AU music industry slams prosecutor, magistrate, copyright law

Patrick Gray
19 November 2003 03:20 PM
Tags: mp3, patrick, piracy, gray, land, speck, mipi, wma
The Australian music industry has savaged the Commonwealth Department of Public Prosecution's (CDPP) handling of copyright infringement charges brought against three students.

The general manager of Music Industry Piracy Investigations (MIPI), Michael Speck, told ZDNet Australia the CDPP engaged in "secret negotiations" with the defendants -- who pleaded guilty to infringing copyright while operating the MP3 WMA Land Web site and were sentenced yesterday-- effectively locking the music industry out of the judicial process. Describing the suspended jail sentences as "disappointing", the piracy investigator has indicated the music industry will lobby the government to toughen up criminal provisions in the Copyright Act.

"[Apparently] it's appropriate to conduct secret negotiations with the defendants about what they'll admit to the court, but it's not appropriate for the victim to be informed about any deals and indeed... not the victims' place to be in court, according to a letter we received [from the CDPP] the night before yesterday," Speck said.

While Speck says it's not the music industry's place to appeal the decision, he said the prospect of the CDPP taking the matter before an appellate court seems unlikely. "I consider that given the lack of energy the CDPP has shown in this matter there won't be an appeal," he said.

The music industry isn't going to change its tactics, Speck said, however it may seek to alter legislative framework under which infringers are charged. "We live and work within an enforcement and judicial system that we must accept. We'll certainly be looking at the relevant provisions to see if we need to talk to government about amendments to legislation," he explained.

Speck believes the students should have served time for at least 18 months, he said, and described the actions of the sentencing magistrate as weak. "In effect, this magistrate talked tough and acted weak, but clearly it confirmed the need for these types of actions."

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    I wonder if this guy realises that every word which oozes out of his mouth like slime makes peoples resolve to shaft the music industry grow stronger. I don't condone shafting musicians either , but when the music industries side goes to extremeThe Hulk -- 19/11/03

    I wonder if this guy realises that every word which oozes out of his mouth like slime makes peoples resolve to shaft the music industry grow stronger.

    I don't condone shafting musicians either , but when the music industries side goes to extremes in order to prosecute citizens , it's not too hard to comprehend a lack of compassion will exist on the other side - which is a much larger side that the music industry depends on for income.

    Go ahead and lock everyone up so no one can buy cd's - what will be the reason for sales being down then?

    >Apparently] it's appropriate to conduct secret negotiations with the defendants about what they'll admit to the court Of course it is... plea bargains are a normal part of the Judaical process... they save the courts money and make life easiAnonymous -- 19/11/03

    >Apparently] it's appropriate to conduct secret negotiations with the defendants about what they'll admit to the court

    Of course it is... plea bargains are a normal part of the Judaical process... they save the courts money and make life easier for everyone, if the barging process was public it would destroy the point...

    18 months? They should pull their finger out. Consider that there is no legal MP3 downloading service in Australia. The judge was more than justified in providing lenient sentences because there was no "legal" model that was losing monAnonymous -- 20/11/03

    18 months? They should pull their finger out.

    Consider that there is no legal MP3 downloading service in Australia. The judge was more than justified in providing lenient sentences because there was no "legal" model that was losing money to them. Also they were first time offenders, and were not making money out of the venture. So the record companies should pull their finger out.

    As for the police and judges determining their sentence, well thats how the law works. The music industry would like to be judge jury and executioner, just like the Gestapo or KGB.

    The music industry is acting more like the Mafia and they wonder why people don't like them.

    Didn't Warner and Universal get done earlier this year for threatening retailers who imported cheaper CDs?Anonymous -- 20/11/03

    Didn't Warner and Universal get done earlier this year for threatening retailers who imported cheaper CDs?

    Wind the clock back 20 years or so and remember the major record industry crying about the death of music because people could 'tape'their vinyl records ! Put your hands up if you have never taped a record, or a friends record, or songs from the radiAnonymous -- 20/11/03

    Wind the clock back 20 years or so and remember the major record industry crying about the death of music because people could 'tape'their vinyl records !
    Put your hands up if you have never taped a record, or a friends record, or songs from the radio, or borrowed a taped recording?

    The major record industry is a dying breed, and is gasping it's last breath realising that the boat sailed away a long time a go

    By the way, I am a musician who has signed to major and independant labels with releases over the last 15 years.

    Internet downloading has only added to my slightly huge collection of vinyl/cd collection, because it has opened up a doorway to many peers/artists that I would never have heard of if I had left it up to the usual suspects!

    The magistrate here stated very clearly that the appropriate sentence was 18 months in gaol. He acknowledged that in many other countries you would go to gaol for the crime. He found an excuse to avoid doing what he stated was appropriate. I loomichael speck -- 21/11/03

    The magistrate here stated very clearly that the appropriate sentence was 18 months in gaol. He acknowledged that in many other countries you would go to gaol for the crime. He found an excuse to avoid doing what he stated was appropriate.

    I look forward to comments from anyone who has read the judgement rather than workshop imaginative aliases.

    Plea bargains are part of the normal justice dispensed on television cop shows. Imagine if you were a victim of a crime and the police employed a senior barrister to keep you away from court while they did a deal with the crooks.

    Finally, pirates are one of the main reason that there is no legal download model available at the moment in Australia. Is Tom Sugar suggesting that Grace Bros have got it wrong and that we should licence shoplifters?

    Record companies are the real criminals, exploiting artists, price fixing, bullying record stores who stock legally imported CDs, etc etc. The industry is run by an oligolpoly of record companies who control the market and are free to do whatever they wanAnonymous -- 25/11/03

    Record companies are the real criminals, exploiting artists, price fixing, bullying record stores who stock legally imported CDs, etc etc. The industry is run by an oligolpoly of record companies who control the market and are free to do whatever they want, and with rumours of 4 major record companies merging into 2 big ones...what does the future hold? $35, $40 CDs with 10 "filler" tracks and 1 or 2 good ones? How hypocritical is it when you buy a Sony MP3 player and you cannot even purchase a legal top 40 sony music mp3 in Australia? And you can;t convert to mp3 the sony music CD you bought? Speck you say you want to go after the people who are profiting from piracy? Go after Sony then, they make CD, DVD burners, and blank media which YOU claim are primarily used for pirating music CDs. Is sony trying to profit or stop piracy? Then you have a good reason going after ISPs because everyone who uses the net primarily uses it to download music.

    I fail to see any basis for complaints from the music industry. If this is a criminal case, and it would appear to be so due to the presence of the DPP, then the victim has no say in any deal done with the defendant. This has always been the case in crimiAnonymous -- 07/12/03

    I fail to see any basis for complaints from the music industry. If this is a criminal case, and it would appear to be so due to the presence of the DPP, then the victim has no say in any deal done with the defendant. This has always been the case in criminal cases.

    If this case was a civil case and the music industry therefore has the right to be party to any deals, then why is the DPP getting involved? Call me naive, but doesn't the DPP only handle criminal cases?

    Sooner or later the big media copyrights will expire. Disney has gotten thiers extended several times, it can't go on forever. They know it. Now 'they' see P2P spreading any number of digital 'masters' at all hours. They are scared. What Anonymous -- 08/02/04

    Sooner or later the big media copyrights will expire. Disney has gotten thiers extended several times, it can't go on forever.
    They know it.
    Now 'they' see P2P spreading any number of digital 'masters' at all hours. They are scared.
    What will happen to their stock prices once all their assets are public domain? Yeah, of course they will try anything possible.

    Mr Speck. The standard of your morals and ethics are illustrated to all. After all, criminals who engaged in such activity should definately have received 18 months in Gaol, because some a-moral corporation have lost money. Even that assertatioAnonymous -- 09/02/04

    Mr Speck.

    The standard of your morals and ethics are illustrated to all. After all, criminals who engaged in such activity should definately have received 18 months in Gaol, because some a-moral corporation have lost money. Even that assertation is doubltful. The logic of lost sales is certainly not what the music industry claims. If my rich Aunty gives me a Porche from America and ships it over here to Australia, it is not right to say that Porche Australia have lost a sale, as I don't have the money to buy a Porche, so I would never have purchased it anyway even though I would enjoy driving it. (Perhaps ARIA could donate 50% of their profits to help feed poor people in 3rd world countries, I would then care for their arguements on the rights and wrongs of things. )

    This is what you forget about your music (actually not even your music, but that of the companies you represent. I wonder if you have any music on your PC and if you have payed for it all.) people have only so much money, many of the biggest music pirates are also the biggest music buyers, but they don't have infinite pockets, so they will only buy so much music.

    I just hope to see your Organisation file for Chapter 11, or the Australian equivalent preceedings one day

    I would think you people would be more concerned about not being able to arm your selves than you are if you are so upset about something as mundane as music downloading. Government's primary function is to let the people alone and to make sure other peopAnonymous -- 14/04/04

    I would think you people would be more concerned about not being able to arm your selves than you are if you are so upset about something as mundane as music downloading. Government's primary function is to let the people alone and to make sure other people do the same. If they don't then toss them out with "extreme prejudice".

    **** off michael and go and find something more importaNT to do, like sort out your personal life or something.....Anonymous -- 28/06/04

    **** off michael and go and find something more importaNT to do, like sort out your personal life or something.....

    Disney made it's fortune beginning with public domain sources, such as pinocio, snow white, etc etc... Mickey mouse had 50 years with disney... Now it's another 20 years... as in 70 years. Part of the future as we know it will be a fight over public domaiAnonymous -- 28/09/04

    Disney made it's fortune beginning with public domain sources, such as pinocio, snow white, etc etc... Mickey mouse had 50 years with disney... Now it's another 20 years... as in 70 years. Part of the future as we know it will be a fight over public domain and "private" material in all forms... even water.

    ~Anon

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