Offtrack legal proceedings on track

Emotions are still running high, with punters having to wait another six months for the next round of legal action against the promoters of a horse race betting software program.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) told ZDNet Australia today that it's -keeping its eye on what's happening elsewhere in the industry".

The ACCC is putting its case together for the trial, which is scheduled for September 2.

The temporary injunctions it obtained in September last year against the promoters of the horse betting software program -- profusely referred to as Offtrack or Bankers' Choice -- remain in force. This injunction prevents them from representing the software in a way that the competition watchdog alleges is -misleading and deceptive".

The promoters, Gold Coast-based Solutions Software International, two related companies formerly known as Acepark and Offtrack Investments, and former company directors Robert James Price and William Greig Millar, allegedly targeted -vulnerable people" with claims the software could predict the outcomes of horse races, according to earlier ACCC statements.

Touted as an investment program, not a gambling system, punters were promised high returns by working part-time or from home. Many paid up to AU$12,500 for the software after being told existing users were making between AU$4,000 and AU$8,000 per month on a program that had a success strike rate of between 70 and 95 percent, the ACCC claimed at the time.

Discussion has been rife amongst ZDNet readers, with many disputing the integrity of the program and claiming to have been ripped off.

-I have had Offtrack for four years and yet to make one dollar," one company director from Auckland, New Zealand who calls himself a -broke investor", told ZDNet Australia.

A retired couple from Melbourne, who refer to themselves as -two mugs", also call the software a rip-off. -We too bought Offtrack and had the same bad experiences with the program as others. We found it impossible to pin down the criteria for selecting the winning graph. In the end, we realised it was probably a rip-off. Goodbye, AU$10,000-plus bets."

Other ZDNet readers swear by the program and vilify the competence of those punters who have been unsuccessful.

"I have been using Bankers' Choice [the software] for some time now and have had success. If you are unable to operate the programme, start training. This program works. Stop blaming, Banker's Choice for your incompetence," said Geoff Wood, who describes himself as a -happy punter" from New Zealand.

Another ZDNet reader, Rosemary Hearle from Perth, is also an advocate of the software, claiming to have spent two hours a day for five months studying the information, teachings and workings of the program. -...working on a criteria with enormous self-discipline without even a bet, certainly helped me. I have never had a free lunch, and do not expect because I pay for a software program that it is a licence to make money...I am a very grateful participant," she said.

Another New Zealand-based user of the program, who purchased it back in February 1999, describes similar success. -For the first 18 months I broke even. Over the next year I realised that discipline is very, very important. I then did quite well and was making more per hour with Offtrack than I was at work...I do not want the ACCC to remove a financial cornerstone from my portfolio. Stopping the software updates would be as detrimental to my situation as purchasing and ineffectively using the software has been to others," he said.

The ACCC could not explain the recent wave of discussion over the controversial software, but said it gets about three calls a week from consumers on the matter and described it as -definitely" a hot topic.

The Commission is seeking permanent injunctions, refunds of the purchase price of the program to affected consumers, corrective advertising, and the implementation of trade practices compliance programs and costs.

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  1. Who cares, Price will go to jail and nobody will get a cent. Ripped off -- 12/03/02

    Who cares, Price will go to jail and nobody will get a cent.

  2. to win money with bankers choice is not as easy as it seems but it does improve your knowledge of the betting ring and astute punters keep a close eye on this.Horse people know when there horses are ready and fit and back them and with bankers choice thi Richie Obers -- 22/03/02

    to win money with bankers choice is not as easy as it seems but it does improve your knowledge of the betting ring and astute punters keep a close eye on this.Horse people know when there horses are ready and fit and back them and with bankers choice this information is visable to the astute punter who backs combinations rather than looking for the big one to come in .I know the secret of winning horses and It aint LUCK its FITTNESS AND BALANCE and by assessing class and fittness you will get a basic grounding of what horses are FORWARD.This is where this software shines as it will show you the real live dividend changes on all of the runners now is the time to invest on a race depends on practice and having experiance in the art of the BET.HOW YOU BET IS AN ART FORM and it takes much practice to train the old brain to learn the art of betting but the boxed quinellq is a good bet as it lets you pick a combination for cheap .remember bet small but think tall

  3. I have purchased the offtrack program in 2000 and have not seen a RED RAZOO from the so called investment program since purchase.A total waste of money and yes I was gulible enough to buy it but I expect the jolly program to work and capitalise my on inve Peter Glavich -- 10/04/02

    I have purchased the offtrack program in 2000 and have not seen a RED RAZOO from the so called investment program since purchase.A total waste of money and yes I was gulible enough to buy it but I expect the jolly program to work and capitalise my on investment

  4. I have personally owned this software and it certainly deserves to be burnt.In reguards to Geoff and Rosmary who claim to have success and as Rosmary said herself she has put lots of time into trying to get it to work ,time that could be used at a job or Anonymous -- 14/04/02

    I have personally owned this software and it certainly deserves to be burnt.In reguards to Geoff and Rosmary who claim to have success and as Rosmary said herself she has put lots of time into trying to get it to work ,time that could be used at a job or business,but thats 10000 your down to start with and the unearnt unproductive hours you put in.

    ( Remember that they said youd be making at least $4000/week minimum and it had what I was told 90% success).The point is that its false advertising and blatent lying.Not to mention the company having such a rude arrogant director,Rob Price.Just put 2&2 together.

    Its Ok for me ,I still have many years of making money ahead without dealing with dodgey companys but it certainly isnt fair when older people have been ripped off.I tried hard to make it to work and even studying beforehand but it is just too inconsistent and you have to be doing 2 million things at once in the last minute.Not to mention delays that are common with internet connections.

    CERTAINLY DESERVES EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING TO THEM and thats fine Rosmary and Geoff if you want to keep yours,But for the rest of us,WE want our money back

  5. We purchased this program in 2000 and have been thru the trainings with 'Robbie' a so called offtrack program trainer. They came across as honest people but we were sucked dry of our funds. If someone could tell me (or post their address on the net) Anonymous -- 26/05/02

    We purchased this program in 2000 and have been thru the trainings with 'Robbie' a so called offtrack program trainer. They came across as honest people but we were sucked dry of our funds.
    If someone could tell me (or post their address on the net) where 'Price' and 'Robbie' and their families live, I will settle it myself.

    They WILL pay soon.

  6. In reply to anonymous: Price is living in a rented house at Broadbeach Waters off Cypress Drv. He drives a new silver Mitsubishi Pajero so does his daughter Nicky. Give Up -- 08/06/02

    In reply to anonymous:
    Price is living in a rented house at Broadbeach Waters off Cypress Drv. He drives a new silver Mitsubishi Pajero so does his daughter Nicky.

  7. hi my name is john and together with my son paul we purchased the offtrack program about 2 years ago. I have to admit that we were sucked in by people constantly ringing us up and telling us that we were purchasing a ticket to riches. After purchasin Anonymous -- 28/06/02

    hi my name is john and together with my son paul we purchased the offtrack program about 2 years ago. I have to admit that we were sucked in by people constantly ringing us up and telling us that we were purchasing a ticket to riches.
    After purchasing the program and getting four lessons on how to use it we trialed the program for about 3 months on paper to see how we went. We were not very suceesful in that period and we followed all the insructions that they had given us on how to use it. We telephoned them and told them what we did and they were not very helpful. We continued to trial it for another month and the same thing happened. We telephoned them again and told them and they said there was nothing we could do to help us. We were not very happy with the response but we attempted to make money on the program. After about a year and $10000 dollars we decided to call it quits. We will never purchase another program like that ever again. We have had more telephone calls from other companies which i have never heard of that promise us the same as offtrack and i ask them whether we can have the program on trial for ashort period of time and they always refuse.

    thank you

  8. Well l purchased to offtrack program in July 2000. At a cost of $10,000. An amount of money that anyone would consider significant as l certainly did. l actually took out a loan for this amount plus another $2,000 to start up my tab accounts. Dominic Kinsella -- 04/07/02

    Well l purchased to offtrack program in July 2000.
    At a cost of $10,000. An amount of money that anyone would consider significant as l certainly did. l actually took out a loan for this amount plus another $2,000 to start up my tab accounts.
    Now l thought l was careful about this, l studied all the information l could get, had numerous phone conversations with a number of the companies representatives and even went to a guys place in Melbourne for a demonstration.
    So l brought the program very much based around the fact that they assured me of a very high success rate as long as l was patient and followed the procedures.
    Now it has been two years and l have finally had enough. The truth is l should have stopped a long time ago but l could'nt bring myself to let such a big investment go. But the facts are it does not work like they claimed and l have been very careful to follow their instructions as well as trying different approaches.
    I am still paying off a program that is not what Offtrack and then later Bankers Choice claim it to be. I have wasted the $10,000 that l am still paying off (so the real cost would be much higher)
    the $2,000 in my tab accounts plus much more than l have added over the 2yrs is gone and l have literally spent thousands of hours using the program and trying to make a success of it. So the true cost is very high and l am shamed to admit that l have tried so hard yet gotten nothing in return.
    Now l can honestly say that the program does work sometimes, l would during my paper trading sometimes get great results often for days in a row but then l would see day after day of losses.
    The end result l wold have to say was that it was generally pure coincedence that the program was picking these winners/places because there was just no long term stability and l get never strung more than maybe a few days of success together. Therefore if l had been betting for real l would have had a few wins sometimes quite good ones but over a period of time my losses would have been huge. I did try on a number of occassions actually betting, but my $2,000 plus the extra l put in didn't last long at all.
    Originally l did purchase the program as Offtrack and then later l was fortunate enough l though at the time to be given an upgrade to Bankers Choice when the company l was told changed hands. Alarm bells did ring at the time but because l still had something to work with and l guess because of my original outlay l continued trying to make a success, now with the Bankers Choice program.
    I have had to upgrade and download info a number of times and generally that was never a problem and although l was never able to speak to anyone on the phone (in the beginning this was not a problem, but for some reason a few months later the phone number l had was no longer available and could not find out why) l was usually able to access their website and they would usually answer my emails although sometimes this took quite a few days.
    Now l was believe or not still using the program up until about a week ago, trying any new approach l could think of jsu to see if l could at least get something out of it. l had to do a complete system restore on my computer because of a virus therefore l needed to download the program again off the Bankers Choice website. BUT I CAN'T. For some reason everytime l have tried their download server is unavailable and l have sent numerous emails to their support email address but have received no reply. So it looks like all the rumours l have heard and read are true. And even though l stupidly gave them the benefit of the doubt for so long and wasted so much money, time and effort now l cannot even get a reply. I believe that the program does have some merits as possibly do a number of other programs out there, but the truth is the program does not work anywhere near as well as they claimed or as well as a number of their representatives told me over and over again.
    And l challen

  9. Yep, it's me again. Bitten by bankerschoice. I purchased this stupid thing last year in September 2001. Terrible thing is that they were already in the watched and sold me the program using the same lies and tactics. Me, well, I get to get no money back f Angelique Combrink -- 10/09/02

    Yep, it's me again. Bitten by bankerschoice. I purchased this stupid thing last year in September 2001. Terrible thing is that they were already in the watched and sold me the program using the same lies and tactics. Me, well, I get to get no money back from these scammers. My life has been absolutely dumped upside down because of it. I thought I was stupid. I nearly committed suicide over this as I thought I really must be a dunce. Well, I just checked the web and there I saw the postings by other people. Thank heavens for that. I knew I wasn't the idiot. I complained to the ACCC, ASIC,dept of Fair Trading. Guess what I have to get my money back by going for the sharks myself. It will be a good idea, if anymore of you are interested, we could do a class action against them. It will cost me too much money to get a lawyer at the cost of $275 per hour. By the time they have finished working it will be $11 000 I already threw down the toilet. Just three weeks ago, I thought, what the hell, I'll give the stupid program a chance. Something went wrong with it. I also tried to get the latest download, wrote emails to Bankerschoice. They did not return my emails. I also have a program called Dynamic Share Trader, by the same crowd mind you. I cannot even contact them. ( Its also a piece of rubbish). If anyone wants to seriously end this and get some money bacdk, email me on angecombrink@optusnet.com.au

  10. Hi, yes was sucked in by Bankers Choice and I have sent them numerous emails, but they have not replied to any of these. I did get in touch with ACCC and they said I had to wait until thecourt case in September before anything could be done. I have he mary Cavill -- 11/09/02

    Hi, yes was sucked in by Bankers Choice and I have sent them numerous emails, but they have not replied to any of these. I did get in touch with ACCC and they said I had to wait until thecourt case in September before anything could be done. I have heard nothing since. I was just searching on the net and thought I would see if there were any further things going on with Solutions Software, and found this site. So I thought I would make a comment. The whole thing stinks. It is a rip off. I was told that I could make enough money to do what I wanted to do. That is was so easy to use the program. That it is user friendly, and that about 80% of the picks would come in. Rubbish. I would win a bit and lose the rest. It went down more than it went up even though I was very careful with the criteria. It has made me very wary of these types of programs.

  11. Hi, yes was sucked in by Bankers Choice and I have sent them numerous emails, but they have not replied to any of these. I did get in touch with ACCC and they said I had to wait until thecourt case in September before anything could be done. I have he mary Cavill -- 11/09/02

    Hi, yes was sucked in by Bankers Choice and I have sent them numerous emails, but they have not replied to any of these. I did get in touch with ACCC and they said I had to wait until thecourt case in September before anything could be done. I have heard nothing since. I was just searching on the net and thought I would see if there were any further things going on with Solutions Software, and found this site. So I thought I would make a comment. The whole thing stinks. It is a rip off. I was told that I could make enough money to do what I wanted to do. That is was so easy to use the program. That it is user friendly, and that about 80% of the picks would come in. Rubbish. I would win a bit and lose the rest. It went down more than it went up even though I was very careful with the criteria. It has made me very wary of these types of programs.

  12. O.k then, --- Peter here and unsure who will read this now that proceedings have been completed. - It is now mid September and I have been told 17 people have their money back and offtrack are out of business, and that is all that has happened. So let me Peter -- 15/09/02

    O.k then, --- Peter here and unsure who will read this now that proceedings have been completed. - It is now mid September and I have been told 17 people have their money back and offtrack are out of business, and that is all that has happened. So let me get this right --- 17 of the biggest losers who complained and went to trial get their money back, and evryone else loses the program without a refund. --- thanx a lot LOSERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Is there a rally of support to take these people to small claims court to retrieve reimbursements 4 the program that is no longer available to the poeple who were successful on it???Apparently the case that has just closed can be used as a precedent to a small claim.
    If so lets organise one!!!
    Once again - to all the idiots who couldn't get it together - hope u win the lotto cos' you are a pack of wash-outs who cost me my program!!!!!
    Anyone thinking of further action, for what it's worth, get back to me.

  13. The scamming **** got away with it. No charges pressed. ****ed off -- 09/11/02

    The scamming **** got away with it.
    No charges pressed.

  14. My wife and I purchased the Offtrack Investments programme in 2000. We were amazed initially at what amounts we were winning while making paper bets only (in other words training bets). The moment we hooked onto NETBET and went "Live" we did abi Jem Belcher -- 07/06/03

    My wife and I purchased the Offtrack Investments programme in 2000. We were amazed initially at what amounts we were winning while making paper bets only (in other words training bets). The moment we hooked onto NETBET and went "Live" we did abissmally. We found it really strange to win big on paper and then to lose out badly on live bets. We paid $9,000.00 NZ for this program and not only lost that money on what was supposed to be a sure fired thing but we lost a significant amound of cash on the betting. NOT IMPRESSED!!!!

  15. Those who have not been refunded from the con Robert James Price (Offtrack Investments) please email: callen@seven.com.au (Channel 7 - TodayTonight).... The more we respond the bigger the story gets. Coming to get you Rob OfftrackFightBack -- 23/09/03

    Those who have not been refunded from the con Robert James Price (Offtrack Investments) please email: callen@seven.com.au (Channel 7 - TodayTonight)....
    The more we respond the bigger the story gets.

    Coming to get you Rob

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