ADSL2 won't cut it, says baby wireless telco

High-speed ADSL2 services are transient and will be ground under the wireless broadband heel, reckon two industry veterans who have put their money where their mouths are. But ADSL2 vendor iiNet has a different perspective.

The chairman and chief executive officer of business-focused wireless broadband company Access Providers (AP) have a warning for Internet providers building their own DSL-based networks. "They probably don't understand how difficult it's going to be," chief executive Keith Ondarchie told ZDNet Australia .

They should know. Before co-founding AP in 2001 Ondarchie spent a number of years heading up fibre broadband specialist Uecomm. His sidekick Ravi Bhatia established Primus Australia and managed the telco for six years into its current enviable position.

"There are ISPs that are playing around with ADSL2 and want to become network providers," said Ondarchie. "We know how hard that is. We know what it's like to run a network, we know what's it's like to build a network. This is a diversion for them."

The chief executive said while the industry was fascinated with the bandwidth ADSL2 could offer, that bandwidth was tied to proximity to telephone exchanges.

"As soon as you get away from the exchange you get problems," he said.

Ondarchie says his company sees DSL-based services as transient technologies that will eventually be replaced by wireless equivalents, especially in the business space.

"It'll be like dial-up. If anybody remembers that. What the industry needs to realise is that there is hundreds of millions of dollars going into research and development in the wireless space," he said, admitting nevertheless that DSL had been good for his business as it had educated the market about broadband.

However, Michael Malone, managing director of the nation's third largest Internet provider iiNet, does not agree. The company is currently spending tens of millions of dollars installing DSL equipment all over the nation. It offers ADSL2 solutions and is trialling ADSL2+, which has the potential to deliver speeds up to 24Mbps.

Malone regards DSL variations like ADSL3 or VDSL as being the likely next generation of high-speed access, particularly in the home market.

According to Malone, DSL might face competition in the business space over the next five years from vendors providing optical fibre direct to buildings. "But it's unlikely," he said.

Malone's opinions are backed up by his own company's experience of providing wireless solutions.

"We sell iBurst," he told ZDNet Australia . "iiNet had wireless in Perth; we launched that in 1999 and shut it down in 2003. We've been selling wireless in Auckland for the last two years and have also just shut that down."

The iiNet chief said the decision to ditch wireless came down to cost in the end.

"The cost of wireless -- once you put in the cost of spectrum over the top of it -- is simply more expensive than wired technology," he said. "It's in the order of ten times more expensive to deliver a byte of data over wireless than over wired."

"Secondly we had real ongoing quality of service issues. Simply, we have not been able to deliver a reasonable quality of service, particularly when we're looking at running telephony over it."

"The reality is, if there's wire coming into your home and you can get access over that, the cost of delivering it is very, very cheap."

According to Malone, one of the main problems with wireless technology is the high cost of end-user equipment like modems.

With the next generation WiMax standard, he said, wireless vendors like AP and Unwired will be able to bring that cost down. However, they'll still face competition from the wired providers who are able to use the existing copper-based networks to their advantage.

Like AP, iiNet will soon launch a Voice over Internet Protocol service. The iiNet solution is due by the end of August, Malone said. The company currently has 30,000 customers using its own ADSL infrastructure.

Talkback 11 comments

    Looks like baby telco knows ho ...Anonymous -- 02/07/05

    Looks like baby telco knows how to attract free advertising. Say a ncontroversial comment with no technological basis. DSLAM2 is not only cheaper, but faster and more reliable than wireless. Sure, wireless is good for mobile devices, and for companies in large buildings. For most cases ADSL is still the best way to go, and if wireless will become faster than ADSL, it wont be for a while.

    "It'll be like dial-up. I ...Anonymous -- 06/07/05

    "It'll be like dial-up. If anybody remembers that."

    BigPond's 800,000 dial-up customers are some people who might have heard of it.

    Welcome To The Technology Dark ...Anonymous -- 08/07/05

    Welcome To The Technology Dark Ages - Perth!

    I read "It will be like dial-up if anybody remembers that". Remenber dial-up, here I sit reading about "wireless internet" and "24Meg ADSL" etc. It's all pure science fiction to myself and many other Perth metro residents.

    The best internet access I can get is a sloooow dial-up, that, at times takes 4 to 5 MINUTES to download a single web page.

    I try to fill in on-line order forms and sometimes before I can complete it, I get a message "Order terminated - 20 minute timeout exceeded"

    I HAD BETTER INTERNET ACCESS SEVEN YEARS AGO!

    WHY? Because Telstra state that ADSL is not available because "I'm in a semi-rural area". SEMI-RURAL? I'M ABOUT 8 KM FROM PERTH CITY CENTRE!

    The real reason (in my opinion) is that the 'true' rural community (quite righly) put pressure on the Government for reasonable telecommunications facilities, the Governmet in turn, put the screws into Telstra. As a result, large sections of the Perth metro area were simply abandoned!

    I'm talking about Redcliffe, where I am, which is the location of both the Domestic and International Airports, as well as surrounding suburbs like Belmont, Kewdale (the centre for WA's truck and rail transport) and Welshpool (heart of WA's light to heavy industural manufacturing) - all begginng for years for half decent internet facilities.

    I'm a Technology Consultant and had to lease computers in Texas and California because I couldn't even get 28k dial-up connections. I regurlarly have to use couriers to deliver my larger "e-mail" files to clients because my connection would bomb-out before I could upload it - Real professional!

    Meanwhile, everyone I know who lives in 'real' rural areas enjoy brilliant ADSL services. One I believe lives in a town with a population of around 600.

    Before I leased my current premises, I confirmed ADSL availability and Telstra Big-Pond told me "go ahead and sign". Later I was told, "nagh, that area is full of RIM units, I doubt you will ever get ADSL". When I complained, I was passed off to 23 people over three months before I gave up.

    To their credit, at the time, after asking if it was for home or business use, Telstra did offer me a slower satellite service for a grand connection fee and something like $700 a month as a "suitable alternative".

    I was also offered an expensive, timed IDSN connection, which I know cannot operate via a RIM unit. In other words, they would bypass the RIM if I allowed them to rip me off, but not to provide a less profitable ADSL service.

    I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has had similar experiences...

    City of Belmont Internet ? Anonymous -- 06/12/05 (in reply to #120119019)

    I also live in the area and can not broadband yet the Kewdale School that I am parallel with has it and has for years
    Why not the local people I ask ??

    ADSL in the City of Belmont Anonymous -- 21/03/06 (in reply to #120119019)

    Just wondering if there has been any further progress with ADSL in the City of Belmont? Last time I checked I wasn't able to get it. I live in Kewdale.

    Over 80% of Australian net use ...Anonymous -- 11/07/05

    Over 80% of Australian net users are still on dial ups.

    Talk about being out of touch with the market.

    Just a correction: BigPond has ...Anonymous -- 13/07/05

    Just a correction: BigPond has around 1.2 million dial-up subscribers, not 800,000 as I had previously said.

    ADSL2 could get a valuable &qu ...Anonymous -- 18/07/05

    ADSL2 could get a valuable "helping hand" that might just kill any argument that wireless is superior and make ADSL more efficient and cost effective if its supporters/vendors were to contact inteRAD Technology Ltd. (www.interadtechnology.com) re a recent invention currently being commercialised. Are you interested Michael Malone?

    ADSL in Perth .. in Perth CBD probably avaliable ... Anonymous -- 26/09/05

    I can relate to your story, also live in Perth and am IT consultant with a crippled telephone network. The difference to your story is, I live in a brand new suburb (actually just an extension of Quinns Rocks) and have been trying to get ADSL since I moved here 2 years ago. My line is equipped with mutiplex pair gain so I was told. Sell Telstra Corp. to the people and lets get this arogant a** boss fired. Nils

    Wireless to take over... Yeah right!!! Anonymous -- 04/12/05

    I strongly do not believe that wireless will ever take over from wired internet, and I know for one, from using wireless, I will not be going back to it as it has a severe latency issue.

    I consider myself a part time online gamer, not one of those hard core 24/7 types and there is no way I can possibly play games, for one, over a wireless connection.

    Also I found that on bad days Dial-up would be quicker than a 512k connection because of the latency, by the time the data reached you, it could have already all been downloaded over a 56k connection!!

    Wired internet is here to stay, wireless is only for mild internet users, and I'd only recommend it to people who do not wish to have the costs of a phoneline simply for internet access in their house, and definently not for gaming.

    to far for broadband Ang -- 01/04/06

    I live in Kewdale and was told the ascot exchange is broadband capable, but my phone line is more than 23kms long therefore i wont be able to have broadband, i then enquiried about hibis
    their answer was i only lived 7kms to the cbd and do not qualify as i am not regional wa.With two children in high school iam now forced to put a second phone line in so my children can have dialup internet to access information for home work as they tie up the phone line for hours.In short telstra makes more money out of me.

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