Nokia Australia continues to battle defective phone claims

Andrew Colley

20 November 2001 11:29 AM

Tags: nokia, lcd, screen, problems, defective

Nokia's woes over repeated claims that it's selling defective mobile handsets seem to have been compounded by a survey which suggests that 69 per cent of Nokia mobile phone owners have experienced problems with their handset's Liquid Crystal Display (LCD).

The survey, which attracted over 700 responses, was conducted by ZDNet Australia as part of an ongoing investigation into the Nokia handsets' reliability, after being flooded with comments pertaining to two reports concerning the apparent high failure rate of the mobile phones' LCD, published earlier this month.

In the first report , a mobile service centre manager gave credence to claims made by several Nokia 8210 owners who alleged that the phone's display is defective.

ZDNet Australia published a second report after contacting a former employee of Nokia who alleged that the LCD's design flaws, and the extent to which it is making itself apparent in the field, had been understood by the company for six years. The former employee's claims contradict Nokia's official statements on the issue, which maintain that the problem with the phone is not widespread when compared against the volume of Nokia phones on the market.

Nokia's stance on the issue continues to remain unchanged in all but one respect: the company declined an invitation to answer specific questions regarding the survey, instead choosing to issue a generic statement.

In addition to re-affirming the company's quality and customer service policy, the statement repeats comments the company made to ZDNet Australia in earlier reports.

"It is natural to see some products being repaired during the product lifecycle. Due to our leading market position, the absolute amount of these may appear higher than smaller brands but we are confident that in relative terms Nokia products are as good as any in the industry," the statement read, in part.

Evidence supplied to ZDNet Australia by members of the mobile phone industry and numerous Nokia customers also carry a consistent character.

"Having worked in the mobile business for four years up until last year, I can honestly say that this is true," said one reader backing allegations made in earlier reports that Nokia is aware that its phones have inherent design faults.

"I worked for a major carrier and, on some occasions, personally took handsets with customers to the now defunct (I believe) Nokia Service Centre on Elizabeth Street in Melbourne. A queue of unsatisfied customers was the norm, with the fault lying in the screen of the Nokia 5110. The fault, in nearly all cases, was a fading screen."

Despite the reader's claims that he witnessed one out of every four phones sold return to the service centre for repair, he said that Nokia and its distributor steadfastly maintained that the problem is rare, publically.

"We [carriage provider staff] could almost guarantee that a phone would be returned once sold, as the distributor would not accept returns of stock that were sitting 'on hand'," said the reader, explaining that the distributors didn't want to be burdened with excess stock that Nokia hadn't officially recalled.

The reader claimed that the Nokia Service Centre also ran out of replacement parts "on many occasions".

"We had many arguments with the Nokia Service Centre, as well as the Sydney office. I have no doubt, as do my fellow colleagues that still work in the mobile phone business, that Nokia were well aware of the common fault," said the reader.

"The screen fault 'was' common, and was a running joke within the industry. We even joked about it at a big Nokia dealer launch at Crown [Casino]," the reader said.

Like this article? Click below to send it to your mobile for free!

Advertisement

Talkback 37 comments

  1. We've now had 7 out of 10 phones fail, exactly the same problem on all of them, screen disappears. It took me three levels of Nokia management before they would repair a phone that was just outside the warranty period. When I argued that the same problem Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    We've now had 7 out of 10 phones fail, exactly the same problem on all of them, screen disappears. It took me three levels of Nokia management before they would repair a phone that was just outside the warranty period. When I argued that the same problem had occurred on all of our other handsets, and that it was clearly a manufacturing defect, of course I got the usual story... "We have a large number of handsets sold, there will naturally be some that are faulty...". When I proceeded to explain that almost everyone that I know, and 70% of the phones that were purchased for our business had problems (almost all of them exactly the same problem), they refused to agree, and became quite agitated.

    Not undermining Zdnet's credibility, but I would challenge Nokia to be involved in a third party survey to see just how wrong they really are...

  2. Nokia phones are s**t! Next phone will definately be an Ericson. Many phones of friends and collegues have been affected by the LCD screen problem. Back to the drawing board for Nokia (or in the trash). Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    Nokia phones are s**t! Next phone will definately be an Ericson.

    Many phones of friends and collegues have been affected by the LCD screen problem.

    Back to the drawing board for Nokia (or in the trash).

  3. I've had the screen replaced on both my previous phone (Nokia 6110) and my current handset (Nokia 8210). I believe Nokia's "head in the sand" attitude towards this issue is sure to drive people away from their product. To look the Australian co Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    I've had the screen replaced on both my previous phone (Nokia 6110) and my current handset (Nokia 8210). I believe Nokia's "head in the sand" attitude towards this issue is sure to drive people away from their product. To look the Australian consumer in the eye as they lie through their teeth about how widespread this fault is, is contemptuous. The competition now rivals Nokia in terms of functionality, style and certainly in terms of durability, so I for one, will be looking elsewhere for my next mobile phone upgrade.

  4. well if there is no problems why is there already 3rd party replacement available ?? see following web site http://www.lik-sang.com/catalog/product_info.php?category=13&products_id=1411& btw my 8850 has constant problems o Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    well if there is no problems why is there already 3rd party replacement available ??

    see following web site
    http://www.lik-sang.com/catalog/product_info.php?category=13&products_id=1411&

    btw my 8850 has constant problems of blank screen or weird characters,probally not helped by me smacking the s**t out of it from frustration :-)

  5. My first 8210 had 3 screens. It was not cracked, just text went everywhere. My new one has better reception ( have they turned up the power) and the screen has not changed. The screen problem is related to the phone being stressed when in a pock Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    My first 8210 had 3 screens. It was not cracked, just text went everywhere.
    My new one has better reception ( have they turned up the power) and the screen has not changed.
    The screen problem is related to the phone being stressed when in a pocket for example.

  6. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  7. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  8. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  9. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  10. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  11. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  12. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  13. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  14. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day!

  15. And I thought it was just my 8210! I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! How many others are out there? Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    And I thought it was just my 8210!

    I will now take it back and try and get something done. Surprisingly, my business partner's 8210 has been absolutely trouble-free - purchased at the same outlet on the same day! How many others are out there?

  16. I bought the 8210 thinking that it was a quality phone on the market at the time and it was offered at the right price. Well! Now I know why I got such a good deal! 13 months I got out of my "great" phone. I read the ZDNet articles, wo Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    I bought the 8210 thinking that it was a quality phone on the market at the time and it was offered at the right price.

    Well! Now I know why I got such a good deal! 13 months I got out of my "great" phone. I read the ZDNet articles, wondering what the problems were all about. Yeah! I found out pretty quickly. Only one month after my warranty expired and my LCD plays up, now no one wants to take any responsibility for fixing it!

    I am now REALLY embarrassed for recommending the 8210 to my friends. Nokia has lost my respect and recommendations.

    How can a consumer be loyal to a company when they knowingly sell goods with faults and deny them?!?!?!?!

    They can keep their heads up their own arses and see how long we put up with their BSh*t!

    Go on ZD NET rip it up them and tell them what their customers really think of them! I will be!

    ...useless bastards!

  17. It's not just the screens! Other COMMON (please - take a survey on these) problems with Nokia handsets include software failures (phone lock-ups), battery disconnections, SIM card drop-outs (resulting in a "insert SIM card" message), and other Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    It's not just the screens! Other COMMON (please - take a survey on these) problems with Nokia handsets include software failures (phone lock-ups), battery disconnections, SIM card drop-outs (resulting in a "insert SIM card" message), and other miscellaneous hardware and software related issues...
    What's with 24 month carrier contracts when the handsets don't even last 12?

  18. This comes as no surprise to me. Several(4-6) people in our IT department got 8210's about a year ago, and all have had problems (screen blanking, corrupting, etc.) I concluded just from this sample that there was a systemic problem, and tried t Bruce Rivendell -- 20/11/01

    This comes as no surprise to me. Several(4-6) people in our IT department got 8210's about a year ago, and all have had problems (screen blanking, corrupting, etc.)

    I concluded just from this sample that there was a systemic problem, and tried to tackle the Nokia help desk, but they were having none of it. "No general problem - just take your phone to a service centre". I argued but got nowhere.

    Glad to see ZDNet taking up the issue. Please keep pushing till Nokia are forced to admit the problem and come up with response plan.

  19. having had two nokia mobile phone over a period of 5 years when given the opportunity to upgrade to the 8210 at next to no cost was happy to do so within 12 months the screen was either gobblygook or blank. my son who also has a 8210 told me this is Anonymous -- 20/11/01

    having had two nokia mobile phone over a period of 5 years when given the opportunity to upgrade to the 8210 at next to no cost was happy to do so
    within 12 months the screen was either gobblygook or blank. my son who also has a 8210 told me this is a common fault has his was also faulty as was a number of friends mobiles. on return to provider phone was repaired within one week with 12 month gtee. is this a matter for consumer affairs or whatever they call themselves?

  20. My Nokia 5110 has a defective LCD screen. The screen WILL work, but only while you press it hard. Its also difficult to get repaired up here in North Queensland. I would have to send it 1100km to Brisbane. It annoys me a lot to have such a problem whi Anonymous -- 21/11/01

    My Nokia 5110 has a defective LCD screen. The screen WILL work, but only while you press it hard. Its also difficult to get repaired up here in North Queensland. I would have to send it 1100km to Brisbane. It annoys me a lot to have such a problem which effects the use of many of the phones features. PLease pass my comment on to NOKIA.

  21. I have a Nokia 6150, the and the LCD screen does not work unless you press down really hard around it, I am now devistated to hear that this problem is now rampant in the 8210 series days after upgrading, today i found out that the speaker inside the 8210 Andrew Outerbridge -- 21/11/01

    I have a Nokia 6150, the and the LCD screen does not work unless you press down really hard around it, I am now devistated to hear that this problem is now rampant in the 8210 series days after upgrading, today i found out that the speaker inside the 8210 was not working unless you press down hard on it. So i could not hear anyone speak. I managed to open the phone up and bend the two prong connectors out(on the back of the speaker) so that it could make electrical contact, that resolved the problem.

  22. I was asked to fix a friend's Nokia phone with display problems. It seems that the rubber-contact strip used to make electrical contact between the circut board and the LCD display was a bit loose. Putting pressure on one side of the phone would make th Peter Wilson -- 23/11/01

    I was asked to fix a friend's Nokia phone with display problems. It seems that the rubber-contact strip used to make electrical contact between the circut board and the LCD display was a bit loose. Putting pressure on one side of the phone would make the display come good.

  23. We have at least one with the same display problems. Anonymous -- 28/11/01

    We have at least one with the same display problems.

  24. I, like many of my friends who purchased Nokia 5110 phones a couple of years back have since purchased new phones as we were sick and tired of the screen fading for days at a time then miraculously reappearing. Anonymous -- 03/12/01

    I, like many of my friends who purchased Nokia 5110 phones a couple of years back have since purchased new phones as we were sick and tired of the screen fading for days at a time then miraculously reappearing.

  25. Nokia can not and will not admit responsibility for faults in their phones, because as soon as they do, they will be become vulnerable to lawsuits for lost business/income and a host of others. Not to mention the fact that they would have to replace tens Anonymous -- 04/12/01

    Nokia can not and will not admit responsibility for faults in their phones, because as soon as they do, they will be become vulnerable to lawsuits for lost business/income and a host of others. Not to mention the fact that they would have to replace tens or hundreds of thousands of handsets in a national or global recall. We might as well ask them to say sorry...

  26. I have an 8250 with the same problem. The phone is not even 2 months old and is in for repair Anonymous -- 15/01/02

    I have an 8250 with the same problem. The phone is not even 2 months old and is in for repair

  27. I have this failure on a 3210, 2 months out of warranty. Put it down to me for first few weeks and probably missed a warranty claim for that. Am being quoted $100-$130 for a fix!!! Stuck on a 2 year plan with no phone, paying $100-130 or buying a new phon Anonymous -- 12/02/02

    I have this failure on a 3210, 2 months out of warranty. Put it down to me for first few weeks and probably missed a warranty claim for that. Am being quoted $100-$130 for a fix!!! Stuck on a 2 year plan with no phone, paying $100-130 or buying a new phone. Wondering aloud if anyone is looking at a legal challenge on Nokia?

  28. Hi, Ever since I bought my Nokia 8210, I'm experiencing problems with it. The display fails every now and then. Then if i remove the cover, the display comes back. I see there are many likewise problems in Australia, but also here in Europe Anonymous -- 11/03/02

    Hi,

    Ever since I bought my Nokia 8210, I'm experiencing problems with it. The display fails every now and then. Then if i remove the cover, the display comes back.
    I see there are many likewise problems in Australia, but also here in Europe we are heving problems with this phone. Can somebody tell what you have done about it?

    Thanks,

    Diedjee.

  29. Hi! I'm from the Philippines and I have the same Problem with the LCD display. When I brought it to the repair shop, the Technician told me that there were a lot of 8210 owners who have the same problem and their phones were just a month old just like min Anonymous -- 02/04/02

    Hi! I'm from the Philippines and I have the same Problem with the LCD display. When I brought it to the repair shop, the Technician told me that there were a lot of 8210 owners who have the same problem and their phones were just a month old just like mine (this was his experience with new 8210). What the Techinician did was to replace the old LCD with a new one. He also told me that the new LCD is better than the old LCD because the old one has two SMT components (I think resistors) installed and the new one don't have. It cost me 600 Pesos (US $12).I hope Nokia would do something about this.

  30. Hi! I'm from the Philippines and I have the same Problem with the LCD display. When I brought it to the repair shop, the Technician told me that there were a lot of 8210 owners who have the same problem and their phones were just a month old just like min Anonymous -- 02/04/02

    Hi! I'm from the Philippines and I have the same Problem with the LCD display. When I brought it to the repair shop, the Technician told me that there were a lot of 8210 owners who have the same problem and their phones were just a month old just like mine (this was his experience with new 8210). What the Techinician did was to replace the old LCD with a new one. He also told me that the new LCD is better than the old LCD because the old one has two SMT components (I think resistors) installed and the new one don't have. It cost me 600 Pesos (US $12).I hope Nokia would do something about this.

  31. I have five Nokia phones in the family, and I am having trouble with four of them! Both our 5110s have display problems. Our 6210 has battery disconnection problems. Our 3210 has a battery life of minutes, not hours. Only our 3330, only 9 months old, Steve Swift -- 01/07/02

    I have five Nokia phones in the family, and I am having trouble with four of them! Both our 5110s have display problems. Our 6210 has battery disconnection problems. Our 3210 has a battery life of minutes, not hours. Only our 3330, only 9 months old, is still working.

    Nokia seem to have the design just right - they start to fail just out of warranty! I have tried Nokia and so far got nowhere.

    I have a message for Mr Lambeek, Nokia Australia's GM. If you contact me soon, to offer some genuine customer service to help me with my dud phones, I might still consider Nokia when I go looking for my next phones. Otherwise, I know which brand I won't be looking at. And I know which brand I won't be recommending to my friends and colleagues. At the moment, I feel very peeved with Nokia, to put it mildly.

  32. N-Gage won't connect to pc suite via blue tooth or to the audio manager via usb(with a 32mb mmc card in the phone) . . .I've got the n-gage to pair with the bluetooth program , but not to the pc suite , and when i plug in usb for the audio manager it alwa Jim Smith -- 10/11/03

    N-Gage won't connect to pc suite via blue tooth or to the audio manager via usb(with a 32mb mmc card in the phone) . . .I've got the n-gage to pair with the bluetooth program , but not to the pc suite , and when i plug in usb for the audio manager it always says no device connected . . . .I've rang nokia everyday last week and yesterday went to dick smiths and they spent 40 mins trying to connect it , they even got a new one out the the box to try and gave up in the end . . .the nokia sevice center can't check it coz they say they only check the phone side of it and not the conecting to a pc . . . .If anyone can help , plz send me an e-mail

  33. i had a 5110 fixed by out side tech he said the fading prob was due to lose contections it took him 3 mins to fix i went home got old 5110 out of the cupboard and within 10 mins i fixed it my self no charge nokia may have to rethink the monting on screen Anonymous -- 23/08/04

    i had a 5110 fixed by out side tech he said the fading prob was due to lose contections it took him 3 mins to fix i went home got old 5110 out of the cupboard and within 10 mins i fixed it my self no charge nokia may have to rethink the monting on screen thats all now both work 100 percent wont upgrade due two car with hand free kits

  34. Nokia do not live in the real world. Whenever there is a problem with one of their phones they simply deny it. I have a Nokia 1100 and this phone is clearly defective and should not be sold. The interference on this phone is amazing. Anonymous -- 28/02/05

    Nokia do not live in the real world.

    Whenever there is a problem with one of their phones they simply deny it.
    I have a Nokia 1100 and this phone is clearly defective and should not be sold. The interference on this phone is amazing.

    I informed them from day one about my problem, but they refused to do anything.

    After 4 months, I received an acknowledgemnt that there was a problem with the phone. They then subsequently lied about this fact and other facts to the CTTT.

    They have no right to be in business.

    1. Nokia Customer Service Worst Ever Experienced Pat Carthy -- 19/12/05

      Angus John, Nokia Customer Service Manager must wonder how he ever retains the title Customer "SERVICE" Manager. No wonder the rest of Nokia customer service is lousy if he, as the manager, is setting the standard. He won't return calls or respond to faxes and nor does anyone else from Harris St Ultimo/Pyrmont. I really think they just hope clients with a complaint will just get frusatrated and go away. Well guess again.

    2. Angus John John Cunningham -- 21/12/06

      It appears that 12 months later Mr John is still not returning calls, faxes or letters. I've left 7 messages for him to call me, all in a very calm manner. Their switchboard operator always seems to know that Angus has "just stepped out" and that no - he doesn't have a mobile!!! Do they think we're idiots? Customer service doesn't exist in Nokia.

  35. nokia 6288 Anonymous -- 24/01/08

    sreen also defected on nokia phone 6288 3g video i also know this is a fault because i know alot of people having the same probelm and nokia in W.A. refuses to exept responsibilty for it saying it is the way the customer treats its phone .When will nokia take the responsibility for its s**t

Add your opinion


Sponsored content

Power Centre - Content from our premier sponsors

Blogs

  • Renai LeMay MyPerfect.com.au has potential
    Victorian Web start-up My Perfect has a strong story and rationale for why it will succeed. But it has to overcome some challenges and design flaws first.
  • Array Storage infrastructure on the tender track
    For a large-scale storage project, it's not uncommon to go out to tender for the best deal — but when was the last time you had to put together a tender for a document management room?
  • Array Apple has killed the video store; will ISPs be next?
    The Olympics are nearly over, and the Australian team deserves kudos for an excellent performance all around. Yet even as the Olympic sun sets on the Bird's Nest for the last time this weekend, millions of spectators around the world will be scanning their dials in the hope of finding something else to fill their viewing hours.
  • More blogs »

Tags

Back to top

Featured