful business. of course if they see an avenue to make money they will, wow how about that. the fact that they * may be* involved has given the terria group some long overdue credibility finally. wasn't that exactly what i said before you *experts on everything* jumped in and started *crying until the cows came home*. perhaps you should reduce the terria suck, optus boy, because afterall, what have they achieved so far? *sfa* and you blindly love them, fool!

    @spin extra Anonymous -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112335)

    also terry terria, you asked why your question was ignored, thats because those like me, unlike you, who do not have a vested interest already know terria is a sham. but since you pressed and suggested i had no foundation, no offence, but i felt sorry for you and your blind loyalty and had to set you straight. unfortunately it was a lost cause. *why am i not surprised my answer was ignored*

    You're making up stuff again Terry -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112340)

    "also terry terria, you asked why your question was ignored, thats because those like me, unlike you, who do not have a vested interest"

    I don't have a vested interest, I'm not sure how you managed to come to that conclusion. And as I've said multiple times, I don't think Telstra or Terria should get the bid.

    It was really a simple question, why should we listen to you as an anonymous internet poster more than the opinion of Cisco. Your only reply has been name calling, this wasn't a 5th grade question, that wasn't an answer, but if you want to treat the NBN discussion as like a child and resort to name calling as your argument then go right ahead.

    @youre Anonymous -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112347)

    no, you asked why terria aren't serious, i answered, then you hid like the worm that you are. then you said you'd rather listen to cisco than to me and i agreed, yes cisco are credible and their credibility is now rubbing off on your precious non credible terria [see above again for the reasons which yopu conveniently sidestepped]. also i asked you before who you worked for and you said none of your business. not, i do not work in telecoms, in other words you are up to you knees in terria **it. disgraceful insider.

    James was right, this is a waste of time Terry -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112357)

    "no, you asked why terria aren't serious, i answered"

    Quoting myself, this was the question asked (and has been repeated numerous times)..

    "Actually yeah I'd like an answer to that, why do you think Terria has no creditability? If Cisco one of the worlds largest and respected networking companies is looking at them then they clearly something there, so what makes you as an anonymous internet poster see them as having nothing going for them?"

    And sorry you still haven't answered it, and you're still resorting to personal insults.

    I hate so say it but I agree with Jame's comment above, this really is a waste of time, you're presented with an opportunity to say why (even with Cisco looking into them) Terria isn't a creditable bidder for the NBN, you may have even be able to provide information to sway people reading this who are fence sitting in one direction or another, but instead of looking at this from a technology point of view and actually discussing the NBN and the pros/cons of the Terria bid, all you can come back with is personal retorts.

    @james was right, in james dreams Anonymous -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112369)

    you have been answered but like james because it doesnt fit into your own little make believe world you simply cant understand.

    so go back and read all of the above comments again, since they obviously didn't sink in first time. there you will see a list copied from another previous forum from another person who strangely agrees with me and disagrees with you and james (if you are not the same person) which proves terria have no credibility. oh but thats right you just disregard anything which you don't agree with. this is why you agree with james, what a surprise.

    the reason i come back with personal retorts is because thats all you deserve. i also note you again sidestepped the issue of your employment, which is none of our business. no need to elaborate further, it is now most clear why you support james, tttt and terria...

    $$$$$$$$.

    Enough of the insults, try to be serious Terry -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112385)

    "so go back and read all of the above comments again, since they obviously didn't sink in first time. there you will see a list copied from another previous forum from another person who strangely agrees with me and disagrees with you and james (if you are not the same person) which proves terria have no credibility. oh but thats right you just disregard anything which you don't agree with. this is why you agree with james, what a surprise"

    I was asking for your opinion, not a copy/paste list of quotes from someone else on another page. So no quotes, no copying someone else, your own personal opinion on why Terria has no credability.

    If you want I'll start you off..

    Pros-
    * Consortium, multiple companies backing all with vested interest
    * Advised open access with fair pricing
    * Management of network will be segregated from the end customer retail suppliers

    Cons-
    * Consortium, multiple companies may have conflicted interests on how to do (or order of) the rollout
    * Maintenance/Fault management may require the expertise of the companies within the consortium, so multiple hands may be involved in the process

    Are you able to add to these lists or does your constructive contributions end at copy/paste and personal insults?

    no more insults if you realise that others have views too! Anonymous -- 21/09/08 (in reply to #320112391)

    my opinion is *i agree with the others persons description of terria above*, whats is so hard to understand???? seems i could tell you 500 times and you still seem dumbfounded.

    you have a set of ideals in your head which are immoveable. when someone comes along who doesn't necessarily totally disagree with you in all aspects but throws a spanner in the works in relation to what you believe to be right in toto, you simply cant comrehend. because i disagree with you does not make me wrong and it doesn't make me right, it is just my view which i am entitled to without having people like you trying to push their tainted views down my throat.

    and i agree with james, because of this stubborness not consider others opinions, you are a waste of time.

    please remember although i haven't been totally cordial towards you i haven't questioned your right to your thoughts. it is you who keeps questioning mine. i am allowed my views as are you.

    who is right will all come out in the wash. but going by terria leader optus's track record, and there's really no need to elaborate, i hope it isn't terria.

    better the devil you know, i say.

    still nothing about your associations with telecoms companies as an employee, consultant etc.

    here let me get you started. I terry terria work for Opt.. see its not that hard to *spill the beans* and let everyone know your motives.

    Thank You Terry -- 21/09/08 (in reply to #320112409)

    "please remember although i haven't been totally cordial towards you i haven't questioned your right to your thoughts. it is you who keeps questioning mine. i am allowed my views as are you."

    I was asking why you thought Terria had no credibility, not questioning your right to thoughts, I even posted above what I thought some of the pros/cons of the Terria bid were. My tainted view as you call it was to look at both the positive and negatives of the bids and discuss them, it was unbiased, because I believe the Terria bid (as with others) has negative aspects to it as well as positive. But thankfully..

    "but going by terria leader optus's track record, and there's really no need to elaborate, i hope it isn't terria."

    ..you've actually said why you don't want it to be Terria. After all that rambling and insulting and carrying on you've finally come out with a reason that you don't think Terria has credibility, Optus's past history. Thank you, it only took a week.

    Actually let's add that to the lists.. Terry -- 21/09/08 (in reply to #320112412)

    Pro/Cons of Terria bid..

    Pros-
    * Consortium, multiple companies backing all with vested interest
    * Advised open access with fair pricing
    * Management of network will be segregated from the end customer retail suppliers
    * Companies within the consortium may already have their own longhaul links that could be integrated for Terria use to provide larger redundancy

    Cons-
    * Consortium, multiple companies may have conflicted interests on how to do (or order of) the rollout
    * Maintenance/Fault management may require the expertise of the companies within the consortium, so multiple hands may be involved in the process.
    * Terria's biggest partner Optus has a questionable track history (especially in recent times on the longhaul and 3G networks) for network reliability
    * The recent Optus Qld state outage shows that more redundancy would required on longhaul links for Terria to operate stably and to preemptively prevent against any catastrophic fibre failures

    @ maybe eventually ill get to say thanks too - nah! Anonymous -- 21/09/08 (in reply to #320112412)

    yes whatever, as long as you are now happy precious thats the main thing. after all it's all about you isn't it?

    again for all the dummies, I answered immediately. remember precious , *i agree with this previous comment...[copy/paste added]* sound vaguely familiar? what more do you want? it is obvious to anyone who can comprehend basic english. but not you. arrggh.

    now my turn what about you answering my question? still no mention, funny how you simply ignore my questions but expect an answer to yours! i have asked about 4 times now and 2 weeks on and still nothing.

    just come clean about your *obvious close associations, employment with terria, telecoms*, so we all know your disgraceful motives. yes i heard *none of my business*.

    not good enough. so we're *still* waiting, terry bell!

    PLEASE Anonymous -- 21/09/08 (in reply to #320112418)

    sorry, PLEASE, come clean about your insider status! terry.

    Alright then.. Terry -- 21/09/08 (in reply to #320112418)

    "now my turn what about you answering my question? still no mention, funny how you simply ignore my questions but expect an answer to yours! i have asked about 4 times now and 2 weeks on and still nothing."

    Alright, I'll cave for you, my interest in the NBN relates to my studies in Electrical Engineering, though my primary focus (and interest) lies in telecommunications.

    The NBN rollout is a very interesting topic, not only in who would be the best bidder to do the rollout, but also in whether the technology they will be using is the best for the rollout based on a cost vs return (and stability vs longevity vs future protecting) analysis, whether the NBN would be better being bidding on from a state by state basis (and funding distributed accordingly) all the way to whether the NBN is needed at all.

    Personally I think the NBN is being completely rushed, and what we're going to end up with is metro areas drowned in fibre (since that's where the best cost vs return ratio is) when the current DSL connections are satisfactory, and regional areas who actually need the bandwidth are going to left waiting for years before they are touched since the cost involved in setting them up will be huge by comparison.

    From what I can see the best option would be to use the existing 3G HSPA networks (which multiple carriers already have covering a large percentage of population) and concetrate on having their bandwidth and density increased, especially in rural areas. This would provide the rural areas who should be the main target of the NBN with increased bandwidth at a much lower rollout cost then fibres everywhere. Of course another advantage is that multiple carriers are already capable of doing this, so competition is already in place.

    Unfortunately I've delved off the Terria topic a bit, but I hope that clarifies for you where my interest in the NBN lies.

    serious? Anonymous -- 18/09/08 (in reply to #320112198)

    Yes and I did say please...

    What about Juniper? Anonymous -- 19/09/08

    Given Juniper Networks extensive experience in American, Asian and other international telco markets - I wonder if they will also respond to the Terria request?

    or deustke telecom? james -- 20/09/08 (in reply to #320112265)

    anyone but the stink holes we got here in australia, or just cut the companies out, hire the contractors, create a new company and float it on the sharemarket with the government holding majority and control :) telstra's all contractor now anyways

    Chook raffles may help. Sydney Lawrence -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320112381)

    Face cold, hard financial facts you pro Terria idolaters. Terria have NO (zilch, zero and nil) hope of raising capital for NBN in the present world financial situation. Particularly after they told one and all that the return on capital would be small and the risks great. Wake up Australia.

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