Is the Microsoft hate campaign working?

commentary It is easy, when writing on tech, to ascribe a lot of weight to the views and issues promoted by those with the loudest voices.

And the loudest voices in the tech community generally belong to those who do not like Microsoft.

Microsoft and the man who epitomises its culture and values, Bill Gates, are easy targets. The company's stumblings and mistakes are leapt on with glee and picked over ad nauseam by a vast army of critics ranging from those who dislike its products to those who regard it as the epitome of capitalism at its most rapacious.

This week saw the company cop an admittedly justified bake over chief executive Steve Ballmer's comments Linux violated more than 228 patents and that clients would be at risk of legal action if they use Linux. The subsequent moves from Redmond over those remarks have put a contortionist to shame.

However, another piece of news this week provided a potent reminder that Microsoft is not universally loathed.

A survey of chief executive officers by the Financial Times and PricewaterhouseCoopers found Gates continued to head the list of most-respected business leaders -- ahead of tech rivals such as Michael Dell, Steve Jobs and Carly Fiorina.

PwC officials said Gates had been lauded for his ability to inspire the company's employees and drive continued high levels of performance. The chief executives who participated in the survey also ranked Microsoft number two in the most-respected business list.

To your correspondent's mind, this study once again reinforces the fact that the corporate world is not interested in the almost religious zeal that accompanies a lot of Microsoft-bashing: In general, senior executives seem to admire the success of the company and are anxious to learn the lessons of Gates' management style. In addition, despite the best efforts of some commentators, information technology decision-makers are still required to evaluate Microsoft's products on the same criteria as they do everyone else's. It's value for money and fitness for purpose that counts, nothing else.

Your correspondent also this week went back through a file of articles and policy speeches made during the federal election campaign on the government's stance on open source. The message from all politicians was pretty simple: government agencies would be expected to evaluate open source solutions along with their proprietary counterparts when making procurement decisions. In other words, level playing field for all.

So while the weight of commentary, talkback, forums and other forms of Web discussion is overwhelmingly anti-Microsoft, it is always worth bearing in mind that the corporate sector admires the company and neither the corporate nor government sectors are interested in tilting the playing field away from it.

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  1. I think MS throughly deserves everything they get. Many of us Sys Admins have suffered with MS software for years - particularly their earlier efforts, which were barely even up to beta release standards. Apart from having to put up with the rubbish, ther Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    I think MS throughly deserves everything they get. Many of us Sys Admins have suffered with MS software for years - particularly their earlier efforts, which were barely even up to beta release standards. Apart from having to put up with the rubbish, there's plenty of other reasons why people in the industry dislike MS.

    1 All the recent MS bugs, flaws and vulnerabilities.
    2 Their well-known heavy-handed monopolistic tactics, trying to crush anyone that even vaguely threatens them.
    3 Their habit of using their dominance in the OS market to not only copy ideas, but put smaller companies who produce third party software completely out of business (actually these last 2 are probably why business leaders like them so much).
    4 They have been convicted of software piracy on more than one occasion.
    5 But my favorite reason for hating MS is their dumbing-down of the computing environment, with all their silly "wizards" and automatic features which take away control from the end user. I've lost count of the number of times my windows desktop has apparently spontaneously reverted to default settings without even asking me.

  2. I think MS is not targeted enough. Reguadrless of this article. MS products are still full of bad code and MS practices nothig but dispicable business practices. If I had as much money as Mr. Gates I would be sure to build a product that wa Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    I think MS is not targeted enough.
    Reguadrless of this article. MS products are still full of bad code and MS practices nothig but dispicable business practices.

    If I had as much money as Mr. Gates I would be sure to build a product that was more secure that the rittled software he produces.

    One of the new stations here in the St.Louis area had on the news two nights ago a report on the insecurites of Internet Explores and how even the US Government says that people need to stop using IE and go to an alternative browser of any kind that does not depend on IE code.

    No, in my opinion MS is still not being hit hard enough.

  3. I honestly do think it is a hate campaign. I am a sys admin myself, and by no means do I find MS to have laudable and excellent software, in fact it is riddled with bugs & inconsistancies. However I am pragmatic to know that if my server fails, and m Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    I honestly do think it is a hate campaign. I am a sys admin myself, and by no means do I find MS to have laudable and excellent software, in fact it is riddled with bugs & inconsistancies. However I am pragmatic to know that if my server fails, and my toilet overflows, then both aren't MS's fault. I don't ascribe to MS every problem I have, since that would be 'CHILDISH' and stupid.
    They write software, and (arguably) it does the job. Not easy to do, implement, migrate, etc. but it does the job.

    People who whinge about things such as 'TONY' has previously, must be under utilized in their work, especially if they have time to whinge about things that have no bearing on their work.
    I do not care that MS has gotten it's hands slapped by a court, I don't care if MS has been doing unethical things. I don't care (insofar as it bears on my work) if every virus in the world is targeted at MS, because they are the most successful. If we all switch to Linux, then every virus will switch also. DUH!!!! Evident to some i suppose.

    Pick on MS, I know you will. It is evident in the psyche of who people are. Successful people (don't deny it, since you can't) always are hounded and made targets. As far as I am concerned, I only care that MS continues to function, support their software (and they do) and that's that!

  4. In a corporate sense, yes M$ has managed well to corner the market. From a users sense, I have lost out. Yes, through their deals with IBM to make MSDOS the defacto standard they were able to bundle free software so that their products dominated the marke Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    In a corporate sense, yes M$ has managed well to corner the market. From a users sense, I have lost out. Yes, through their deals with IBM to make MSDOS the defacto standard they were able to bundle free software so that their products dominated the market. BUT remember, Word Perfect was a superior product Word but all the newbies at that time didn't know that because they were getting free word process that. And today, they produce now is glossy but weak software. Just look at the way M$ blames others for daring to exploit their unsecure products. It is a joke the way M$ shouted to the world how they help catch that virus crook in Germany. But what they didn't say was that these guys exploit vulnerable software! Made by who? If they built the stuff properly in the first place, there would be no complaints.

  5. "In general, senior executives seem to admire the success of the company and are anxious to learn the lessons of Gates' management style. " Yep, like how to run an illegal monopoly and buy your way out of being punished? Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    "In general, senior executives seem to admire the success of the company and are anxious to learn the lessons of Gates' management style. "

    Yep, like how to run an illegal monopoly and buy your way out of being punished?

  6. Microsoft deserve all the abuse they get and more. They lie and spread FUD on a mammoth scale, they are partly responsible for the SCO travesty taking so long, they even stooped to trying to FUD scare third world countries into buying their mediocre, unde Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    Microsoft deserve all the abuse they get and more. They lie and spread FUD on a mammoth scale, they are partly responsible for the SCO travesty taking so long, they even stooped to trying to FUD scare third world countries into buying their mediocre, under performing software by threatening that the Intellectual Property vultures would swoop on anyone using open source.

    Well let's look at the facts: No one has ever successfully sued an Open Source group in an IP suit, however M$ has been sued and lost several cases of Patent violation, what does this prove? I think the the argument speaks for itself.

    As an IT professional I feel that being made to use Winblowz at work is an affront to my skills in computing, it may be alright for lusers but that's only because most of them don't even know that there are better alternatives out there, and those that do are so worried by Ballmers FUD scare-mongering that they'd rather put up with malware, viruses, data corruption, spyware, system crashes and lost data than risk using the best alternative. And we all know what that <a href="http://www.linux.org">is</a>.

  7. Honor among thieves. Of course other business leaders are envious of Microsoft's business model. So what? That has nothing to do with the rest of us "grunts". The other CEO's lauding over Microsoft aren't praising MS's products, they' Anonymous -- 25/11/04

    Honor among thieves. Of course other business leaders are envious of Microsoft's business model. So what? That has nothing to do with the rest of us "grunts".

    The other CEO's lauding over Microsoft aren't praising MS's products, they're praising all the money MS makes, and the business model they use. There's a profound difference...

  8. MS did a great job in eliminating all competitors with legal and illegal methods and that generates hate or dislike. The hate campain is just one way how some people express themself and the pro-MS people go just the other direction. The ones who loo Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    MS did a great job in eliminating all competitors with legal and illegal methods and that generates hate or dislike. The hate campain is just one way how some people express themself and the pro-MS people go just the other direction.
    The ones who look at MS in a far less emotional way are the ones which will kill MS.

    The European and Asian authorities naturally do a much better job in taming MS as they don't have any interest in having the backdoors of their systems open for a foreign goverment.

    However, MS doesn't have to fear too much in the short run. I have several system admins as friends who would never install MS on their private computers (and some even on their business machines) but will vehemently vote for using it in business as the buggy MS-software is the best job-security they can get. Why should they go with a safer, less buggy and easier to maintain system where only half (or less) of them would be required to keep the same amount of machines running??? They even appreciate the stupid MS anti-Linux campain as they can use it to convince their executives to stay with MS.

    Does the hate campain work? IMHO, not very much. MS does a much better job in eliminating their own product on the long run.

  9. Gee, corrupt billionaires admire the most corrupt billionaire of all. Who'da thunk it? Microsoft lies, steals, bullies, and tyrannizes over an entire industry. Microsoft regularly flouts the law, while at the same time producing shoddy products Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    Gee, corrupt billionaires admire the most corrupt billionaire of all. Who'da thunk it?

    Microsoft lies, steals, bullies, and tyrannizes over an entire industry. Microsoft regularly flouts the law, while at the same time producing shoddy products and retarding progress. (Almost five years after the release of XHTML, Internet Explorer still refuses to knowingly render it.)

    These are facts.

    "Hate campaign", on the other hand, is the loaded language of sycophancy.

  10. Don't confuse respect for business prowess from industry peers with respect for the company from the consumers - they're quite different things. Your article illustrates the different perspectives - profitability, drive and getting employees to Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    Don't confuse respect for business prowess from industry peers with respect for the company from the consumers - they're quite different things.

    Your article illustrates the different perspectives - profitability, drive and getting employees to delivery is what garners the business respect. The people that rant at Microsoft (noting how convenient it is to denigrate these opinions as "religious zealotry" - surely Mr Ballmer's recent pontifications take the cake on that count!) are doing so from the perspective of consumers - the people that use or work with the products of Microsoft.

    Is there a hate campaign? If we also grant that there is an equal and opposite disinformation campaign, I'd accept that there is, although the use of the emotive "hate" is somewhat of a distortion.

    Is it working? Absolutely - you're writing about it, people are thinking about it and re-examining their assumptions.

  11. How can anyone 'hate' Micrsoft? In 1980, IBM was Goliath, and Bill Gates and Paul Allen were seen as a very small 'David'. Where would we be without OS/2, sorry, I mean NT4? The IBM vision, had very little to do with desktop technology, digita Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    How can anyone 'hate' Micrsoft?

    In 1980, IBM was Goliath, and Bill Gates and Paul Allen were seen as a very small 'David'. Where would we be without OS/2, sorry, I mean NT4? The IBM vision, had very little to do with desktop technology, digital cameras, and PDA's.

    As the ex-OIC of PC Development for the RAAF (1987-1991), I have listened with amusement to arguments between Macintosh and Windows users for years now - over the classic "Who invented Windows? question", rarely hearing the names Xerox or 'Ventura'.

    Fort Knox is the most well known financial target, because it was marketed as being impregnable. These days, we pay higher fees, and few banks actually make that claim in their marketing.

    Can you remember ever going to a bank, with cash and a deposit book? On a day when three major Australian banks try to amalgamate cheque processing with an offshore third party, millions of financial transactions already flow across global networks. All IT Managers know this is the target, if not transactions within their own companies.

    If home users decide to switch to Firefox, criminal organisations will simply adjust their attack vectors appropriately. They are interested in your money, not joining a fight to mock Microsoft.

    The cost of Microsoft products is more closely related to piracy issues, thankfully being resolved as you read.

    Could the products be more secure? - me thinks we had better refer to Cryptographic experts for that answer immediately.

    Does the company look after its staff? - apparantly very well, and to date, no-one I know, has died from using a Microsoft product.
    "Hate" is a strong word, that clearly does not seem appropriate in this case.

    There are many things, we could all do better.

  12. As you said, "senior executives seem to admire the success of the company and are anxious to learn the lessons of Gates' management style". Of course! Every businessman in the world would like to be able to take their own company to th Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    As you said, "senior executives seem to admire the success of the company and are anxious to learn the lessons of Gates' management style".

    Of course! Every businessman in the world would like to be able to take their own company to the same earnings level as Gates did with M$! And that doesn´t mean that they choose Windows Server for running their business on it.

    You´re just not getting the point here.

    "It's value for money and fitness for purpose that counts, nothing else." Plain wrong. Should someone decide based only on that means he doesn´t have a clue. Security flaws, dirty tactics to monopolize market, dirty tactics to make it difficult to switch to another platform, are very important things to have in mind for the long run. It´s been proven in court, every and each line of code inside every Microsoft product was written with the prime objective of keeping "barrier of entry" to their market and "pain caused by trying to change to another platform" as high as possible. Performance or security fall to a tenth priority.

    Interoperability, of course, is an enemy.

    Basically, the whole article says nothing. Businessmen respecting Gates as a businessman has nothing to do with technical superiority of his products. It has noting to do with those same businessmen choosing Microsoft products for their own companies.

    And if they have to compare products, that´s great!. Trying to force their choice to Microsoft by means of FUD isn´t. Leveling playing field for all is OK to any Linux enthusiast. No one complaining about Microsoft desires to tilt the playing field in any direction. Microsoft tilts the playing field away from themselves.

    Believe me, I´m MCSE and administered and designed real big NT networks. I´m proud to say I like Linux, I prefer it for every task I used to do with NT, even with the overhead of having to learn a technology I didn´t know before.

    It´s not a religious matter. It´s a matter of knowledge. Go to top500.org and see what OS scientifics that develop the most powerful 130,000+ multiprocessor supercomputers in the world choose to run on them. There´s 4 Linux supercomputers and a Unix in the top five.

    Go tell them they´re wrong. Go tell them they should use Windows Server on those state-of-the-art 70+ teraflop computers. Tell me how many hours they spent laughing at you. And come back to tell me that is some religious thing too.

  13. You all sound like a bunch of snake oil salesmen, doing and saying anything to "prove" the superiority of your chosen os (mostly linux) and declaring ms and windows the bane of humanity. I would hope that there are more objective and balanced v Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    You all sound like a bunch of snake oil salesmen, doing and saying anything to "prove" the superiority of your chosen os (mostly linux) and declaring ms and windows the bane of humanity. I would hope that there are more objective and balanced views expressed by linux vendors, as few professional managers would consider migrating away from windows based on the skewed opinions expressed here.

  14. Mafias always respect themselves. Capos respect other capos. Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    Mafias always respect themselves. Capos respect other capos.

  15. It is cowardice and buck passing that "drives" executives to favour Microsoft products over anything else. It's the same old 'No-one ever got fired from buying IBM' argument all over again. Where I work (a large federal government org) we were g Anonymous -- 26/11/04

    It is cowardice and buck passing that "drives" executives to favour Microsoft products over anything else. It's the same old 'No-one ever got fired from buying IBM' argument all over again. Where I work (a large federal government org) we were getting heartily sick of the never-ending security concerns of Internet Explorer and were investigating Firefox as an alternative, a technically sound solution. The idea got scotched with plenty of white faces and sweaty palms from the Public Service drones above us as "Oh no, we can't change, what would happen if something went wrong?" I rub my hands in glee waiting for the next major MS/IE exploit to hit and then I can watch them fall all over themselves when 12,000 desktops crash and burn.

    MS adoption is driven by inertia, fear, uncertainty,lock-in, doubt and craven weakness by the public sector eunuchs.

  16. While MSFT has done many things wrong in the past, I think at this point they're being unfairly criticized. Beyond the vocal and almost religious OSS proponents, a lot of the blame for this rests with the media in my opinion. All too often, your colleague Anonymous -- 27/11/04

    While MSFT has done many things wrong in the past, I think at this point they're being unfairly criticized. Beyond the vocal and almost religious OSS proponents, a lot of the blame for this rests with the media in my opinion. All too often, your colleagues appear happy to write negative articles on MSFT knowing they will recieve praise but shying away from even realistic assessments of LINUX/OSS for fear of strong backlash from this very militant community. As a result, we get nothing but negative articles about MSFT and nothing but glowing articles about all things OSS when the reality for both lies somewhere in the middle.

  17. Bill Gates has done more for the IT industry in general than anyone else on the planet. He has made computing available to the masses and for that he gets pilloried. If you dont like his products then dont use them. Its not as if he is twisting your arm. Anonymous -- 27/11/04

    Bill Gates has done more for the IT industry in general than anyone else on the planet. He has made computing available to the masses and for that he gets pilloried. If you dont like his products then dont use them. Its not as if he is twisting your arm. Most people I know admire Gates.

    The level of journalism on the Internet is abominable and that is partly the reason why he gets so much bad publicity. If most of these so called journo's actually knew their stuff the stories written would be a lot different.

  18. Long live to Microsoft! A very happy customer ;) Anonymous -- 27/11/04

    Long live to Microsoft!
    A very happy customer ;)

  19. Read the judge's verdict: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm See the US Courts judgements on Microsoft: http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/microsoft-all.html Read the Consumer Federation of America's report WINDOWS XP Anonymous -- 28/11/04

    Read the judge's verdict:
    http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm

    See the US Courts judgements on Microsoft:
    http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/microsoft-all.html

    Read the Consumer Federation of America's report WINDOWS XP / .NET: Microsoft's expanding monopoly,(large PDF file=c.40pages)
    September 26, 2001 - how it can harm consumers and what the courts must do to preserve competition.
    http://www.consumerfed.org/WINXP_anticompetitive_study.pdf

    Then come back and say that MS don't deserve

  20. Jason Green == Microsoft Lackey Anonymous -- 29/11/04

    Jason Green == Microsoft Lackey

  21. "Bill Gates has done more for the IT industry in general than anyone else on the planet. He has made computing available to the masses and for that he gets pilloried." Ahem. How soon people forget. It wasn't Bill Gates that Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    "Bill Gates has done more for the IT industry in general than anyone else on the planet. He has made computing available to the masses and for that he gets pilloried."

    Ahem.

    How soon people forget. It wasn't Bill Gates that made computing available to the masses. The personal computer industry (by which I do *not* mean IBM PC's and compatibles) was well established before PC clones running MS-DOS eventually took over.

    If you want to point to someone who truly helped bring computing to the masses, that man would be Steve Wozniak--the inventor of the Apple ][. Following quickly on the heels of Apple were other personal computers like the Commodore 64 (the highest selling personal computer of it's day), the Atari 400/800, and the Radio Shack/Tandy computer's. All of these did more to bring computing to the masses than Bill Gates, who merely rode on the coattails of IBM when they brought out the original PC (which at the time was marketed to business users, not home users).

    It is folly to think that anything that Microsoft has done could not have been done by someone else, or that Microsoft's ruthless determination to destroy all competition actually helped the computer industry rather than hurt it. History will not look back on Microsoft kindly, I can assure you.

  22. Microsoft is the one with a deliberate "hate campaign". Go read the Halloween Documents if you don't believe it. Read the plan in their own words! The "tech" community didn't launch a hate campaign against Microsoft, they jus Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    Microsoft is the one with a deliberate "hate campaign". Go read the Halloween Documents if you don't believe it. Read the plan in their own words!

    The "tech" community didn't launch a hate campaign against Microsoft, they just wrote better code. When attacked, the community defends itself.

    Security? Microsoft does NOT run and overwhelming percentage of machines. Most web servers run Apache, an Open Source web server. Where are the successful viruses? A large percentage of the visible servers on the 'Net are Linux. Where are the successful viruses?

    Microsoft has made up the lies about how they are just victims. ZD has propagated those lies. I hope you were well paid.

  23. If I had been asked to fill in that survey, I would also have said that I respected him as a business leader. He has done a wonderful job at Microsoft putting it in a near monopoly positiion in operating system and office productivity software for persona Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    If I had been asked to fill in that survey, I would also have said that I respected him as a business leader. He has done a wonderful job at Microsoft putting it in a near monopoly positiion in operating system and office productivity software for personal computers.

    This is not the same as I like his produrcts or that I would like them on my computer. They are insecure and technically inferior to what you can get for free. That sort of gets you to admire Mr Gates even more from a business point of view.

  24. Unfortunately, what this shows is that there is a sad mix of ignorance and lack of morals amongst business leaders. Microsoft is convicted of breaking the law and abusing their monopoly. They gained and kept their success by dirty tricks and breaking the Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    Unfortunately, what this shows is that there is a sad mix of ignorance and lack of morals amongst business leaders. Microsoft is convicted of breaking the law and abusing their monopoly. They gained and kept their success by dirty tricks and breaking the law. Some business leaders do not care about the moral part of it and think its admirable to be able to cheat and succeed. Others I am sure are just ignorant about what MS have done, and how little they deserve their success. This is especially obvious since the same poll found that most business leaders thought MS was a leader in innovation.

    Anybody who know anything about IT history knows that MS hardly innovates at all, and mostly copies others. As always, I am still waiting for anyone to show me 3 serious innovations MS has done...

  25. It all depends on your viewpoint. Stockholders have good reason to admire Microsoft's management. Long-time users have good reason to loathe Microsoft's ramshackle code, and nervously wonder when it will again corrupt a week's work or let malware in. A Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    It all depends on your viewpoint. Stockholders have good reason to admire Microsoft's management. Long-time users have good reason to loathe Microsoft's ramshackle code, and nervously wonder when it will again corrupt a week's work or let malware in. And to answer Pugsley in Toronto, yes, someone is twisting my arm: the network Nazi at the office. I never have, and never will, install any of Microsoft's third-rate bloatware on a system of my own. There are too many good alternatives out there.
    And, oh, yes, there isn't any hate campaign. There are just a whole lot of angry individuals.

  26. Ian Ferguson is an M$ paid mouth piece. This is what Ian really want to say: "We should only have one OS corporation controlling the whole desktop market & anyone who disagrees with me is a Communist!" Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    Ian Ferguson is an M$ paid mouth piece.
    This is what Ian really want to say: "We should only have one OS corporation controlling the whole desktop market & anyone who disagrees with me is a Communist!"

  27. M$ has many paid journalists working for them in their M$ anti Linux campaign. "Linux??? Who mentioned Linux?" you may ask, linux is the new threat to M$'s criminal anti competition campaign. Anyone who argues for a continued M$ corpor Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    M$ has many paid journalists working for them in their M$ anti Linux campaign. "Linux??? Who mentioned Linux?" you may ask, linux is the new threat to M$'s criminal anti competition campaign.

    Anyone who argues for a continued M$ corporate dominance over the OS desktop market is colluding & conspiring against the free market principles of our democratic system.

    Anyone who sides with the Dictator is a true enemy of democracy. M$ has many paid helpers in the news media.

  28. M$ has many paid journalists working for them in their M$ anti Linux campaign. "Linux??? Who mentioned Linux?" you may ask, linux is the new threat to M$'s criminal anti competition campaign. Anyone who argues for a continued M$ corpor Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    M$ has many paid journalists working for them in their M$ anti Linux campaign. "Linux??? Who mentioned Linux?" you may ask, linux is the new threat to M$'s criminal anti competition campaign.

    Anyone who argues for a continued M$ corporate dominance over the OS desktop market is colluding & conspiring against the free market principles of our democratic system.

    Anyone who sides with the Dictator is a true enemy of democracy. M$ has many paid helpers in the news media.

  29. The issue is freedom vs. dictatorship. The "open source vs. Microsoft" battle is often being mistaken for a battle against Microsoft as the worlds most successful software company. Yet the real issue is freedom to choose. The history s Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    The issue is freedom vs. dictatorship.

    The "open source vs. Microsoft" battle is often being mistaken for a battle against Microsoft as the worlds most successful software company. Yet the real issue is freedom to choose. The history shows that Microsoft does not support this whish for freedom - unless it can be controlled by Microsoft. Everytime there is a possibility that the competition could get better and more fair because of eg a new technology, Microsoft tries everything to prevent this improvement.
    Java was one exampel, the spam-protocol an other, an the list is very, very long as both parties very well know.
    It is wrong when someone is using their existing monopol to create a new (Windows -> OFFICE, IE) - it is restricting the competition and tha free choise of the people.
    If Microsoft is such a fantastic company then I dont understand why they should be afraid to compete on "equal and open ground". And I dont talk about "open software" software can be open or closed it doesnt matter but what matters are open standards! Let Microsoft open their Word doc standard so everybody in the world can develop software that competes with Microsofts Word. Or better still let Microsoft join an open-project defining such a world-wide-open-document standard. But it doesnt happen and that is why some people hate the company "Microsoft".
    I really do not care about Microsoft but I care about my freedom, and if it is attacked I also get laud.

  30. "If we all switch to Linux, then every virus will switch also. DUH!!!! Evident to some i suppose." Well, let's see, many viruses attack IE and Outlook Express. Why? For one, they are integrated in the OS. Name me one web browser that w Anonymous -- 30/11/04

    "If we all switch to Linux, then every virus will switch also. DUH!!!! Evident to some i suppose."

    Well, let's see, many viruses attack IE and Outlook Express. Why? For one, they are integrated in the OS. Name me one web browser that was ever integrated with every single Linux distro on the planet. So, if I release a virus for IE, I've hit about 90% of all Windows users worldwide potentially, plus others that use programs that in someway utilize IE. Now, on the Linux side of things, some people use firefox, some mozilla suite, some galeon, some epiphany, some use konqueror and then of course links/lynx. The default is different for every Linux distro. There has yet to be a virus that hits Firefox AND IE on multiple computers running the SAME Windows OS. Explain to me how I am going to hit every single Linux web browser? They don't all share the same vulnerabilities. It simply is not possible.

    Well you are mulling that over, let's go on to email. For Windows, you hit Outlook and get probably 90% of all users potentially. For Linux, as there is no default across all distros, you have kontact (default in KDE distros normally), Evolution (default in some Gnome distros), Balsa (default in other Gnome distros), Thunderbird, Sylpheed and many more. Again, I highly doubt all of these share all vulnerabilities, or any for that matter. So, if I target thunderbird, I have missed most businesses that are using Kontact/Evolution or anyone using anything else.

    Now on to the distros themselves. Another popular way of targetting windows machines is to send out a phony message from MS sporting a new security upgrade. It would be a bit more work doing this for Red Hat, SUSE, Mandrake, Debian, Lycoris, Linspire, Xandros, Libranet and many more at the same time for a virus. So therefore, an attack done this way would only target a single distro (which is what happened when Fedora was targetted, how many Debian/Mandrake users were in someway affected by this). If I chose this method I would only hit a fraction of the total number of Linux users.

    Now, you add in the fact that for a home user it is very difficult to run as a limited user on windows (many apps simply do not work that I used to use on Windows) whereas with Linux, all apps work in this way (except of course admin tools). So, some people, based on their choice in apps, have to run as admin at all times, opening their system up to more threat of attack. This is due to bad design of the OS back in the 9X days and they are paying for it now.

    Plus, in Outlook Express, I open an email, I'm infected simply cause Outlook sucks big time and Windows automatically gives it executive permissions based on its .exe extension. This happened to me and is what caused my move to first Netscape mail and later Thunderbird. In Evolution I'll use (this also applies for Thunderbird) I download the file, open a terminal, log in as root using su, give the file executive permissions and then execute. Anyone dumb enough to do this deserves to be infected if they don't know where the file came from. You could hardly call me dumb because I got infected in Windows for simply opening an email.

    Plus, Linux email clients don't open pics by default, and clearly state that you shouldn't open pics unless the email is from a trusted source. Now people know why they shouldn't do this, Outlook not only doesn't tell people why they shouldn't it opens the pics for them automatically. This is annoying when I don't notice some spam in my email that contains a virus and it opens when I click next or delete the file before it.

    There, I gave 6 reasons as to why Linux would suffer some level of increased security issues but not as many due to malware. Sure beats your "If everyone used Linux then they would still get viruses." Yes, maybe if only one company owned Linux and only included one email app and web browser. The fedora email phishing scam was a classic example. As Fedora ships with numerous email apps,

  31. I know of Three MS Innovations! They are: "Embrace" public standards, like XML. "Extend" public standards by adding proprietary bits. Then, by reason of their illegal monopoly on the desktop the proprietary be Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    I know of Three MS Innovations!

    They are:
    "Embrace" public standards, like XML.

    "Extend" public standards by adding proprietary bits. Then, by reason of their illegal monopoly on the desktop the proprietary becomes the defacto standard. Notice that quality, security, merit, etc., have no part in this power play.

    "Extinquish" the competition, who cannot violate IP and utilize the extended standard, thereby going out of business. Microsoft euphamistically calls this process "Cutting of their air supply".

  32. So Ricardo, anyone who disagrees with you must have been paid off? Anyone who wouldn't shoot Bill Gates is obviously a capitalist fascist? Did you even read Iain's commentary? It's people like you who embarrass Linux. Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    So Ricardo, anyone who disagrees with you must have been paid off? Anyone who wouldn't shoot Bill Gates is obviously a capitalist fascist? Did you even read Iain's commentary? It's people like you who embarrass Linux.

  33. In this self same piece we have you advertising anti spam and e-mail threat protection. Meanwhile we have them offering to 'protect their own customers from getting sued for patent violations. A situation partly brought about their and others manipulation Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    In this self same piece we have you advertising anti spam and e-mail threat protection. Meanwhile we have them offering to 'protect their own customers from getting sued for patent violations. A situation partly brought about their and others manipulation of IP law in the US.

    And you want to know why a lot of techies despise Microsoft and all it stands for. A mediocre company abusing its power to foist second rate product on an ignorant public is all.

    Microsoft, the company that made e-mail dangerous.

  34. Hey just think what Bill is doing with his pile, apart from a few mill for the kids, he is giving most of it away to fight Malaria, Aids and other diseases that most of the wertern world has given up on. Know anyone in Oz who is giving away the Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    Hey just think what Bill is doing with his pile, apart from a few mill for the kids, he is giving most of it away to fight Malaria, Aids and other diseases that most of the wertern world has given up on.

    Know anyone in Oz who is giving away the same percentage of their cash to truly benefit mankind? A casino and media magnate come to mind! MS and Gates/Ballmer et al are not the antichrist, not perfect but c'mon, not that bad! Dont get religious, there is an alternative vote with your money!

  35. If you've seen inside information on the kinds of things that have been taking place, you might be asking a different question: "How can anyone be stupid enough to not hate Gates & Co.?" A recent set of chance events has brought ab Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    If you've seen inside information on the kinds of things that have been taking place, you might be asking a different question: "How can anyone be stupid enough to not hate Gates & Co.?"

    A recent set of chance events has brought about a series of investigations, which in turn have led to some interesting revelations.

    Bill fired Nathan Myhrvold in 1999 in order to set the stage for the wave of new technologies he expected to come in the new millenium. With Nathan around as Chief Technology Officer, the world would attribute those new technologies to Nathan. Hence Bill "disposed" of him, and immediately gave himself the title of "Chief Software Architect". No matter, Bill could reason, since Nathan "was an idiot" who rode off Bill's coat tails, never inventing anything, and on the contrary causing Microsoft to be ridiculed with remarks like "Microsoft's greatest innovation was Microsoft Bob". Armed with a cornucopia of "borrowed" technologies, forming the the genesis of all of Bill's personal projects for the opening years of the new millenium, Bill thought he was about to embark on a new age of "personal creativity", at least as perceived by the public. He personally introduced the Tablet PC, Microsoft SPOT, the MediaCenter PC, and promised to take on Google and iPod. The problem was, he didn't complete his clandestined "acquisition" of all the technologies he needed. Unlike with Gary Kildall and DOS, the "operating arena" has evolved to a much, much more complex one. The target was moving so fast, and trickery could only take Microsoft so far. Along came the Eolas debacle. No problem. They're just ants. Even $521 million is chicken feed.

    But that wasn't the problem. The hype stirred up over Eolas by Microsoft itself, with the help of Tim Berners Lee, unleashed a global scouring for prior art. This was done to help the presumed good guys. What wasn't anticipated was what would become unearthed. Or how those things would reveal that none of the good guys were that "good" in truth.

    One prior art reference popped up in the search. It was discovered (I believe?) by a student at Stanford. That reference led to further searches and questions, and eventually to a chain reaction of "beguiling revelations". Combined with inside information and interviews, a very different picture emerged showing truly pathetic - what can only be characterized as pathetic, behavior by Bill Gates. His scheme to steal inventions by buying off patent lawyers handling cases of interest to him. Camouflaging it by entering into non-patent related working relationships with the affected law firms. Offshoring "borrowed" inventions to Microsoft China, where it could be claimed that the "borrowed" inventions originated there; with the intention of re-importing them to the USA and elsewhere at "the right time".

    But the Eolas matter disrupted the plan Why? Because the Stanford reference, more effective in challenging Eolas-906 than any previous prior art, also reveals (to those skilled in investigating) where Bill's other personal projects came from. And Nathan is fully aware of this, at least since this year; if not slightly earlier. So whereas Nathan is going around advertising his startup "Intellectual Ventures", which has as one founding objective, the prevention of Eolas type occurences -- even knowing about the Stanford reference, Nathan can only sit by and perhaps disavow his knowlege of it.

    There is so much more, but the moral of the story is:

    "oh what a tangle (world wide) web we weave when first we learn to deceive"

    (for 2% of the story, see also
    http://nip.blogs.com/patent/2004/11/cloak_and_dagge.html)

  36. A.C. & many other 'Click Monkeys' fear change, & so...they get all defensive when their beloved M$ product is questioned. They also fear having their M$ "click on Icon" skills made redundant,even though they feel smug about the M$ Mono Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    A.C. & many other 'Click Monkeys' fear change, & so...they get all defensive when their beloved M$ product is questioned. They also fear having their M$ "click on Icon" skills made redundant,even though they feel smug about the M$ Monopoly's abilty to kill & destroy any new player in the market, they still encounter 'flashes' of panic attacks when Linux or others remind them of their inferior computing skills, as their livelyhood & 'proffesional' occupations could be threatened in the future.

    A.C. like many others, thrive on Microsoft's vulnerabilities & inferior code design. They thrive on endless virus & trojans infections/attacks/PC Hijacks, every time there's a virus storm it turns into Xmas for them. :-)

    On the one hand, Microsoft doesn't want to fix it's endless faulty programs & continualy squashes new start up competitors or steals their IP, & on the other hand you have the "click monkeys" vultures in M$ IT, waiting on the sidelines to reinstall your OS so that they can earn extra $$$.

    And the cycle goes on & on & on, When will the general public wake up to this scam?? Once upon a time, the earth used to be flat to the majority, if you'd thought different, you could be attacked, this is what it's like under Microsofts monopoly.

    This collusion between Microsoft & these 'lethargic' anti-inprovement 'Click monkeys' is costing the general unsuspecting public lots of $$$$$$$$ & Lost productivity.

    Where do you want to go today? Monopoly or free open market?

  37. Ricardo, you've ceased to make any sense whatsoever. Once again, I think you failed to actually read the thing you're commenting on. I'm not saying I think Microsoft is good, I'm saying I think you're an idiot. You're probably in the pay of Microsoft to m Anonymous -- 02/12/04

    Ricardo, you've ceased to make any sense whatsoever. Once again, I think you failed to actually read the thing you're commenting on. I'm not saying I think Microsoft is good, I'm saying I think you're an idiot. You're probably in the pay of Microsoft to make Linux users look like brain-dead bigots.

    I'm not sure what it is you think I do, but none of your comments were even close to being on target. I don't know how I can thrive on Microsoft's vulnerabilities since I don't work in the IT industry and I choose not to use their products. And even your Ballmer-paid rantings designed to discredit the Linux community cannot convince me to buy from Redmond.

    So give it up, and stop trying to give Linux a bad name.

  38. It is not a hate campaign. It is just that any product and company can and should be looked upon in a critical manner. MS is not doing well as an investment. It does not behave well as a company (morally) and the products have sta Anonymous -- 03/12/04

    It is not a hate campaign.

    It is just that any product and company can and should be looked upon in a critical manner.

    MS is not doing well as an investment.
    It does not behave well as a company (morally) and the products have stagnated.

    It is not a company used to competition, there was no real competition for Windows at the time.

    To understand MS you have to understand that MS is a one man (or 1,5) company.

  39. If Microsoft focussed on making quality software, operating systems that operate, email systems that don't spam, browsers that don't execute everything they find, then maybe we'd all think they were a fine company. Anonymous -- 08/12/04

    If Microsoft focussed on making quality software, operating systems that operate, email systems that don't spam, browsers that don't execute everything they find, then maybe we'd all think they were a fine company.

  40. Gates and Microsoft is admired by the Corporate Business community for the billions of buck in anual revenues by the company. People that hate Microsoft are the ones that feel they have been ripped off by Microsoft... The small businesses that are d Anonymous -- 29/06/05

    Gates and Microsoft is admired by the Corporate Business community for the billions of buck in anual revenues by the company. People that hate Microsoft are the ones that feel they have been ripped off by Microsoft...
    The small businesses that are destroyed by the anticompetitive practices,
    The hardware manufacturers that are forced to agree to extortionist terms...
    The end users who are sick and tired of having to buy $2000 - $3000 worth of new hardware every 3 or 4 years so they can eXPerience a whole new level of instability, insecurity, and the latest assaults on personal privacy....

    Of course big money talks louder than the masses.
    Actually, big business loves Microsoft for the same basic reason that most of the people that hate Microsoft do so. It is a monopoly. It buys governments. It has laws passed that may violate the constitution of the country, so that it may take and take and take.. All the corporations wish they could be Microsoft. They wish they could be God.

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