Ballmer: Microsoft and Telstra will remain in bed together

Microsoft's chief executive officer, Steve Ballmer, has defended the company's relationship with Telstra, dismissing reports the two companies were approaching a split.

Ballmer mentioned the "speculation about what kind of relationship [Microsoft] and Telstra have" at a joint Microsoft/Telstra launch of the "xda", a combined mobile and PDA device that uses Microsoft Pocket PC software. Ballmer described Telstra as a "lead launch partner" and said the two companies would be working closely together to promote the device to the enterprise market.

The xda has been optimised for use on the Telstra network, to the extent that the Telstra settings for WAP and other protocols are "burnt" into the ROM of the device. Microsoft also has a range of developer programs to encourage local application creators to make software that will operate well over the Telstra network.

Ted Pretty, group managing director of Telstra Retail, also talked up the relationship. "Telstra was the first Microsoft enterprise customer globally, so we go back a long, long way," he said. In commenting on future collaboration between the two companies, Pretty said: "The way this market has restructured over the years the reality will be the stronger players in the marketplace...will be the ones that need to join together to take advantage of that opportunity. And that's us, and we will continue to do that."

The industry has been awash with rumours that Telstra is considering dumping its Windows platform and switching to an open-source alternative. When Ballmer was asked whether Microsoft would offer a discount to Telstra to encourage it to continue to use Windows, he said it would not, before launching an attack on open-source software Lindows and Star Office.

" I'd start with the fundamental value we offer, which I think is pretty good," said Ballmer. "I'd start with the value of the offer...Star Office runs on Linux, and Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of."

"The additional cost of installing, managing, taking care of Linux on the desktop, is hundreds of dollars per year," said Ballmer. "If you take a look at the functionality of Star Office compared to Microsoft Office, it's quite a bit weaker." Ballmer said that Microsoft studies showed most business users used 80 percent of the functions in Windows, even if it was just viewing a spreadsheet or Power Point presentation created by someone else.

Ballmer also cited lack of interoperability with Microsoft products as a reason to avoid Star Office, before having a dig at the system as a whole.

"There's no innovation going on in the desktop environment, either in Linux or Star Office," said Ballmer. "Linux is a cloning operating system, it cloned Unix now it's trying to clone windows, but some people might think it would be nice to get some new innovation."

This follows an open letter to Ballmer from Michael Robertson, spokesperson for Lindows, in which he quotes prices from Walmart to show a Lindows powered computer that retails for US$427.28 would cost US$1,067.10 if it had a similar setup on Windows XP.

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Talkback 21 comments

    Ballmer 'Lies v1.0' (TM) " ...Con Zymaris -- 17/10/02

    Ballmer 'Lies v1.0' (TM)

    "I'd start with the value of the offer… Star Office runs on Linux, and Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of." --Steve Ballmer.

    Ballmer has _no_ numbers (from non-Microsoft funded research!) to back his hollow rhetoric. I however, have numbers:

    1) IBM research:
    http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/RFG-LinuxTCO-vFINAL-Jul2002.pdf

    2) CIN: Linux TCO: Less Than Half The Cost of Windows
    http://cin.earthweb.com/article/1,3555,10493_1477911,00.html

    3) ZDNet UK reports on a Linux desktop trial by the West Yorkshire police; if all goes well, it will involve 3500 desktops and save the police £1 million per year. "If successful there could be a much wider deployment of a secure open-source desktop, with the potential replacement of over 60,000 desktop computers in the police service as a whole."

    4) Our firm has been running Linux desktops side by side with Windows for the past 5 years. We are down to only 2 remaining workstations running Windows, and 20 running Linux. The 20 Linux workstations need _less_ support effort than the 2 Windows workstations. If Mr. Ballmer cares to visit us, I'll show him why.

    Would you believe Steve? Do you think he has vested interest in keeping you scared to consider alternatives?

    There was never any real chanc ...Anonymous -- 17/10/02

    There was never any real chance of tel$tra actually moving from the dark side. They are a windoze shop and are staying that way.

    As for ballmer, dispite being proved wrong so many times, he still comes out with the same windoze is cheaper than linux BS.

    Well he would, would'nt he, he is thinking of his stock options, plus he is reading a script bill wrote.

    What do you expect Ballmer to ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    What do you expect Ballmer to say. MS days are numbered. It is a simple a business situation. Open Source alternatives are good enough now and will be better at a rate of approximately twice a year with updates. Anyone that uses RedHat 8.0 will find little difficulty using it versus Windows. They promote lies only for the ignorant people that will not bother to investigate alternatives. Businesses are finding it favorable at increasing rates to use Linux on servers and will find the same on the desktop beginning this fall with the recent releases--like rh 8.0. It only gets better from here. Past history with desktop experiences with Linux do not apply. There is an official focus on the desktop by the Linux distros and everyone will see fast progress to eliminate any shortcomings. Good Bye MS. Two years from now when masses are using Open Source and realize how badly they have been ripped off my MS for years Gate and Ballmer will be disliked by millions of users.

    We're still waiting for innova ...JR -- 18/10/02

    We're still waiting for innovation from Microsoft. Any decade now we should get something.

    "There's no innovation go ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    "There's no innovation going on in the desktop environment, either in Linux (Windows) or Star Office (MS Office)," said Ballmer. "Linux (Windows) is a cloning operating system, it cloned Unix (Mac) now it's trying to clone windows (OS X), but some people might think it would be nice to get some new innovation."

    neither m$ nor telstra denied ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    neither m$ nor telstra denied the news.

    So I suppose telstra is going ahead with its staroffice migration plans.

    Nope I say liar.....We got don ...John Johnson -- 18/10/02

    Nope I say liar.....We got done rolling out 50 linux workstations to our brain dead manufacturing floor users. The machines are locked down so that it is nearly impossible to break them, in fact I think it is impossible. They are used the entire workday and we have yet to get a single support call request. I would place the maintenance on those machine at near pennies per year much less a dollar. We have been running them now for 6 months and never a failure.

    First sombody should inform Mr ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    First sombody should inform Mr Ballmer that StarOffice runs on Windows. So in fact Tellstra could gradually switch to Linux if they wanted to.

    But contrary to what Mr Ballmer says that would probably be bad business. There are lots of articles from independent sources that says Open source, or at least Linux, is the cheaper alternative. Those saying otherwise usually comes from sources closely related to MS.

    And as for MS ability to innovate. I really like
    all their innovations. Just think of thingk of their file compression system that worked just like Stacker, and their wonderful SQL server database that was built on left overs from Sybase. Not to mention their .Net initiative that have the same goals that CORBA or J2EE had/have. But does the same thing with XML to make use of all that network bandwith available today. Nobody in either the CORBA or the J2EE camp would have thought of that. Speaking of
    .Net I can't imagine where MS got the idea of having a virtual machine running byte code.
    Who else would have thoughtof that?

    Anyhow, to be fair, MS actyally almost invented Excel.I think they wrote most of the code themselves. But the pattern the used was borrowed from Visicalc.

    Ballmer 'Lies again! People wi ...Ron Hiensch -- 18/10/02

    Ballmer 'Lies again!
    People will ignore his screaming soon.
    Soon they gonna imitate sourceforge. But who will work for nothing for an extremely rich company?
    Te best thing they can do, is come up with an own Linux distribution called MicrosoftLinux (then it looks like they have invented this too!) instead of Lindows. Otherwise they have a bad future.
    And last but not least:
    Windows is for girls, linux for men (sorry girls)

    Note: look at http://www.ximian.com to see what real zero administration is all about

    "Linux is very, very, ver ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    "Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of." -Steve Ballmer

    What a liar! He could've said the cost of using Linux in the enterprise is comparable to using MS, but he goes on to say its "very, very, very expensive"!

    I happen to have worked for a company which switched their servers (email, file, web) to Linux in 1997 and was able to run a NATIONWIDE network with just four people and with just the cost of the hardware and communication service to pay for. Then in 2001, the company moved all their employees desktops to Linux and it's still costing nothing to maintain, service and administer them.

    Hearing stuff like this is enough to make one feel sick. I kid you not. This is sickening. I actually just read it again and can't imagine why anyone would publish such drivel.

    Today I use Linux at home and at work. With RH8 out, my current company just decided to evaluate it.

    Don't you just love blanket st ...Paul -- 18/10/02

    Don't you just love blanket statements such as Ballmers, that state, "Linux is very,very expensive", with no actual figures nor installations to back such a statement up?

    I guess this is the sign of the times in which we live. Make up figures and erroneous conflagrations, yet offer no evidence, proof, or statistics to back up your claims. The IT world is becoming increasingly political. I see this as most strange when you consider that IT is and must be, deeply bred in science, which always requires experiential and empirical proof to formulate a proposition.

    Microsoft in bed with Telstra ...GottaLoveAGoodLie -- 18/10/02

    Microsoft in bed with Telstra - I sure hope they don't give birth to a love-child , imagine how ugly as sin it would be lol.

    "There's no innovation go ...Rodd Clarkson -- 18/10/02

    "There's no innovation going on in the desktop environment, either in Linux or Star Office"

    Strange then that many of the innovative 'new' features in Windows XP were already on my Linux desktop before Microsoft even mentioned them. Folders for music with an embedded player are one example.

    And MS (or anyone else) are yet to deliver a file manager that shows a preview of the image instead of an image icon. This feature alone makes working with images so much easier.

    I've also been told that Outlook users can look forward to Virtual Folders in the next version of Outlook. They haven't called them the same name they used in evolution, but they amount to the same thing. I'm sure when Microsoft releases Outlook they'll be touting this feature as innovative. ;-]

    Linux is far easier to maintai ...Rodd Clarkson -- 18/10/02

    Linux is far easier to maintain than Windows.

    We've slowly ported all the services we had running on a Windows server to Linux because it just works better.

    They are more reliable, more stable and more consistent. Gone are the days when things worked for some people, but not for others.

    As a small company, taking the time to figure out Linux has has saved us months of server admin time. I've now got time to do other work.

    I would question Microsoft's a ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    I would question Microsoft's assertion that business users use 80% of the features of Microsoft Office in their day to day work, and that as a result Star Office is not a viable product for them.

    I would suggest that Steve Ballmer have a good look at the Open Office himself to see what is and is not possible with it.

    I'm a very heavy user of Word Processing fancy features and have had an almost seamless transition from Microsoft Office (mainly word) to Open Office. The only problem I had was fixed in version 1.0.1. I won't recount the problems I had when I converted from Word 2 to Word 6, then to Word 95 (which said it saved Word 6 files but didn't really) before I settled on Word 97 which is a fairly solid release with SR2.

    Steve Ballmer will be happy to know though that I'm still running Windows 2000 underneath Open Office. That's mainly because it came with the machine and, to be honest, it works ok for me. He may nto be happy to know that I've no intention on upgrading it or my system anytime soon.

    Monkey man seems to have overl ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    Monkey man seems to have overlooked the fact that Star Office also runs on Windows.

    Well, even though Ballmer is o ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    Well, even though Ballmer is obviously spouting marketing FUD regarding his OS versus competitors... You Linux Zealots are even more amusing in your claims. Come on... do you really think that *everyone* wants to give away their hard earned development hours for free? As Linux gains momentum, so will applications *not* wielding the GNU licence. What none of you seem to realise is that the more popular Linux becomes, the more people it will attract wanting to make money off it!! More attention also equals a higher rate of bug discovery, leading to cries of Linux being insecure, leading to migration to yet another OS. And while all this is happening, do you really think that Microsoft is going to sit down and give up? What's stopping them from giving away their OS for free? They are certainly going to still make a profit from their applications suites and development tools. I know i'll be flamed for blaspheming the great and god-like Linux, but I sure wish you people would come back down to earth.

    Ballmer is a typical marketing ...Keith Styles (A very,very disgruntled user) -- 18/10/02

    Ballmer is a typical marketing goon. Full of Pi#s & W*nd. He attempts to destroy, that which he doesn't understand. If it has the potential to compete or overthrow his M$ empire, he uses unfounded retoric with no foundation in fact.
    My $350 XP/CD along with all my other M$CD's are now gathering dust, as RH Linux soldiers on with out a blip, for little or no $ outlay.
    Get your facts straight next time Mr.loudmouth Bullmer.

    > "Star Office runs on ...Anonymous -- 18/10/02

    > "Star Office runs on Linux, and Linux is very, > very, very expensive for customers to take care > of."

    Star Office also runs on Windows, he forgot(cough) to mention that. Star Office is much beter value for money. Star Office isnt open source anymore, its sold and supported and updated by Sun. Open Office is the Open Source alternative, and they arent talking about Open Office here.

    Much research is now putting Linux in a better value for money position than Windows in an enterprise environment. This research has already been pointed out above.

    > "Ballmer said that Microsoft studies showed
    > most business users used 80 percent of the
    > functions in Windows, even if it was just
    > viewing a spreadsheet or Power Point
    > presentation created by someone else"

    80% of the functions in WINDOWS? Bloody spreadsheets and presentations are viewed by the Office suite, not Windows itself. This guy is just plucking crap out of his arse to justify Windows.

    > "There's no innovation going on in the desktop > environment, either in Linux or Star Office,"
    > said Ballmer.

    What a load of BS. Look at the leaps made by Lunix distros in the past few years in terms of stability, user friendliness, and also the ability to run Windows progras (e.g. WINE).
    Look at distros like Locorisl, Elx and Mandrake. Nothing as easy to use as these was available a few years ago.

    As for Star Office. All one has to do is look at the improvments in 6 over 5.2.

    > "Linux is a cloning operating
    > system, it cloned Unix now it's trying to clone > windows, but some people might think it would
    > be nice to get some new innovation."

    Linux is based on Unix, a far better OS than Windows will ever be. Windows tried to clone MAC in the firs place, need I say more.

    StarOffice runs on Windows too ...Anonymous -- 08/11/02

    StarOffice runs on Windows too. OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org) runs on Windows, Linux, Solaris, and Mac OS X. I am willing to sacrifice a few features/bugs for free office suite. I think free is pretty inovative.

    I just read a review of MS Off ...Stuart Guthrie -- 24/01/03

    I just read a review of MS Office 11 and this was part of the article:

    'Search folders allows users to create persistent searches that act as
    virtual folders and are a simpler alternative to using filtering rules
    to redirect mail from the Inbox to other folders'

    Which is interesting when you counterpoint it to the great Steve Balmer
    recently:

    "There's no innovation going on in the desktop environment, either in
    Linux or Star Office," said Ballmer. "Linux is a cloning operating
    system, it cloned Unix now it's trying to clone windows, but some people
    might think it would be nice to get some new innovation."

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/enterprise/story/0,2000025001,20269161-1,00.htm

    An excellent example of BS (I mean SB) in play.

    Stu

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