Alston slams ACS unemployment report

The federal government has savaged an Australian Computer Society survey which alleges employment in the Information and Communications Technology (ICT) sector stands at 11.9 percent as "blatant grandstanding".

The Minister for Information Technology and Communications, Senator Richard Alston, said in a statement released today the ACS results were derived from a survey of 889 of its members which attracted a response rate of only 6.7 percent.

"[This is] hardly the basis for any firm extrapolation," Alston said.

"...the fact is that, while the ICT labour market remains subdued relative to highs experienced during the tech boom, figures released by the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations earlier this week show that there was a rise of 14,400 or 7.5 percent in the employment of ICT professionals over the year to November 2002," he said.

"In fact, the latest figures from the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations show that unemployment of IT professionals averaged 3.8 percent in 2002".

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    Can someone remind Senator Als ...Anonymous -- 20/02/03

    Can someone remind Senator Alston, that ultimately he is a "Public Servant". This means in spite of his personal dislikes for the President of the ACS, he has a obligation to actually do something constructive in relation to his portfolio.

    If the Senator can pull himself away from the TV, and would care to meet with some real people, then I can show him the 60-80 applicants for any one job, the highly talented and qualified people, that are delivering pizzas.

    Sure, this doesn't show up in Government statistics for a very good set of reasons. 1. Many of these people have established companies in order to protect themselves in doing business. They remain as employees of their companies in spite of the company or the individual being unable to secure work. 2. Many of these people have worked hard, and paid lots of taxes along the way to establish a "nest egg", ergo, they fail the "Asset tests" for assistance, which means that they don't show up in the statistics, but rest assured Senator, they are real, and they are there.

    I won't even touch on the rampant inefficiencies in the Public Service, and it's deployment of IT, that is too depressing a story...

    One day Alston might pull his ...Anonymous -- 21/02/03

    One day Alston might pull his head from his proverbial a*se and see the truth. But I guess when that happens hell will have frozen over.
    (Yes I still manage to have a job and it's in the private sector, no thanks to Alston)

    Also is a fool, always has bee ...Brenton Thomas -- 21/02/03

    Also is a fool, always has been and always will be. Just think back on any of his comments. Research to him is talking to public servants and spouting the figures the PS have put together to make themselves look good.

    I am out of work and have been for a long time. nearly all my friends are out of work, and those that are in work are working reduced hours. It has been this way for at least two years.

    The worst bit is that the ACS numbers are probably low - simply because those of us who have been out for a while simply do not have the money to pay for the ACS renewal.

    The only thing I will agree on is that we need better figures. Without a union all we have is the ACS and it doesn't help non members - it is too academic, and it lacks agression.

    Brenton.Thomas@HardYards.info

    (Zdnet - please fix your email form so that it accepts .info addresses!!!)

    Can someone suggest a neat way ...Andy Anderson -- 21/02/03

    Can someone suggest a neat way of establishing an accurate figure for the number of people who are unemployed? I'm not a member of the ACS but completed their questionnaire after seeing it on ZDNet. I'm sure not everyone is aware of ZDNET. Does everyone read The Australian on Tuesday? I doubt it. I am out of work but not in the unemployed figures because I don't qualify for the dole. Alston is a politician and he knows the figures are wrong. They are too low.

    Down with the Alienation of Personal Income Act! Down with Big Brother!

    There are people I know that h ...Anonymous -- 21/02/03

    There are people I know that have dropped out of IT or simply stopped looking. Particularly in the older age group, so perhaps its a case of hidden unemployment.

    Senator Ludite...oops Alston i ...K.Styles -- 21/02/03

    Senator Ludite...oops Alston is at it again. The man is an idiot. He 'believes' the crap feed to him by the PS D$ckheads.

    I am a retired IT professional. I am still very fit and active but due to my age I am unable to secure a job in an industry that remains of high interest to me. I keep abreast of the latest developments in IT on a daily basis.

    I don't rate a mention in the Senators figures because I don't belong to the ACS and I am not on the PS (Centrelink) books as a job seeker. They regard me as a hasbeen! I might be an age pensioner but my brain and body is still as active as it was 30 years ago.

    God save us from the drivel Alston dishes out almost daily!!!!

    No Dick, you have it wrong. AC ...MrDamage -- 21/02/03

    No Dick, you have it wrong.

    ACS is taking into account that a lot of IT professionals have a side company set up that is for "weekend work" so to speak. When times get lean, we tighten our belt, and try to live off the meager earnings of a couple of repairs a week. We dont go on the dole, we grin and bear it.

    The 3.8% figures you are quoting is for the IT Exec field, which is totally different. "How?" I hear you ask.
    Simple
    IT Exec are like politicians. Full of hot air, grandstanding, and more than eager to send our troops into battle just because you dont want to be seen buying viagra.
    The IT professionals are the ones who get shot on the front lines, all because the Execs couldnt pull their heads out of their collective @rseholes to figure out which way is north.

    Just my $0.02 (GST not included, its a matter of principle)

    Mr Alston should hand his head ...Anonymous -- 21/02/03

    Mr Alston should hand his head in shame. He is an idiot at best and a demonstrated fool every other time.

    How can anyone believe what he has to say given his track record. For example he hopes to encourage better content rich web sites to increase internet use on one hand, while supporting broadband "capping" as a sensible thing to do on the other.

    His IT employment numbers are just more of the same garbage he has been dishing out for years.

    And I'll bet he had to ask a Technician (probably ex IT) to install his new TV too.

    I can only echo the derision t ...Anonymous -- 22/02/03

    I can only echo the derision that the Senator's parroting of PS figures have attracted. It is unfortunate that the lazy, accident-prone Alston has been given any portfolio at all, let alone one that requires a reasonable level of mental capacity to comprehend and manage.
    Why does he not talk to the recruitment consultants who are deluged with applicants - many over qualified for the advertised role? Why are internet-advertised positions removed in a very short time, because of the excessive level of quality response?
    Get off your backside Alston and try to get something right, and make a positive impact on SOMETHING!
    I am a commited Liberal supporter. Alston is an embarassment, particularly in close-up personal discussion. Please Mr Howard, can the portfolio have someone with some relevant talent, or just any would do?

    2 grad postns 1400 applied nuf ...nojob -- 10/11/03

    2 grad postns 1400 applied nuff said

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