Aust Web hosting companies lash out at top-tier competitors

Andrew Colley

04 September 2003 10:20 AM

Tags: provison, telstra, web, colley, hosting, charge, webcentral, domain name

Australia's top-tier Web hosting providers have again been called to account for their charging practices.

An Adelaide-based Web hosting company, SmartyHost -- which offers its service to small-to-medium enterprises (SMEs) at monthly rates up to 75 percent cheaper than market leaders -- is keen to expose the emergence in recent years of what it has described as "rip-off" hosting services.

SmartyHost adds its voice to a growing group of smaller entrants to Web hosting market that have criticised the pricing practices of industry pace-setters such as WebCentral and Telstra.

Early last month Michael Farrell, managing director of Hostway, politely questioned the value of Telstra's SME Web hosting packages shortly after they were launched early last month.

"It's at the high end of the market for what they offer," said Farrell at the time.

SmartyHost managing director Anoosh Manzoori took the criticism further, accusing the industry's top-tier players of exploiting the small business community's inexperience with technology to turn their Web hosting services into a cash cow.

"Most firms are overcharging, charging mark-up management and service fees where they needn't exist. These are quite often 'hidden' and reside only in the small print of marketing material," said Manzoori.

Manzoori took the criticism to the front door of recognised providers such as WebCentral and Telstra, accusing them of misleading the market with their pricing guidelines.

"[SMEs] are guided by the pricing structures put forward by these providers".

Manzoori reserved particular criticism for Web hosting providers who charge for what he described as "non-services". Most Web hosting providers offer domain name registration services for a fee that covers the cost of licensing the name with Australia's naming authority AusRegistry. AusRegistry's service links the domain name with numerical Internet addresses of servers maintained by the host.

While the license fee covers the domain name for two years, some Web hosting providers bundle in additional charges to cover the ongoing "management" of the domain name. Manzoori claims that the cost is unjustifiable, as no further management takes place after the name is registered.

Manzoori also said that set-up fees and monthly charges were unjustifiably high.

Telstra and WebCentral charge a one-off set-up fee of AU$105 and AU$84 per month for an account that includes 40 mail boxes, 150 MB of storage and a 1GB of traffic allowance. SmartyHost's comparable plan offers the same storage, an additional 120 mail boxes and 20GB traffic allowance for AU$15 per month with no set-up fee.

And while Telstra and WebCentral charge AU$135 for domain name registration, Manzoori said SmartyHost is taking a healthy profit margin when charging AU$79 for the same service.

Manzoori claims that Telstra and WebCentral's pricing structure is based on "perceived value," which exploits the customer's ignorance of technology.

"If I was to manually set up an account for a client it would take me around 5 to 10 minutes. If I was to automate the system -- as we have and I'm sure Telstra does -- it would take 2 minutes, so even if [Telstra] was to charge AU$100 per hour it would cost much less than that," he said.

Manzoori added that while many Web hosting providers will differentiate pricing for their plans on the basis of features, providing the services was often no more than a matter of "clicking boxes".

"The more features they have in their package, the more they'll charge you in terms of set-up...now the fact is the servers have got all the features are already installed on the server -- it's just a matter of clicking the ones that you want active for a client," he said.

Telstra was yesterday unable to supply a detailed comment on the issue but a spokesperson defended the carrier's service offerings saying its prices were comparable with the industry's standards.

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Talkback 26 comments

  1. hmmm I think this guys a bit inexperienced. What about backing up the web site/servers, disaster recovery, data centre costs, physical security? What about licensed Windows server software? What about pre-processores like cold fusion and ASP. Anonymous -- 04/09/03

    hmmm I think this guys a bit inexperienced. What about backing up the web site/servers, disaster recovery, data centre costs, physical security?

    What about licensed Windows server software? What about pre-processores like cold fusion and ASP.

    All of these things cost substantial amounts of money when you purchase them.

    I dont think much thought has gone into the actual costs of providing these types of services.

  2. Thank you, thank you, thank you....finally someone in the industry has had the balls to stand up and say that the majority of us poor consumers of these products are being taken for a ride. Most people who want a web site are dazzled by the tech Anonymous -- 04/09/03

    Thank you, thank you, thank you....finally someone in the industry has had the balls to stand up and say that the majority of us poor consumers of these products are being taken for a ride.

    Most people who want a web site are dazzled by the techno speak language that web designers fling about to confuse us all. High costs are drummed into our brains as a price to pay for quality sites, and the same goes for hosting.

    I pay $6.95 a month for my web hosting, have 2 gig traffic, a 50mb site and I really don't know how many mailboxes. There was no set up fee, no monthly domain name maintenance and no other ongoing costs except for my web hosting service. For someone like me who just wants a good, reliable service that it easy to use this is fantastic value for money. Who needs all the bells and whistles when all you need is pages that load up quickly, a site that doesn't crash all the time and a well laid out website.

  3. Hmm. It's a little hypocritical when you consider that smartyhost is just a reseller for a USA based webhosting company. So he's saying we shouldn't support the Australian IT industry? We should all host off shore and make him rich. Anonymous -- 04/09/03

    Hmm. It's a little hypocritical when you consider that smartyhost is just a reseller for a USA based webhosting company.

    So he's saying we shouldn't support the Australian IT industry? We should all host off shore and make him rich.

    I'm sorry, but I do not agree with that.

  4. I agree! I paid for Tesltra FAMILY HOSTING PACKAGE. They charged me not only for hosting but I had to pay 'domain management fee' as well. I have my domain already so what are they manageing? I am glad someone is speaking out. I think the big players need John Frester -- 05/09/03

    I agree! I paid for Tesltra FAMILY HOSTING PACKAGE. They charged me not only for hosting but I had to pay 'domain management fee' as well. I have my domain already so what are they manageing? I am glad someone is speaking out. I think the big players need to give a 'please explain'

  5. In reply to the first post by anonymous, what about people who don't want or need pre processors like Cold Fusion and ASP? Why should we subsidise those who do? And don't forget customer service. I can't recall the last time I had a good customer servi Anonymous -- 06/09/03

    In reply to the first post by anonymous, what about people who don't want or need pre processors like Cold Fusion and ASP? Why should we subsidise those who do? And don't forget customer service. I can't recall the last time I had a good customer service experience with Telstra, but in every dealing I've had with Anoosh from smartyhost the service has been personable and efficient. Anonymous, do you work for Telsra?

  6. What a load of HOGWASH! 'SmartyHost' is cramming accounts onto servers run by RackShack (www.rackshack.com) and lining their pockets with the proceeds. Yet this company dares to throw its cynical propaganda around in the form of Press Releases. Anonymous -- 14/09/03

    What a load of HOGWASH! 'SmartyHost' is cramming accounts onto servers run by RackShack (www.rackshack.com) and lining their pockets with the proceeds.

    Yet this company dares to throw its cynical propaganda around in the form of Press Releases. Outrageous!

    Show some love for the struggling Australian IT Industry, and certainly don’t throw your money into this one man wonder money making scheme.

  7. Oh dear Rob, sounds like someone can't compete with this AUSTRALIAN company! Anonymous -- 16/09/03

    Oh dear Rob, sounds like someone can't compete with this AUSTRALIAN company!

  8. Aw....please don't talk big about supporting Aust IT industry and such. Blame it on the federal government's outsourcing policy. Every single company (web hosting, in this case) have the right to be reseller or dedicated server. Who offers the best, lisa -- 11/01/04

    Aw....please don't talk big about supporting Aust IT industry and such.
    Blame it on the federal government's outsourcing policy. Every single company (web hosting, in this case) have the right to be reseller or dedicated server. Who offers the best, the most reliable & good service & if they offers what the potential customer wants, then they'll survive.

    I'll subscribe to something I think works for me, reasonable, not dodgy & within my budget.

    (ps: I'm not working for any web hosting companies, in case 'someone' lash back at me for pointing out the truth)

  9. It's this press release fire and brimstone, panic mongering crap from US resellers that gives hosting in this country a bad name. There are plenty of reliable bargain hosts located in this country and using Australian bandwidth, usually priced around Anonymous -- 15/01/04

    It's this press release fire and brimstone, panic mongering crap from US resellers that gives hosting in this country a bad name.
    There are plenty of reliable bargain hosts located in this country and using Australian bandwidth, usually priced around $15-$30 a month, but for some reason all the press ever talks about is Telstra this and WebCentral that.
    If your business can't possibly afford $15 or $20 a month for a service you no doubt think is "mission critical", you ain't in business.

  10. Anonymous wrote: There are plenty of reliable bargain hosts located in this country and using Australian bandwidth, usually priced around $15-$30 a month, but for some reason all the press ever talks about is Telstra this and WebCentral that. -= Anonymous -- 09/02/04

    Anonymous wrote:
    There are plenty of reliable bargain hosts located in this country and using Australian bandwidth, usually priced around $15-$30 a month, but for some reason all the press ever talks about is Telstra this and WebCentral that.
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Well you obviously didn't read the headline, let alone the article. Nowhere was there reference to small or bargain basement providers, because they don't constiture top-tier providers.

    As for the article, it hits the nail on the head. The top tier providers set the standards and pricing and they need to pull their fingers out to get the industry into a respectable state.

  11. One year's hosting for the small websites I do costs less than setup with Bigpond, so my customers will take the chance. What do they have to lose? Even if Smartyhost is only on the go for another month, they are still ahead. Anonymous -- 18/03/04

    One year's hosting for the small websites I do costs less than setup with Bigpond, so my customers will take the chance. What do they have to lose? Even if Smartyhost is only on the go for another month, they are still ahead.

  12. One year's hosting for the small websites I do costs less than setup with Bigpond, so my customers will take the chance. What do they have to lose? Even if Smartyhost is only on the go for another month, they are still ahead. Anonymous -- 18/03/04

    One year's hosting for the small websites I do costs less than setup with Bigpond, so my customers will take the chance. What do they have to lose? Even if Smartyhost is only on the go for another month, they are still ahead.

  13. Pricing is all well and good, but our business has been waiting for over a week for Smartyhost to set up our package or to even acknowledge that they have even received our email. This is not making us very comfortable!!! Anonymous -- 22/03/04

    Pricing is all well and good, but our business has been waiting for over a week for Smartyhost to set up our package or to even acknowledge that they have even received our email. This is not making us very comfortable!!!

  14. I've been waiting five days for my website to gurgle down after paying SmartyHost my $144. After I paid all I get is automated emails, I can't contact anyone, The 'forum' page hasn't had an entry in past 30 days, even though I made 9 posts of my own and Anonymous -- 07/02/05

    I've been waiting five days for my website to gurgle down after paying SmartyHost my $144. After I paid all I get is automated emails, I can't contact anyone, The 'forum' page hasn't had an entry in past 30 days, even though I made 9 posts of my own and 4 replies to posts by others going back to last November. I think it's colapsed already, I might call the ACCC tomorrow.
    So that he knows who it is, I'm Victory.

  15. smarty host web storage hhidden -- 29/04/06

    just you wait, smarty host customers till you find out the changes in data storage. With the move to an optus data center all of a sudden your mailbox size will contribute to your overall storage. Regardless if you use the actual mailbox storage or not. So get preparded to pay more for what you allready had. The bargain 20mb and 50mb storage packages can be eaten up very quickly with a couple of email accounts. And they suggest you are getting a real bargan.....!

  16. SMARTY HOST IS THE WORST HOSTING PROVIDER Anonymous -- 10/05/06

    SMARTYHOST IS THE WORST HOSTING PROVIDER IN THE COUNTRY! FOR THE LAST YEAR SINCE I'VE SIGNED UP, I'VE ENCOUNTERED PROBLEMS AFTER PROBLEMS AND NOW THAT THEY'VE DECIDED TO MOVE TO OPTUS'S DATA CENTRE IT IS EVEN WORST! MY SITE HAS BEEN DOWN FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS AND WHEN YOU TRY AND CONTACT SUPPORT, THERE ISN'T ANY! I GUESS YOU GET WANT YOU PAY FOR. I RATHER PAY 10,000 PER YEAR IF I HAD TO THAN GO WITH SMARTYHOST, THEY ARE PATHETIC.

    1. Smarty Host Anonymous -- 11/05/06

      Well we have been really shafted. We have spent 10 months building an online shop on smartyhosts server. It has cost 10,000 in various people doing little bits of it. We backup regularly however part of the backup is on our own webspace with smarty. Also the software we are using means updates go directly through the online interface. We have a meeting where we have 3 staff are paid to come to Brisbane tomorrow, the site goes live Saturday, we have paid in excess of 5,000 to advertise and guess what They migrate, the dont tell us and the site is just not there anymore.

      Who on earth in their right mind pays $200 to host a business they are putting their life savings into I ask myself. I have rung our solicitor but I guess we are now in for a legal wrangle and the business wont launch.

  17. SmartyHost trashed my site Anonymous -- 11/05/06

    SmartyHost have totally trashed my website with their move to Optus. They are a useless bunch of clowns. Stay right away.

  18. SmartyHost trashed my site Anonymous -- 11/05/06

    SmartyHost have totally trashed my website with their move to Optus. They are a useless bunch of clowns. Stay right away.

  19. SmartyHost trashed my site Anonymous -- 11/05/06

    SmartyHost have totally trashed my website with their move to Optus. They are a useless bunch of clowns. Stay right away.

  20. Smartyhost, no so Anonymous -- 12/05/06

    No mail now for three day and still no reply from smarty host? Perhaps another 28 employees may help you clear the back log?

  21. smarty host hhidden -- 17/05/06

    Smarty Host think that their move and changes is just,they believe have no responsibility to their customers "see their terms of use" This was also reported to ZD net on 29/4/06 who has also done nothing. Well just as well i got my site moved before the changes took effect. You would we better to go else where. They will not negotiate anyting with you but will sell you more for what you allready had. see post on 29/4/06.

  22. Retract comments hhidden -- 17/05/06

    Apparently ZD Net has reported this. My Applogies. I retract my comment that ZD net had done nothing

  23. Real Australian webhost Anonymous -- 17/05/06

    Check out www.anchor.com.au for a real Australian hosting company.

    Pick up the phone and call them, 1300 883 979.

    They moved all of their servers from one data centre to another and changed their bandwidth providers at the same time and only had 4-5 hours down time. We got over a months notice too!

  24. Smarty Host rips off the not-for-profit sector Anonymous -- 02/06/06

    Thanks to the incompetence of Smarty Host technicians, a not-for-profit Australian organisation recently lost 2 days of trading on their most popular online service. Smarty Host then had the audacity to claim that it was "not their problem". The issue has since been resolved with no thanks to Smarty Host.

  25. I am one of smartyhost's victims. Anonymous -- 10/06/06

    Warning: Do not host with these guys. Or do so at your peril!
    I have never seen such a balls-up. They are arrogant and stupid.

    They have stuck my site on a server with 388 other domains. Before the migration, I was on an EV1 server in the US with 58.
    Net result is: My site is often unreachable. i.e. it times out and email is exceptionally slow, and often unreachable.

    388 - Common you guys from other hosting companies, how many sites do you jam on your servers?

    Anoosh is a liar. I was not given any warning about the migration..
    They:
    * Changed all passwords without informing me.
    * Deleted existing email from all of my email accounts – gone forever.
    * Stopped the reception of mail for a week – gone forever.
    * Compromised security by removing .htaccess files.
    * Introduced errors, making web-pages look unprofessional
    * Sent some of my personal details to other Smartyhost customers.
    * Reset my sites password, logged in and edited files
    (isn't this against the law?). I rang and complained that my password had been reset, they denied all knowledge of this, made me send them personal ID to have the password reset again. They did this 3 times, and at no stage did they mention what they were up to.

    Anoosh is a liar.
    "They deliberately did not tell customers what they were doing."

    ==Changed the Hosting Deal==
    They changed the hosting deal without notice. I signed up with them about a month before the migration, and after it, things are very different. This has to be against the law. Why haven't the media picked up on this story. Post's on websites like whirlpool are full of stories like mine.

    ==Changed the hosting environment==
    The ensim control panel has been replaced by a crude cut down version of their own!

    You have to declare space for email. i.e. You declare 20Mb for an email account, even if you have no email on the server, the 20Mb is taken from the total of 150mb.

    ==Removed shell access==
    Again, not spoken of or mentioned anywhere. Too bad if this is how you administered your site!

    As you can see

    I'm not happy Jan !

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