ACCC rejects Telstra pricing again

Australia's competition regulator has again issued a final decision to reject what it described as an "unreasonable" Telstra proposal to charge other telcos $30 per month to use its copper loop for certain broadband services in metro areas.

Telstra has repeatedly submitted undertakings that sought to recover an amount significantly above efficient costs

ACCC chair Graeme Samuel

The so-called Unbundled Local Loop Service (ULLS) is used by other broadband providers such as Optus, iiNet, Internode and more to provide ADSL broadband and similar services, without the provider needing to buy an associated landline service.

"Following an extensive assessment of Telstra's undertaking, including Telstra's own cost model, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) is not satisfied the $30 charge for metropolitan areas is reasonable," the regulator's chairman Graeme Samuel said in a statement.

"The ACCC believes that Telstra's proposed price is unlikely to promote competition in the broadband and telephony markets. It may also discourage investment in telecommunications infrastructure." The ACCC noted Telstra's $30 per month proposal was "significantly above" estimates derived from benchmarking against other countries.

The regulator pointed out Telstra had submitted four applications regarding the ULLS service since 2004, including the one rejected last night, one being withdrawn and three rejected, with the Australian Competition Tribunal backing the ACCC in two earlier appeals by Telstra.

"Telstra has repeatedly submitted undertakings that sought to recover an amount significantly above efficient costs," the regulator said in the statement. Telstra spokespeople did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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Talkback 39 comments

    Sucked in Telstra Anonymous -- 29/04/09

    Good to see ACCC rejecting your stupid charges.

    wait a sec... Anonymous -- 29/04/09 (in reply to #320132873)

    We don't know what Telstra's pricing structure is.

    Re. Sucked in Telstra John -- 29/04/09 (in reply to #320132873)

    You have certainly added an intelligent contribution to this topic....not! Do you not think Telstra has not only a right, but an obligation to minimise it's operating costs?? Name another organisation that is forced by law to provide thier assets to competitors at below cost. I look forward to you childish response.

    The ACCC has an obligation to ALL Australians Laurei Australia - FreedomOfCommunication.org -- 29/04/09 (in reply to #320132936)

    John, I think you'll find that $30 per month per copper cable is far, far above cost, I would be surprised if each cable cost $30 a year to Telstra ..also I think you'll find that ULL pretty much means a forced lease of the line in any language you speak.

    Although not eloquent, Anon.'s reply pretty much sums up the way Australia feels about Telstra.

    -see http://tr.im/k14N a ULL specific convo, and a few other people's point of view.

    re The ACCC has an obligation to ALL Australians WAL -- 30/04/09 (in reply to #320133032)

    Yes, give it to them for $ 30 per year, and throw in free access to all other Telstra built infrastructure. And while you are at it, give them an annual return trip to Europe free of charge. Then they might be all be satisfied.

    Re. Sucked in Telstra WAL -- 30/04/09 (in reply to #320132936)

    John, I agree with you. That first poster with the stupid comment, should take a look at what the big banks continue to charge for doing SFA, with absolute silence from the ACCC. That ACCC crowd certainly seems to have it in for Telstra

    ACCC Simon -- 04/05/09 (in reply to #320133155)

    Actually, the ACCC is simply upholding the law. If you don't like the law, then you'd need to complain to a politician not the enforcers. The Banks are monitored by their own version of the ACCC called APRA. The difference is that the Banks play ball with APRA and understand the balance between pushing the bar and wasting everyone's time.

    But the ACCC has an obligation to Australians! Laurei Australia - FreedomOfCommunication.org -- 29/04/09

    John, I think you'll find that $30 per month per copper cable is far, far above cost, I would be surprised if each cable cost $30 a year to Telstra ..also I think you'll find that ULL pretty much means a forced lease of the line in any language you speak.

    Although not eloquent, Anon.'s reply pretty much sums up the way Australia feels about Telstra.

    -see http://tr.im/k14N a ULL specific convo, and a few other people's point of view.

    @But the ACCC has an obligation to Australians! Anonymous -- 30/04/09 (in reply to #320133031)

    "Although not eloquent, Anon.'s reply pretty much sums up the way Australia feels about Telstra."

    What a silly statement that is. I'm Australian, and I do not think that way about Telstra. Nor do a lot of my friends and colleagues.

    Competition is good Anonymous -- 30/04/09

    Trust me... i know the cost structure...and it's unreasonable.

    accc rejects Telstra pricing again. Neil Smith -- 01/05/09

    Well, if the other companies & the ACCC aren't happy, they can start building their own ULLS. Only take them a few years & millions of dollars. (or is that billions?)

    Trust Telstra, sure can! Rex Alfie Lee -- 02/05/09

    Nobody in their right mind would trust this scummy company that has proven time & again how little they care about customers let alone the requirements to supply reasonable service throughout Australia, which they haven't done yet. For those inn support of Telstra, you are either paid by Telstra or hold shares so your points are without objective view point, so who cares what you think anyway?

    go rex Anonymous -- 02/05/09 (in reply to #320134220)

    but your comments are gospel hey rex.

    if only you could see your comments through our eyes and see what a bitter little man you are. you'd then see that no one cares what you think either and we just laugh at you.

    Dear Anonymouse Rex Alfie Lee -- 02/05/09 (in reply to #320134263)

    Who in the hell are you to call me little man you pitious cretin? Get thou shares & away with thee hence thou coward.

    So I must be right because your response would tell me what I stated to be true cretin & coward. If I am wrong then show me where. I once worked for a great company called Telecom Australia but what I see now is a nasty vermin-like defection of what they used to be. Run by scum, removing those who made the company what they are & I'm not talking about myself because I have more than one career & I left before Telecom became Telstra, & of my own volition. I see what they've become & it's scummy at best. That you taunt me for having the view that those who support it are shareholders or paid by this company to support it has merit because I know many who currently work for the company & even some of the shareholders who believe the same as I.

    So Anonymouse, who are you & who cares about you?

    k. Anonymous -- 03/05/09 (in reply to #320134285)

    actually no im reading this thinking "anonymouse" is even more of a tool than i first expected. to be honest

    another or the same Anonymous -- 03/05/09 (in reply to #320134385)

    look another dopey ***t or the same dopey ***t. either way same result.

    re rex is a cwever boy, anonymouse Anonymous -- 06/05/09 (in reply to #320134285)

    "if only you could see your comments through our eyes and see what a bitter ***KLESS little man you are. you'd then see that no one cares what you think either and we just laugh at you."

    There are a lot of us who agree completely with those comments. The guy is a moron for sure and certain..

    Dear Anonymouse Anonymous -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320134274)

    So Rex Alfie Lee, who are you & who cares about you ?

    You sound more like that moronic, Jason to me.

    go rex Anonymous -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320134263)

    You are right on there. The "bitter little man", is a vey apt description, and no one gives a sh.t about the stupid litlle pr..k. Give it to him mate, as there are plenty of others that think the same way about him as you do.

    Cry scum Anonymous -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320134553)

    Cretinous, cowardice "bitter little" anonymouse shareholder.

    Cry over those worthless shares scum.

    Cry scum Anonymous -- 06/05/09 (in reply to #320134689)

    You wish, bitter little man, with emphasis on the little.

    Emphasis on worthless Anonymous -- 06/05/09 (in reply to #320134861)

    I wish what, cretinous scum?

    That I had lots of shares I paid big dollars for, that are now worth very little and be just like you, with emphasis on the little.

    Emphasis on worthless Anonymous -- 06/05/09 (in reply to #320134891)

    "I wish what, cretinous scum?"

    Yep, that's Jason's DNA alright. Why don't you get a life you "bitter little man". It is so good to see that other posters can see you for what you are. At least I did not refer to you as a dopey ***t, even though I do believe that is what you are.

    re Emphasis on worthless Anonymous -- 07/05/09 (in reply to #320134909)

    Hear hear, we all agree with you that the guy is a moron.

    Nothing changes, rofl Jason -- 07/05/09 (in reply to #320135052)

    Gee guys, I see you miss me and pray for my return, shucks!

    But unfortunately, since big mouth Brad/Mel continually refused to talk the talk and went MIA instead of walking the walk, I lost interest. All blah and no bar!

    Really there's no ethics and decency with you lot, just typical spineless, c**tservative ***t, apart from Rex. But wow, seems Jason gets centre stage at all the love-ins now regardless, rofl!

    Lol, here we have a little tiff between the aforementioned, short fused, demento, Rex, a Telstra hater, and Telstra lover /investor (but Optus customer, haha) Sydney Mike, the stupidest investor this side of Antares ($3.24, lol)! So what we have is "14 comments made by just 2 people". But hilariously, each of these brainiacs is accusing the other "of being Jason, rofl". That has Jason's DNA, classic! There"s some extreme intelligence at play here folks, "not", rofl.

    Listen geniuses, why don't we say that all comments here, in fact at every ZD thread, are all Jason. So Jason's even arguing with Jason too! No he isn't, yes he is... rofl. Obviously it's the only way one can get an adult reply, rather than the timeless brilliance of ***k of Jason you ***kwit, rofl!

    So whatever makes you feel secure, ladies. Yes it's all me, I'm Rex, Anonymous(e), Sydney Mike/Lawrence, Mel Sommersberg and anyone else I left out. I'm also Leslie Nassar, who I've already been accused of being, roflmfao.

    And... Rambo, Renai Le May, John Holmes, Pablo Picasso, Batista, Pope Benedict XVI and of course "Chuck Norris". Ooh and Sol Trujillo too!

    You clowns really are precious, seriously.

    Nothing changes, rofl Anonymous -- 08/05/09 (in reply to #320135199)

    Poor "little" Jason, Moron of the Century. Nothing has changed.

    Nothing changes, rofl Anonymous -- 10/05/09 (in reply to #320135270)

    "Poor "little" Jason, Moron of the Century. Nothing has changed".

    Aint that the truth....well said and good to hear.

    Where's Wally Anonymous -- 10/05/09 (in reply to #320135749)

    Yes but...

    I wonder what ever happened to the world's stupidest investor? The dumbest, dumb***k of all, SYDNEY MIKE?

    Perhaps with his $7 Telstra shares now only being worth $3.23, he can no longer afford the internet?

    Where's Wally Anonymous -- 20/05/09 (in reply to #320135751)

    Hey knucklehead..............please don't stop talking them down. My last trade was a fantastic result !

    fantastic deal? Anonymous -- 20/05/09 (in reply to #320136890)

    shares of any company bought for lots and sold for peanuts can hardly be called a fantastic result, anonymous.

    fantastic deal? Anonymous -- 20/05/09 (in reply to #320136934)

    You might wish, but no so, brainiac ....................!

    wish nothing? Anonymous -- 20/05/09 (in reply to #320136952)

    i'm not wishing anything anonymous so if you have really made money on telstra shares, good on you. just sounded unlikely, cause theres lots a people who have lost big time. but brainiac?

    wish nothing? Anonymous -- 21/05/09 (in reply to #320136955)

    I apologise for the "brainiac" comment. I thought you were a certain person, who continually seems to get pleasure out of taunting Telstra shareholders.

    re Where's Wally Wally -- 21/05/09 (in reply to #320135751)

    I don't know if you noticed Jason, that there is a global recession going on, and that Telstra has outperformed the ASX in it’s total shareholder return. Everybody's share price has been lowered, over the same period of time, so you might want to look at the facts and then draw your inaccurate conclusions."

    Compare apples. Jason -- 21/05/09 (in reply to #320137046)

    Sydney **** Good to see you have refrained from calling me ***kwit or knucklehead, simply because we disagree. Perhaps now we can have civilised correspondence! So sincerely welcome back.

    But you still don't get it do you? I am not having a go at Telstra shareholders. I am simply refuting your assumptions that Telstra shares are and have been a good investment, because they have not!

    I'll take your word about Telstra outperforming the broader market, because I'm sure if you do the right comparison, you will find the answer you want.

    So how about we compare apples. I picked 3 blue chips. Telstra, NAB and the ever popular Woolworths, but feel free to pick BHP or whoever else if you prefer.

    I did a few quick rough, rounded sums and Telstra are the worst performer over the last 12 months, of the 3 bluechips I chose. Working on yesterdays closing prices and yearly highs/lows sourced from ComSec.

    Telstra
    12 month high $4.86
    12 month low $2.93
    Yesterdays close $3.21

    Highs vs lows = -39%
    Low to current = +9%
    Overall loss = -30%
    --------------------------------------
    NAB
    12 month high $34.10
    12 month low $15.85
    Yesterdays close $22.02

    Highs vs lows = -54%
    Low to current = +39%
    Overall loss = -15%
    ----------------------------------------
    Woolworths
    12 month high $29.80
    12 month low $22.85
    Yesterdays close $26.50

    Highs vs lows = -23%
    Low to current = +16%
    Overall loss = -7%

    As you can see, TLS have performed 2 x worse than NAB and 4.5 times worse than WOW.

    Extra Jason -- 21/05/09 (in reply to #320137062)

    You may recall too Sydney Mike, I mentioned in a previous thread/correspondence (where you also claimed I was just bashing Telstra shareholders) that I considered Telstra well and truly undervalued at the then current levels of around $3.10 and a definite buy at anything under $3.

    I wonder if either of us took my advice?

    Cheers

    re Compare Apples and Extra Sydney Mike -- 22/05/09 (in reply to #320137064)

    Hallelujah Jason, I notice that on this occasion I have not been referred to as the dumbest dumf..k of all time, or by any of the other unsavoury and nasty name you tend to dish out. Wonders will never cease. And yes, I did buy in on Telstra and trade again, hence my recent gloat. And finally just for the record, not all of those past posts that lashed out at you were from me. Believe it or not, there were quite a few from other commentators.

    PS. My family are all happy, healthy and eating regularly.

    Great , cheers Mike. Jason -- 22/05/09 (in reply to #320137354)

    Glad I could help Mike and ditto, a lot of those you thought were me, weren't too.

    I sincerely wish you and your family well, and look forward to more intense but cordial and polite correspondences with you and others I have had run ins with.

    After all you do remember why I came here I the first place don't you? It seems to have been successful.

    Cheers.

    Telstra Charges to end line customers Anonymous -- 01/09/09

    Not being satisfied with extremely high charges to their own end line consumers,

    Telstra now wishes to load their wholesale prices to raise the deserters to cheaper ISP's to make themselves more or less competitive.

    I suppose this is one way of doing business, another would be to provide another plan which is more competitive,

    This i have been arguing with them for two years, always the same answer, "we provide more services with your plan than other ISP's",

    i do not want those extras, but that does not sway them.

    I will be glad when my contract is up, so that i can go to another ISP.

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