Recruiter: Australian IT workers neglected

The only shortage that exists in Australia's ICT landscape is insufficient assistance for jobless workers, said leading technology recruitment agency VTR Consulting.



"The interesting question is why the immigration department invites the ITCRA view on these issues without seeking counterbalancing views. ITCRA is just a pack of sales people."
-- Ian, Canberra

"There is a total lack of support for local technology workers from all quarters, including government (both state and federal), and "industry" associations such as the AIIA (Australian Information Industry Association), ITCRA (Information Technology Contract and Recruitment Association) and ACS (Australian Computer Society)," said Vincent Teubler, managing director at Melbourne-based VTR Consulting.

Teubler was responding to ITCRA's claims that the government needs to increase the number of temporary working visas to address the "skills shortage" in the ICT industry. But no such shortage exists, he says in a column exclusive to ZDNet Australia.

"Based on my experience, it's getting more and more difficult for locals to compete against foreign professionals because the barriers, within Australia, keep getting higher and higher," he said.

"It's very clear that Australian ICT workers will continue to be disappointed and if we don't care for ourselves, who will," he asked.

At a recent meeting with business leaders and Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone on the 2005-2006 Migration Program, representatives from ITCRA included two contractor management companies, which have a vested interest in a higher volume of skilled migrant visas.

"These companies [obviously] stand to benefit from any increase in foreign workers," he said.

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Talkback 34 comments

    First of all there seems to be ...Anonymous -- 22/02/05

    First of all there seems to be a confusion between lack of jobs and skills to perform that jobs. Just because we can have hundreds of builders doesnt mean all of them are capable of building multi storey buildings.

    This is the situation in the IT industry. Local developers many not have the necessary skills to compete with the experienced overseas expats. Does this mean that projects have to be stalled while the employer "trains up" locals ? Definately not! Every industry has worked in a similar fashion.

    Now does this also mean when there is a job which pays well and the contenders are a experienced expat and a non experienced local, the job should go to a local - even though the local may be

    a) a fresh graduate,
    b) non industry person,
    c) has not been working in the industry for extended periods of time ?

    If you are an employer, who wants to spend X amount of dollars in a project, which would you choose ?

    The prime issue here is skills, not manpower. Australia has more than enough manpower in the IT industry. Australia however does not have enough skilled professionals in the IT industry.

    Why ?

    - a lot of existing skilled professionals move overseas to work.
    - Australian market is typically 12-24 months behind Asia in technology uptake, so by the time professionals catch up here, the Asians have had a 24 months lead. Same with Europe and America.
    - lack of government support to induce Australia as a technology hub whereas countries like Ireland, Germany, India, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan etc continue to innovate.

    I could go on and on here. The strange thing is, my Australian colleagues in the industry dont seem to complain. They welcome the opportunity to be seen competing with overseas professionals. The only ones who are complaining is those people who never kept their skills up to date.

    So if I were to hire an IT worker, it would be the MOST suitable worker for my project, be it local or expat.

    So remember, its not a worker shortage, its a SKILL shortage.

    There's no confusion at all. Y ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    There's no confusion at all. You're arguing against a dummy that wasn't presented.

    It's a cute trick to try to marginalise your critics, but in fact those criticising the skills shortage charade include the OECD, the IEEE, the US General Accounting Office, respected senior researchers, expert software engineers and young graduates too.

    In short, people with a lot more expertise than ITCRA.

    Your claims about Australians being two years behind Asians are extraordinary, wrong and offensive. What's your evidence for this? The Australians I know are world leaders.

    If your claim was true, why would Asian students flock to Australian universities, and why would Australians gain jobs overseas?

    The prime issue certainly is skills. You claim there are local deficiencies, but recruiters are notoriously poor at understanding skills, and out of date. Perhaps you could cite some independent evidence of skill shortages?

    Your understanding of international innovation is amateurish and wrong. I will discuss this in more detail later.

    The issue for Australia is that vested interests have been allowed to manipulate policy. Not only are those interests self serving, they are amateurish and come from the ranks of second raters.

    Tony Healy randall magliozzi -- 01/09/06 (in reply to #120113625)

    I'm trying to track you down. This is Randall from the US, formerly with Microsoft. You can email me at randall_magliozzi@hotmail.com. You worked for austrade I believe. If anyone is in touch with Tony, please tell him Randall is trying to reach him.

    By the way, it's instructive t ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    By the way, it's instructive to compare the way a real professional society treats this issue, compared with the bumbling incompetence of the Australian Computer Society (ACS).

    Here is how the IEEE responds to issues that affect professionals in America.

    http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/issues/H1bvisa/index.html

    Perhaps the ACS could explain exactly who it represents when the president is a recruiter and the vice president is a lawyer?

    Tom, Perhaps if you actually s ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Tom,
    Perhaps if you actually spent time researching "outside" Australia you might actually see how backward this country really is. Its a well known fact that we lag behind in everything including broadband while countries like Taiwan and Korea are leading the world.

    Its sad that you cannot see past your xenophobia but its understandable. If you cannot even comprehend the facts that I presented I dont know how much more information I can provide.

    Its a good thing that the IT industry itself is pretty good in judging skills. Contrary to popular belief, expats are definately not cheap labour. They get paid above average industry wages for thier skills.

    Unfortunately its people like you who equate the skills of a person who has for example four years in Microsoft .Net technologies and someone who did a TAFE course on it.

    No employer wants to "train up" a TAFE grad on a critical project. They want someone who can hit the ground running and they are willing to pay for it.

    So perhaps its time to put aside your xenophobia and dig your head out of the sand because the way Australia treats skilled overseas professionals is the same way Australian professionals be treated elsewhere.

    Oh by the way, I own a small multinational company and I travel frequently for projects so I definately know what I am talking about Mr. Researcher

    "Oh by the way, I own a s ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    "Oh by the way, I own a small multinational company and I travel frequently for projects so I definately know what I am talking about Mr. Researcher"

    ahh spoken with true uppr management bravado... your name's not david brent or bill lumberg by any chance?

    tony your spot on....

    personally my best advice is for anyone considering a "career" in the IT industry is to get your head read.

    do a trade and consider the comparitive benefits -

    * spare yourself a considerable hex debt and jus t contend with an apprenticeship rather than go to univeristy.. hey at least your gettign paid in that time rather than rackign up a hecs debt.

    * frequent tax free cash in hand work.

    * get paid when you finish the work rather than waiting 60-90-whenever days to actually get paid if your a contractor...

    * not have to constantly spend you spare time researching and keeping up to date with tech/product changes when your scumbag employers refuse to pay for training

    * spend your nights/weekends with your girlfriend/family etc really living rather than having to study or being forced to work after hours at the only time system changes can be made or learn how to work aroudn the kludges/bugs in dodgy software.

    * not have to deal with the imcompetent rejects in recrutiment/sales who flock to those positions because they cant cut it technically...

    etc etc

    Dear Consultant, please don't ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Dear Consultant, please don't accuse me of xenophobia. My criticisms are of the parasites in Australia that gouge and undermine our profession and our country, and exploit hardworking people from overseas while they're at it.

    My work is international. It is on that basis I make my observations about Australia.

    By the way, I wouldn't actually consider four years of .Net to be a strong credential. Neither would I discount a Tafe graduate. Remarkable people arise from many backgrounds.

    What is clear is that Australia needs to wake up.

    Bill, IT is for skilled profes ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Bill, IT is for skilled professionals who can spend their time keeping their skills up to date. They are not for bludgers who think that its their right to get training. The best consultants out there are the ones who are self taught. I think its about time you guys got out of the "dole queue" mentality and come to the real world.

    I worked my way up in the industry and now I own my own company. Sure my employers didnt train me. Did I care ? No. I took it upon myself to learn new things. The good thing is, I never once was out of a job because of my skills. Oh yes, every job I applied for was real. Just because some of you buggers dont cut it for a job doesnt mean it doesnt exist! It means you dont qualify or lack "skills".

    Yes, if you couln't care being a bricklayer or an IT person, this industry isnt for you. The days of every person who has ever seen a computer getting five figure salaries is over. Now its for skilled people. So skill up or shut up.

    Oh yeah, just because you have a "degree" doesnt mean that you have "skills". If you think you do, you might want to get your head out of your arses!

    skills Anonymous -- 22/02/06 (in reply to #120113632)

    Just because you know .NET or have an MCSE doesn't mean you have skills either.

    .NET is simply a tool. Your experience with it may be significant or not. You may have an apttitude for using the tool, you may be proficient or even skilled at using the tool...but you may still be an unskilled programmer.

    The skill (in this example) is the programming, and the ability to apply the tool to produce the solution required by the users. Skilled programmers can do this regardless of the tool used.

    Tony, If you really have work ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Tony,
    If you really have worked overseas you know whats missing here. There is no exploitation. There is just too many people who think they deserve a job just because they happened to be in Australia. Just because they are here doesnt mean they are skilled. Just means they have worked in the industry. Thats all. And just because you happen to live in Australia doesnt automatically qualify for a job that you dont have skills in.

    Goes to show how closed minded researchers are! Perhaps its a good time to take up .Net.

    During the last three years I ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    During the last three years I have worked only 18 months, the strain on my partner, my wallet and myself has been immense. Try explaining to a bank that you’re not a high risk for a home loan (they’re not interested).

    As someone who has been in the industry for over ten years I appreciate the need to keep skills up to date BUT, there’s a big difference between ongoing professional development and spending all your spare time studying. I for one cannot afford thousands in industry courses while not working. In the past however I have happily reached mutually satisfactory arrangements with employers such that THEY get a reasonable return on OUR investment. Any sensible employer will appreciate the value of mutually beneficial (technical and non technical) training AND a sensible work/life balance.

    For ‘anonymous’ people to suggest that unemployed IT people have a ‘dole queue mentality’ is so absurd as to nearly be funny. I will not lower my self to their level of abusive post but think those who hide behind anonymity to peddle the industry line should not be taken seriously. And don’t get me started on the recruitment industry.......

    Well Charles, The issue here i ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Well Charles,
    The issue here is not your mortgage or employers "investing". Its about work that needs to be done and the skills required to do it. Thats it! What is happening here is, people are saying "Hey, here is an Australian dude, he should be "trained" to do that job, while the project is allowed to slip.

    Employers, meanwhile are thinking, here is my work to be done, I want a person to "hit the ground running" and complete the work as quickly as possible saving me money.

    See the difference ? Take it from a guy who has been in the industry for enough years and always worked. If you depend on the employers to train you or bits of paper saying that you have learnt off text books, you dont deserve a job.

    You should be taking it upon yourself to be at the edge of the technology. If you cannot afford to do it or wont spend the time and the effort on it - well you dont belong in this industry. Period.

    A lot of my mates who are some of the top consultants and practitioners of the fine art of IT feel the same way.

    People who whinge about training are the ones who are unsure of their skills and rightfully employers dont want them. If you cannot "hit the ground running", you are no use.

    So rightfully, the "skills" shortage exists because there are enough people who lack the skills who are depending on employers to "skill" them up.

    This roughly translates to "warming up" seats in many people's books because just because an employer takes the chance to train you doesnt mean that you can do the job. So might as well look for people who can do it from the beginning!

    Get it ?

    I am not saying recruitment industries are full of pricks. All i am saying dont confuse "skill" and "manpower". You are talking about manpower. I am talking about skills.

    Sydney consultant, I agree wit ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Sydney consultant, I agree with you that top people keep learning, and that incompetent people should not be placed in jobs. There is no argument about that.

    The issue is that people who have kept learning or who are otherwise capable of doing the job superbly find themselves out of work or underemployed while there are actually jobs available.

    The reason is that those jobs are not available to locals because labour hire firms find it more profitable to place overseas workers in them. That is the issue.

    It is a problem that is most prominent in IT because of the high margins and the ease with which the labour hire industry has been able to undermine professional representation in IT.

    For example, the accounting body recently complained that accounting lecturers aren't paid enough. It doesn't complain about skill shortages. Contrast that with what the ACS does.

    Tony, I think you are making * ...Anonymous -- 23/02/05

    Tony, I think you are making ****umptions with old information. There has been immigration changes in that dont allow simple overseas guys working on 457s anymore along with management companies anymore. 457ers have to be directly. So basically means that 457ers have to work directly with employers to its difficult as compared to before for recruiters to make money this way.

    Having said that, and having many colleagues in the industry, none of them have this issue of losing jobs even though their skills were up to date before. More often than not we do find IT workers who still think VB6 is cutting edge and have refused to skill up out of a job because mainly the industry has moved on to technology like .Net

    That is the reality. Ask any IT worker who IS EMPLOYED, they will tell you a different story.

    BTW, the overseas professionals I know, are not cheap labour, most if not all earn on par or MORE than locals because of their "skills".

    Anonymous, the changes you ref ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Anonymous, the changes you refer to were hobbled by ITCRA. DIMIA originally intended to make some serious changes but ITCRA managed to stop that while letting DIMIA pretend they had done something. I will be writing more on this soon.

    On the issue of employed workers not complaining, I'm sure that's true. But unemployed workers have equal rights and we need to be talking to them too.

    A very good introduction to these issues is provided by Prof Norman Matloff in <a href="http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=238"><i>Viewpoint: Globalization and the American IT worker</i></a>,
    Communications of the ACM Volume 47, Number 11.

    That reference is "Viewpo ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    That reference is "Viewpoint: Globalization and the American IT worker", Communications of the ACM Volume 47, Number 11.

    http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=238

    Tony, unemployed workers will ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Tony, unemployed workers will always complain. Why do you think our countries dole queue is so long and we pay so high taxes ? And yet they complain.

    I can understand if someone is unemployed for a couple of months. But for 18 months ??? To tell me that you are so uncapable to get a job !!!

    And what are these people waiting for ? So some employer can hire them, pay them a salary and train them into a job that they are not capable or qualify for in the first place ? How sure would the employer be that these buggers are not seat warmers ?

    Go to any government agency, you'll see what I mean. People sitting in their 'secure' jobs 'training' to be dinosaurs. The moment some sort of retrenchment happens they're all rooted and the complaining starts.

    "Give me a job, I'm Australian so I am *skilled* by default!"

    My god, what has the industry resorted to - a nation of beggers !!!

    And dont get me started on universities. Churning out useless graduates with bits of paper thinking the world owes them a job...

    Anonymous, I ****ume the comme ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Anonymous, I ****ume the comment about not working for 18 months was aimed at me. For the record it was not all at once – It was broken up with a number of short-term contracts that included training as well as some hard earned and much needed holiday.

    You said “If you depend on the employers to train you or bits of paper saying that you have learnt off textbooks, you don’t deserve a job” and later went on to say that universities “Churning out useless graduates with bits of paper thinking the world owes them a job...“

    Is this not the cl****ic catch 22? You can’t get a job without experience and you can’t get experience until you get a job. If bits of paper aren’t worth anything and employers shouldn’t be expected to provide training just how do you suggest someone position themselves better in the market.

    IT is not the only industry trying to answer this question - An article in the Age (http://theage.com.au/news/Breaking-News/Guest-workers-wont-fix-problem-union/2005/02/24/1109180013875.html) “Amanda Vanstone told the National Press Club, she was considering a National Farmers' Federation (NFF) proposal to create a guest worker category to help ease a labour shortage for rural industries.” Understandably the Unions are not too happy about the idea. Why doesn’t the ACS or the ITCRA take a similar stance?

    This ideological argument affects all employees in nearly every industry and therefore affects society and the economy. Thanks Tony for the link. The article applies to IT at the moment but other industries are or will soon be in the same situation. If short-term greed wins out over a long-term approach to dealing with the skills shortages we (Australia) will be in a much worse position.

    When will the ever-increasing pressure to generate just that little bit more money be balanced by the longer-term benefits of a coordinated approach to up skilling and the needs of society as a whole?

    BTW Anonymous, I am not waiting to be paid as a seat warmer. Like many I have a demonstrated ability but stand little chance in a market place where I am competing against millions of others some of whom are able provide their services for very low cost only to be dumped when they have done their job to be replaced by another low paid worker.

    Anonymous, it's a common probl ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Anonymous, it's a common problem in the IT workforce that professionals will gang up on their colleagues and condemn them, in a misguided impression that it bolsters their own standing.

    It doesn't. It just makes it easier for other groups to profit from and exploit highly trained, talented people.

    If you are good, then you probably should be getting a lot more than you currently are, and would get in a balanced market. You don't because groups like the labour hire industry farm the IT industry.

    I might point out that it is good to see honest recruiters speaking out. Reform of the industry would help honest recruiters.

    Anonymous, better shed some ar ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Anonymous, better shed some arrogance. IT industry isnt showing a positive trend in Australia and thats a fact. Grievances of IT people are not baseless. Do we have an answer to outsourcing IT to third world sweat shops and how more IT jobs can be generated in Australia.

    Anonymous, better shed some ar ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Anonymous, better shed some arrogance. IT industry isnt showing a positive trend in Australia and thats a fact. Grievances of IT people are not baseless. Do we have an answer to outsourcing IT to third world sweat shops and how more IT jobs can be generated in Australia.

    Anonymous, where are you from, ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Anonymous, where are you from, you dont seem to be Australian? no surprise you dont feel any sympathy for the situation of locals with respect to employment.

    Its time we emulate our cricke ...Anonymous -- 24/02/05

    Its time we emulate our cricket team and show the world what we are capable of. Bring some Aussie spirit into IT.

    Stop immigration for IT workers alltogether. What communiation skills thay have? none, cant even speak good english.

    After all these years, for a c ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    After all these years, for a country that is full of migrants, there is all these xenophobia! "They are stealing our jobs","They can't speak english". Guess we are back to the days of White Australia policy! Guess what, the average migrant worker in IT has a better command of English than the average Australian and they are better educated too. '

    Go back to your hole!

    Its not white Policy Anonymous ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    Its not white Policy Anonymous, its about national interest, which is none of your concern. Even USA changed its policy with regards skilled immigration from time to time. The point is to stop immigration of IT workers to protect local IT industry where there is no shortage of people, may be skill shortage to minor extent, temporarily, with some thrust on training that can be sorted out.

    Sure, Anonymous. Sounds like y ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    Sure, Anonymous. Sounds like you really know what you're talking about.

    All this bitter affect, sheesh ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    All this bitter affect, sheesh. The old days are gone for ever. IT skills have been commoditised, globally. Soon the Chinese will be roasting the Indian outsourcers, and the same whining will be posted to Indian boards. Your cheese has moved. Deal with it.

    All this bitter affect, sheesh ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    All this bitter affect, sheesh. The old days are gone for ever. IT skills have been commoditised, globally. Soon the Chinese will be roasting the Indian outsourcers, and the same whining will be posted to Indian boards. Your cheese has moved. Deal with it.

    You're right. The old days cer ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    You're right. The old days certainly are gone. Those are the days when dills in suits would tell the government what to do and the government would just do it.

    These days, people are calling you on your dodgy claims. Hope you've got your retirement sorted out, Evil. Hey, play your cards right and you could land a gig with an Indian firm.

    Anonymous consultant, you rais ...Anonymous -- 25/02/05

    Anonymous consultant, you raise an interesting point about Xenophobia, but you are way off point.

    It's about pushing the industry back to normal, it really sucks doing years of university to find to find no work.

    University did well, I was given a thorough background in Computer Science, for example I knew Database concepts but I didn't know Oracle - that took me about 3 months to figure out, after knowing the theory I surprised people - Managers, HR recruiters, even myself.

    > No employer wants to "train up" a TAFE grad on a critical project...

    Every project is critical, and no one has had time to train anybody, or give anyone an opportunity...this is the reason for the shortage!

    Think I'm kidding...7 years ago an Accountant friend told me to "get into SAP...it's big", yep it is big, but unless you are already in SAP, there is NO opportunity to learn it. I tried. Every SAP project has been "mission critical" and it is VERY difficult to get an opportunity to work with it.

    In the end, everyone looks for the Government for handout's, they're is only so much the government can and will do!

    Dear Sir/Madam, I sent some co ...Anonymous -- 07/03/05

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I sent some comments before from "Simon Cullen", but did not fill in the fields below.

    I do so now.

    The federal governments' propo ...Anonymous -- 07/03/05

    The federal governments' proposal to allow significant numbers of IT people entry to Australia to cope with an alleged IT skills shortage shows a near total lack of understanding of industry economics. It seems the federal government is of the view that the objective should be the lowest possible wage cost to firms employing IT staff.

    A national economy consists of the whole (employees, those entering the workforce, employers), not just some parts (employers). If the federal governments' policy of pushing down wage and contract rates for IT staff is realised, will many locals be encouraged to undertake the commitment and cost of IT studies? If the government continues along its' path, there will be a continual shortage of local IT skills, low paid IT professionals, many unemployed or underemployed IT qualified Australians and non-IT qualified Australians who might otherwise have undertaken the cost and commitment to attain IT qualifications.

    Australian firms complain it is expensive to employ local IT graduates. In fact rates paid in Australia for IT staff are among the lowest in the industrialised world.

    Young Australian aspiring professionals commonly leave for overseas to practise their chosen trade or vocation because opportunities are not as available locally. It is hard to see this trend changing, particularly given recent record levels of emmigration (people leaving Australia permanently), despite recent (real ?) economic growth.

    Immigration and other important policy should be considered in the wider context of the long term national interest rather than in satisfying the short term financial interest of powerful groups.

    I sympathize with the bitter s ...Anonymous -- 08/03/05

    I sympathize with the bitter sentiments, but the more important issue at hand is how the situation can be improved. Below are my 2 cents based on my limited knowledge - Constructive criticisms are most welcome. (sorry it's a big read, I tried to be brief and not to repeat anyone's post)

    Quoting from a recent article from Informaiton Age:
    http://www.infoage.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1845227613;fp;16;fpid;0

    Beyond all the factors covered in the previous section (which deals with market environments which hinder Small to Medium Business development), the main reason so many Australian IT companies have failed to gain sufficient volume to become midsize or larger companies that export products and services is because of several impediments to the growth of IT startups in Australia.

    (You may want to skip down the article and start reading from "The impediments to Australian IT industry development" and the bolded points. The article has groups of dot points squashed together in a paragraph? Great scott..)

    IMHO big outsourcers in foreign countries are successful because of one or more of the following:

    A) Huge population with low-cost labor
    B) Highly specialized skills (Can also be read as efficiency)
    C) Competence in exporting IT products/services

    Take China or India for example. Both would probably satisfy all three conditions, and China especially is known to be exporting products all over the world. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we're missing. The 'Buy Australian' slogan is noble, but a lot more can be gained by selling our stuff overseas. Apart from offering government contracts to local suppliers, shouldn't we look to enhancing our export capabilities?

    Another alternative of course is to attract foreign IT organisations to invest here, which has fewer risks and almost immediate results in terms of job growth. I am guessing that's what the government is aiming for - By inviting (er, importing) highly skilled overseas workers to provide the *RIGHT* skills (and hopefully training) for us, we can yet project the image that we're still relatively skilled and low-cost to the big boys in the US and Europe. And even to the outsourcers in India/China - While we still have the advantage of being seasoned professionals in project management and show-and-tell. Them be the geeks and we be the sleeks I say.

    I dream of the day when the government starts getting great IT entrepreneurs to migrate, but that's a pie in the sky scenario I guess.

    (On the topic of training) Yes working in IT involves a lot of self-learning (as with a lot of other jobs), the only sad thing is that you can never have a good IT (technical) certificate that will make you more employable (unless you've worked with the tech), so it's better to learn things from home. Better still, get the government to selectively subsidise IT training to employers hiring IT staff... probably too much to hope for from the same guys who want to dumb down kids to year 10 levels for trades jobs rather than subsidising.

    The ACS cert sounds a bit better and more timeless (all soft skills), $550 per subject for unemployed ACS members :) But of course the question is, how good is the teaching? Anyone?

    Best of luck to all IT job seekers out there!

    bleep Bongo the Clown -- 15/10/09

    Its funny that may think working in a call centre qualifies as IT work.
    Kind of like a kid shacking fries at McD's calling himself a Chef.
    Companys complaining of skill shortages. Should have factored training into that business plan.
    The real issue is managerialism, too many MBA's screwing up and getting positions with no credible experience other than a piece of paper mummy and daddy paid for.
    The responsibility is with the business to train its work force.

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