AU ISPs hose down call for regulation

Patrick Gray
04 March 2003 04:50 PM
Tags: isps, internet, howard, regulation, gray, patrick, parent, hamilton
A think-tank whose new report has sparked a national outcry over underage access to pornographic Internet content has slammed Internet service providers' stance on filtering and blocking technologies as "irresponsible".

The Australia Institute's executive director, Clive Hamilton, made the comment to ZDNet Australia   following a report in a Sydney newspaper today claiming the nation's broadcasting authority was set to ditch one popular filtering technology due to a failure rate of more than one-third.

However, the managing director of ISP Netspace Online Systems, Stuart Marburg, has described blocking technologies as too difficult and costly to set up and administer, and says they can be evaded through the use of anonymous proxies and other techniques. Marburg also told ZDNet Australia that filtering technologies degraded network performance and blocked legitimate content.

The debate began when the Australia Institute, a self-described "public interest think tank", released a report into the exposure of children to pornography yesterday which spawned intense mainstream media interest and public debate.

The Institute followed that up with a statement that savaged the co-regulatory scheme for Internet content regulation. The report claimed that "regulation of pornography is manifestly failing" and the Australian Broadcasting Authority "seems to be more concerned to promote the use of the Internet than to protect children from its dangers".

Today's damning report also prompted the Prime Minister to announce that he is looking into tightening the relevant legislation.

Hamilton today savaged ISPs that claimed server-based content filtering technologies were not feasible.

"The ISP's themselves are actively undermining the government's legislation," he said.

Hamilton also believes ISPs are resisting their call for the implementation of industry-wide filtering because it would eat into their profits.

"The Internet industry has got to be brought back to the real world; they're just like any other industry but they've got away with murder because they've convinced politicians that they've saved the world," he said.

But Marburg says that the onus should be on parents to protect their children from explicit material.

"I believe that parents should supervise their children while using the Internet... it's a parenting responsibility, just like television, videos and magazines," he said.

Marburg described implementing the technology in its current form as "unfeasible" in many ways and dismissed accusations that Internet service providers are interested in safeguarding profits generated through allowing children to access the Internet.

"The support and administration time that's dealt with explaining these issues to parents and responding to complaints probably outweighs those profits," he said.

He says that the blocking technologies are too hard to set up and administer, and they can be bypassed through the use of technologies such as tunneled anonymous proxies.

"If the children are smart enough they can get the material anyway... parents have to remember that kids have been using computers since they were four to six years old," he said.

But Hamilton says he's outraged by this position.

"For industry people to dump it on parents is outrageous," he said, describing the position of ISPs in general as a "commercially driven morality".

Electronic Frontiers Australia, an online civil liberties organisation, also slammed current legislation and recommended that it be repealed, however they stopped short of suggesting that ISP's be forced to implement across the board filtering.

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    Typical of the ISP industry to say that it's a parent's responsibility to shield their children from inappropriate sites... The whole debate involves far more than just keeping kids out of porno sites. It's also about ISP's being able Anonymous -- 05/03/03

    Typical of the ISP industry to say that it's a parent's responsibility to shield their children from inappropriate sites...

    The whole debate involves far more than just keeping kids out of porno sites.

    It's also about ISP's being able to stop forced redirection of people to porn and other sites against their wishes (via popups etc) but choosing not to. To do so would impact their revenue streams substantially - end users pay for this crap either by the megabyte or by the hour.

    And while it may be possible to circumvent blocking technologies via anonymous proxies, end-users have to go out of their way to do this. Let those who want to get at porn circumvent these blocking systems if they want - I couldn't care. But let those of us who don't want porn crap have the block available!

    It would seem that the easiest way around this would be for some ISP's to provide two services, one unblocked and one blocked, and let the customer choose which one they want to use. Let the market decide. But the ISP's don't seem to want to even try.

    It is utterly rediculous to make ISPs responsible for preventing children accessing pornography! Apart from the fact that this is most certainly the duty of a parent, the technical problems involved are horrendous. Are we going to let our country turn iAnonymous -- 05/03/03

    It is utterly rediculous to make ISPs responsible for preventing children accessing pornography! Apart from the fact that this is most certainly the duty of a parent, the technical problems involved are horrendous. Are we going to let our country turn into another China, where censorship is brought about to stop the general populace from accessing material which may undermine government views? This IS what it amounts to... what about adults who have a legal right to access this material? Are we going to censor material from the whole population just to protect a minority group, which by all rights should be protected by their own parents? It is the parents who are neglecting their responsibility when not supervising their children, or installing adequate blocking software on home computers. If we are to believe the government on this matter, why not ban all pornographic magazines, videos and for that matter, all television programming not suitable for children... You can bet your house that the whole population will be up in arms then! It's amazing to me how short sighted proponents of filtering can be. We are supposed to be living in a democratic society.

    Jason - you write... "Apart from the fact that this is most certainly the duty of a parent, the technical problems involved are horrendous." I do not think that the technical problems involved are horrendous. Various companieAdam Sandler -- 05/03/03

    Jason - you write...

    "Apart from the fact that this is most certainly the duty of a parent, the technical problems involved are horrendous."

    I do not think that the technical problems involved are horrendous. Various companies write blocking style software than can be applied to enterprise and ISP class systems.

    "Are we going to let our country turn into another China, where censorship is brought about to stop the general populace from accessing material which may undermine government views?"

    Sorry, but this is the usual knee-jerk reaction I find so common to those who oppose filtering. They assume that just because one thing will be filtered, everything will be filtered. Maybe I'm just being naive though..

    "This IS what it amounts to... what about adults who have a legal right to access this material?"

    My sugestion to make two classes of service available to users (those who want it and those who don't) would not stop adults from getting at this material. Nor would requiring adults to register for such services stop them getting to it. Oh - you're worried about your name going on a list somewhere? Why? You're not doing anything wrong are you ;-)

    "Are we going to censor material from the whole population just to protect a minority group, which by all rights should be protected by their own parents?"

    We do protect our children from stuff like this, using some of the means you outline. However, as I mentioned earlier, it would be easier for us if we had some upstream help.

    "If we are to believe the government on this matter, why not ban all pornographic magazines, videos and for that matter, all television programming not suitable for children..."

    In the 'real world' we do have laws that restrict the availability of certain types of pornography (actually, most of it). Why should those laws apply in the real-world but not in cyberspace? Are you proposing that we make pornography available to twelve year olds over the counter legally too?

    "We are supposed to be living in a democratic society.". Yes, we are. And living in a democracy allows people to have different views.

    As a parent, I don't feel that I'm neglectful of my children when they use the internet, as I do monitor what they do. And it's more than just porn that they are exposed to!

    But as an internet user, I'd like to be able to subscribe to a service that will do its best to ensure that I don't have porno pop-ups.

    Adam, I agree whole-heartedly with your suggestion that we have two classes of internet access... One kiddy safe and one uncensored. However, this is not what has been suggested. I am objecting to the censorship of the "real" internet, which yAnonymous -- 06/03/03

    Adam, I agree whole-heartedly with your suggestion that we have two classes of internet access... One kiddy safe and one uncensored. However, this is not what has been suggested. I am objecting to the censorship of the "real" internet, which you and I access today. Regulation is not the answer to this problem... there should be possibly a strong suggestion by the government for ISPs to provide a child-safe service, and be allowed to charge for the effort required to maintain it, and believe me, there is certainly a lot of effort required to maintain such a massive blacklist as to provide porn and smut free surfing for children. If parents don't want to put the effort into monitoring their child's use of the internet, then they should be required to pay for someone to do it. It is not the responsibility of the government, or our tax dollars to do the job of the parent. Enough money has already been wasted by this govenment on measures which were neither well thought out, or well debated. Let's not have another rushed decision, which could send more of our money down the drain.

    We are a New Zealand family, and get our internet access through www.maxnet.co.nz; and they provide a server based blocking service called net guardian. It isn't infallible, but our kids know they have no easy access to stuff that is wrong. Maxnet seem Anonymous -- 29/09/04

    We are a New Zealand family, and get our internet access through www.maxnet.co.nz; and they provide a server based blocking service called net guardian. It isn't infallible, but our kids know they have no easy access to stuff that is wrong. Maxnet seem to have no problem with providing this service, and are one of the top and fastest growing ISPs in NZ. Perhaps the Aussi providers could take a leaf out of their book.

    Clive Haliday

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