Windows Media Player 9 faces uninstall issues

Some people looking to uninstall the latest test version of Microsoft's new Windows Media Player 9 Series software may find the program is like a bad houseguest: It just won't leave.

Microsoft's latest media software doesn't include a mechanism for uninstalling the software on Windows Millennium Edition (Me) or Windows XP operating system. Typically software makers like Microsoft provide a simple means of uninstalling software--particularly software such as Media Player 9 Series that has yet to be officially released.

The software company released the public beta version last week amid much fanfare in Hollywood.

Windows Me and XP users must rely on a feature called "System Restore" to roll back their Windows installation to a time before they installed Media Player 9 Series if the want to uninstall it. The clunky alternative doesn't really remove all Windows Media Player 9 Series files and could potentially wipe out other system changes.

David Caulton, a Windows Media product manager, said the uninstall issue isn't a bug or mistake: Microsoft intended the software to work that way, and the company warns people before they install the software that it's hard to get rid of it.

"We tried to make this clear on the download page. It's the method we use to get the OS back to the previous state. As with any OS component you might upgrade, everything has to go back sequentially together. If I install Windows Media Player 9 Series beta and Office, and I roll back, that would be to a pre-Office state," said Caulton. "The more users that can be informed that's the method for going back, the better," he said.

Users running Windows 98 SE or Windows 2000 can easily uninstall the media player using the operating systems' "Add or Remove Programs" feature, a typical means of getting rid of unwanted software. This option is not available on Windows Me or XP because of the media player's deep integration into the operating systems, Caulton said.

"Windows 2000 doesn't have the issues with deep media integration into the shell, the way Windows Millennium Edition and Windows XP have," Caulton said.

"This is really an OS upgrade," Caulton said of Windows Media Player 9 Series. "If you imagine a situation with an XP user who has got all these links into media capabilities...and you updated to Windows Media Player 9 Series and removed it, all those become dead links."

Analysts said the uninstall issue will most likely cause problems.

"That will be a real big pain for folks," Gartner analyst Michael Silver said. "With beta software, problems don't just crop up the first day. If a problem crops up in two or three weeks or a month and you have to roll back, that's going to roll back whatever else you installed in the time frame."

Some people may find good reason for going back to an early version of the media player: Windows Media Player 9 Series doesn't support older portable music devices that use serial or parallel connections. Under Windows XP, the media player does not support CD burning using Roxio's popular software. These changes are documented in the product's release notes.

Another problem for Windows Me and XP users: If they're unable to use "System Restore" to roll back the system to an earlier state, they may be out of luck entirely.

"Windows Media 9 Series is still in beta, and until the final version is released, technical support is not available for these components," according to Microsoft's Windows Media support Web site. Microsoft refers users to the microsoft.public.windowsmedia.beta newsgroup for assistance.

The situation also shines yet another light on Microsoft's strategy of bundling what had been standalone products into the operating system. Until Windows Media 8, Microsoft offered a separate version of the software for other versions of Windows and some competing operating systems, such as Mac OS. But Microsoft more tightly integrated the media player into Windows XP, offering no separate download for other operating systems.

With Windows Media Player 9 Series, Microsoft appeared to fall back from that position, offering the player also for Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Me and Windows 2000. The company currently has no plans to release a separate version for the Mac OS and other operating systems for which the media player had previously been available.

Several readers contacted CNET News.com to complain about the lack of Media Player 9 Series uninstall option. Brad Spry, a US-based Webmaster, also criticised Microsoft's bundling strategy.

"Microsoft continues tying new products such as Media Player to the OS," he said. "They are 'commingling' the player so deep into Windows, the two cannot be separated. This is an intentional programming strategy. Technically, software can be programmed to be standalone, making it separate from the OS and uninstallable. However, that would be bad for (Microsoft's) business."

Gartner's Silver also didn't buy Microsoft's integration argument; particularly given the software is still testing and could cause problems on some computers.

"I'm not sure how much it is the excuse of integration vs. one of not wanting to spend the money to develop the uninstall capability," he said.

Service Pack 1 removable

On Monday, Microsoft released Windows XP Service Pack 1, the first collection of updates and bug fixes for the OS launched in October. The update, like the Windows Media Player 9 Series installation, makes changes that go deep into the operating system. But Microsoft provided an "Archive" feature with Service Pack 1 that would allow people to restore Windows XP to its previous state.

With "the service pack you can go back to the original state, why not Media Player?" Gartner's Silver asked.

To that, Windows Media product manager Caulton said, "I'm not sure what the answer to that question is, so I would hate to speculate."

Using the "System Restore" to roll back a system does not necessarily remove files Windows Media Player 9 Series places on the computer during installation--and issue that could potentially cause future problems.

According to Windows XP Help: "System Restore does not replace the process of uninstalling a program. To completely remove the files installed by a program, you must remove the program using Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel or the program's own uninstall program."

Another option would be to use the new middleware control added to Windows XP with Service Pack 1. But that feature would only hide access to the media player, rather than remove it.

"The words 'standalone' and 'uninstall' have themselves been uninstalled from Microsoft's vocabulary," Spry charged. "They have been replaced with the term 'program hiding.' Products that appear to be standalone are actually an OS upgrade."

But Caulton argued third-party software developers have come to depend on the presence of the media player in Windows, particularly XP. "If you completely remove the media components from the operating system, suddenly other apps (that) you expect to continue working suddenly stop working," he said.

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Talkback 7 comments

    After installing Windows Media ...Anonymous -- 19/09/02

    After installing Windows Media Player 9, I was disappointed to find that WMP crashes when opening any file in Microsoft's own audio format, WMA (even files encoded using WMP 9 beta).

    It's quite humorous that they obviously didn't thoroly check their own format worked, and quite annoying since I recently reencoded my entire CD collection using WMA in WMP 8.

    On the upside, MP3 works fine, so I guess I'll go back to that.

    That is soooo soooo soooo fu#* ...Lester E. Rees -- 16/04/03

    That is soooo soooo soooo fu#*ed up that there is no way at all whatsoever to uninstall Windows Media Player 9 unless you create a system restore point prior to installing WMP 9! I sure wish that I knew beforehand about this before installing Windows Media Player 9! Now, if I ever wish to uninstall Windows Media Player 9, I won't be able to! There should be a law against such crap!!!

    Lets face it, Microsoft will n ...phil -- 09/05/03

    Lets face it, Microsoft will neve change.
    They will always be a money hungry multinational monopoly in the pc world, and im sure that customer satisfaction or service has never entered their "Microsoft Ethics" Manual.
    And things just keep getting worse. I only wish i could roll-back from XP to 98.
    What will they screw up next!!!!

    It is time to force microsoft ...Anonymous -- 17/10/03

    It is time to force microsoft to comply with the decisions of the courts. If they will not comply, they should be penalized to the max!!!!

    Hi, I'm having some problems w ...robert -- 14/12/03

    Hi,

    I'm having some problems with windows media player 9 - i can't actually open it. An error message comes up that says "The file wmp.dll has a version number of 9.0.0.3008 where 9.0.0.3075 was expected. Windows Media Player is not installed properly and must be reinstalled. Do you want to install the Player from the Microsoft website?"

    So I click yes, download it, try to open it, and the same error message comes up. A vicious circle.

    I've even tried dumping the Windows Media Player program file, but it won't let me delete it.

    I have Windows Me - recently I did get some sort of kernel backdoor virus, which I got rid of using system restore. But system restore is also a bit problematic as sometimes it won't let you undo or reverse a restore point.

    What do I do? I can't open Winamp3 either, therefore I can't play any mp3's or even open the CD lens cleaner.

    I wait with baited breath...

    kind regards,

    robert

    In case you did not figure out ...Anonymous -- 26/01/04

    In case you did not figure out how to get rid of wmp9 from within xp, just execute this command line in your Start->Run window or via your dos terminal:

    RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection C:\windows\inf\wmp.inf,Uninstall

    now you can safely "integrate" media player classic, winamp or any bsplayer like into your OS without the fuzz of this huge proggie.

    Just take a look into your c:\windows\inf\ for .inf files, read their content carefully; some annoying tools could be removed this way (bye bye msn messenger).

    cheers,

    Thank you anonymous ! Your uni ...Anonymous -- 25/08/04

    Thank you anonymous ! Your uninstall method worked fine ...I AM SOOO HAPPY TO GET THAT MESS OFF MY SYSTEM ! PT

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