Cheaper not to do VoIP: JB Hi-Fi

By Suzanne Tindal, ZDNet.com.au
09 July 2009 10:21 AM
Tags: jb hi-fi, craig, cio, telstra, nortel, voip

Although JB Hi-Fi has rolled out an IP telephony-capable Nortel phone system across 120 of its 135 stores, it said it was cheaper to continue to use the legacy Telstra voice service than power up the VoIP feature.

(JB Hi-Fi in the Macquarie Centre image by maebmij, CC2.0)

JB Hi-Fi chief information officer Geoff Craig said that although Nortel's CS-1000 had been easy to implement and worked well in the capacity it was being used, VoIP wasn't a feature the retail chain had gone live with.

"VoIP was never a big success because we've already got such a great spending relationship with Telstra that it was actually cheaper to not use VoIP than what it was to roll out an entire solution and support an entire VoIP solution," he told ZDNet.com.au recently. The New Zealand office does use a VoIP system, but he said it required more support than the phone service the stores ran on in Australia.

"[Telstra] actually changed our contract around so that our data was at a highly supported rate and obviously an affordable rate, gave us a fantastic discount structure and made it worth our while to stay with the voice lines as they were, and not use VoIP," he said.

Despite not making use of the feature, Craig said he would still implement Nortel's system if he could turn back time. "I've got a VoIP-capable phone system that I could turn on whenever I want," he said.

The only thing I find offensive about Telstra is their Next G pricing.

Geoff Craig, JB Hi-Fi CIO

Currently, Craig is in the middle of negotiations with Telstra for a new contract. Although in general the IT department runs as cheap as it possibly can, Craig admits it has paid a premium to hook up its stores via the telco's frame relay.

"Telstra has the best network around Australia," he said. "Most other successful telco companies sit on top of Telstra's network. The only thing I find offensive about Telstra is their Next G pricing."

The Telstra contract is the firm's largest IT spend, Craig said, although he wouldn't say how much the contract had been because of the negotiations. The next largest spend was on a three-year Microsoft enterprise agreement that cost the retailer around $2 million.

"If you'd ask me the pros and cons of the industry at the moment I'd have to say that definitely under cons I'd have to say Microsoft licensing," he said.

Although there were alternatives, the reality was that the Microsoft products were often the standard, which JB Hi-Fi had to use to be able to relate to its suppliers, according to Craig. "Our major database or third-party application vendor for our point of sale and back-end use Microsoft products," he said.

Craig has an almost non-existent IT budget to cover these costs. He only fields an IT team of 18. "Everything we spend, we literally get asked by the guys: how many CDs do you need to sell to pay for this?" he said. "The mandate from the company especially around the monetary scenario is: if it ain't broke, don't fix it," he said.

Everything we spend, we literally get asked by the guys: how many CDs do you need to sell to pay for this?

Geoff Craig, JB Hi-Fi CIO

A desktop refresh for the company's over 3000 machines is one example of what JB Hi-Fi doesn't do, despite the fact that many of its desktops are over five years old, he said. If one breaks, Craig said he replaces it.

This is made possible, according to the executive, because the applications the company runs don't require new hardware. "Because we use terminal services predominately for a lot of our applications delivered in store there's no speed difference," he said. The Markinson inventory control system, which the company has been running "since day dot", will operate even on an ancient machine running Windows 98, he said.

Yet if he truly wanted something, he'd get the funding, he said. "It's really easy with JB," he said. "If you need it, obviously the company will support you and you can buy it."

One of the largest projects he is doing now is to do with data de-duplication — the elimination of redundant data can reduce the amount of back-up storage required by a factor of 10. It meant quicker backups, according to Craig, and files could be synced to a live office site for disaster recovery.

He's chosen a Data Domain system that will be rolled out with consultants Thomas Duryea. The $100,000 implementation would be finished in four weeks.

The company has also implemented a new mail archiving system and has changed spam filtering vendor from MailGuard to FirstWave (which it purchased through Telstra), because it had grown out of the former small business focused system.

Talkback 9 comments

    No suprises Simon -- 09/07/09

    After more than a decade of products, VoIP is still just a toll bypass solution! VoIP is simply a revenue generator for telco vendors worried about saturated markets. Why else would anyone want degraded voice services, with no guarantees, no lifeline services and constant upgrades?

    Not quite true Herman -- 09/07/09 (in reply to #320148269)

    The true value of VOIP is not the transport of the actaul speech, but the intelligence and flexibility you can achieve in packetizing speech makeit part of the data network layer and integrate with applications. Think presence, mobility, muti modality and application integration. Sure not all enterprises need this, and JB hifi probably did not. However lots of organisations do and derive great benefits from it. One should always ask what are the benefits, will it make my organisation more agile, provide a better customer service, give me a competitive edge, reduce my operating costs etc. if not, then there is no justificationfor for it.

    Cowboy Attitude will come full circle Anonymous -- 09/07/09 (in reply to #320148274)

    Herman, you're spot on. True VoIP via IP-Tel enablement is the starting point and springboard for advanced business comms integrated into core business processes. More importantly, who's going to support Nortel gear in lieu of the fact they're being sold off bit-by-bit. Word has it Avaya or Siemens are interested in taking the telephony side of Nortel, but they're only interested in buying access to the customer base - not so much extending Nortel's product line.

    The cowboy approach of JB Hi-Fi to IT investment will come to bite them in the rear end one day. To hear a national (international?) retailer utter the words "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" concerning technology investment is nauseating, and highlights an inability to consider long-term gains when investing $$$ for business enablement.

    Band aid solutions only go so far.

    Did we read the same article??? Anonymous -- 12/07/09 (in reply to #320148276)

    I realise Geoff Craig did use the phrase "If it ain't broke don't fix it" however it's obvious from the content that JB are assessing their ongoing needs and addressing them with updated/new technology and software as the situation warrants it. The approach employed actually indicates that JB are maximising their return on investment by employing satisfactory technology for the longest possible period and only implementing technology when the expense will actually return value to the company. As an IT and Finance professional for a global corporation, I can tell you this approach is anything but a "band aid solution".

    Doesn't stack up Anonymous -- 13/07/09 (in reply to #320148274)

    I've worked in a converged office and I know that less got done and more time was spent managing comms. I got to say that the "rich experience" of presence, mobility and integration did little to improve any business outcomes but was impressive in pubs late at night!
    The other issue I had was voice quality, especially when conferencing (desktop) I regularly used off net voice so I could talk clearly with customers. The broken dischord was OK for internal converstions but embarrasing when talking with clients.

    Just glad that I'm now working for an organisation with reliable PBX technology and clear voice quality. No longer suffer the DOS attacks from converged messaging nightmares.

    Agree Davo -- 12/08/09 (in reply to #320148986)

    Matches my experience, happily on a pbx now and my work life is more productive for it.

    To VoIP or not to VoIP Anonymous -- 14/07/09

    The answer: to VoIP

    Just like any technology you can make it cost effective or your can blow it out or proportion.
    My opinion is JB Hifi were offered an over priced VoIP solution which gave no competitive advantage, or even worse were probably sold a hybrid solution, yuk.

    I am also honestly sick and tired of hearing people say VoIP is not good Audio quality. Once again its like any project or roll out you can use the right people and do it right OR you can use the wrong people and mess it all up.
    For example right now I can listen to CD quality sound/music on my VoIP phone.

    Voip Infrastucture Peter Hippo -- 12/08/09

    Well the likes of Telstra, Optus, Westpac, use Voip and would you beleive WOW Sight and Sound (JB's baby 'would be') rolled out a new Cisco system by their own staff (Cisco trained) that connects not only all stores but the other myriad of business's around the country they own, and by all accounts from inside info, it is spectacular and does a perfect job. ROI is scaled to the size of the company and in most cases it is a very affordable solution and gives scaleability if done properly in the first instance.

    JB Hi Fi Anonymous -- 21/09/09

    You know I thought people like Craig were kicked out of the IT/Retail industry. Boards need IT people with some business knowledge to challenge their decisions. Obviously Craig doesnt have this and is a yes sir man. JB Hi Fi interests are not at heart just his personal goals!

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