38,000 Optus users double-billed: No refund offered

By Patrick Gray
02 December 2003 04:00 PM
Tags: optu, refund, affected, reverse, customer, memo
Optus is refusing to offer refunds to over 38,000 Optus pay TV and Internet subscribers double-billed in what has been described as a "manual processing error".

All NSW-based OptusNet and Optus pay-TV users paying by credit card direct debit are affected, and the company said it won't be offering refunds to the 20,000 pay TV and 18,000 high speed Internet subscribers affected unless there are special circumstances, according to a company spokesperson. However, an internal Optus memo obtained by ZDNet Australia  takes a harder line.

"This deduction will not be reversed, however Optus will not deduct any funds from customers' credit cards for December. The next deduction will occur in January 2004," the memo reads. "Note: Customers impacted will not have this amount reversed or credited back for November."

Customer service scripts for dealing with affected Optus customers in the e-mail memo indicate how unlikely it is that affected subscribers will receive a refund. "Unfortunately we are unable to reverse this charge, but will ensure you are not charged in December. Your next charge will appear on your Credit Card Statement in January," Optus staff are being instructed to say. "Please Note: If the customer insists on Optus reversing the charge, then refer this to your Team Leader as per normal procedure," a script note reads.

A spokesperson for the company took a somewhat softer approach. "I would say we would not refund unless there's a specific reason," she said. "If you ring up and specifically need a refund, we'll look at it on a case by case basis."

The company representative refused to give the number of affected users -- prior to the leaking of the internal memo -- describing a breakdown in the number of credit card direct debit customers as information "material to the business" and hence not suitable for public disclosure.

While the spokesperson would not be drawn on whether or not the forced pre-payment was "fair", she urged customers to get in contact with the company. "If there are problems, we're happy to have people call us and discuss it," she said.

Optus would not comment on why it would not reverse the transactions or offer refunds to customers affected by the slip-up.

Customers affected by the billing mistake can contact Optus on 133 937.

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Talkback 8 comments

    When you consider it in relati ...Anonymous -- 04/12/03

    When you consider it in relation to other expenses it is a relatively insignificant amount. Therefore I have no real problem with the "no refund" but no December bill.

    Apart from this minor stuff up their service is fist class, both technically and administratively

    Theft is theft, a singls bill ...Anonymous -- 04/12/03

    Theft is theft, a singls bill is agreed to between Optus and the customers an additional bill is not agreed hence theft. For Optus to demand a special reason prior to providing a refund for stealing money from your account is really a clear statement by Optus as to how little respect thay have for their customers, and only goes to prove that providing direct debits to a company like Optus is foolish as they have just proven they cannot be trusted with that kind of authority.

    Optus seems to hold the same r ...Anonymous -- 04/12/03

    Optus seems to hold the same regard for their staff members as they do for their customers. Someone I know well, works at Optus, her very first paycheque was double what it should have been. She pointed this out to the payroll office, there was no 'thankyou for bringing this to our attention', instead a request for a cheque for the overpaid amount. I am told this overpayment occurred with a large number of staff

    On the surface it looks like n ...Anonymous -- 04/12/03

    On the surface it looks like no-one is any worse off because of this mistake. Except for one minor detail... interest. This error will cause the credit card balances of all affected customers to be, for one month, higher than they otherwise would have been. More debt = more interest.

    Therefore simply not billing them for December will not do. Optus should discount the January bills as well.

    So now they can charge 10 or 1 ...Anonymous -- 04/12/03

    So now they can charge 10 or 12 months in advance, and not refund, if we carry their faulty logic to its conclusion. And if you dispute the charges, tough bananas.

    Re: Anonymouspost below: " ...Peter -- 13/12/03

    Re: Anonymouspost below:

    "On the surface it looks like no-one is any worse off because of this mistake. Except for one minor detail... interest. This error will cause the credit card balances of all affected customers to be, for one month, higher than they otherwise would have been. More debt = more interest.

    Therefore simply not billing them for December will not do. Optus should discount the January bills as well."

    And for people who budget this throws it all out of whack. Optus should pay the interest rates as well for this transaction and into the bargain i won't be back to Optus for any services NIL - ZILCH - ZERO.
    1 more lost customer here.

    Re: Anonymouspost below: " ...Anonymous -- 13/12/03

    Re: Anonymouspost below:

    "On the surface it looks like no-one is any worse off because of this mistake. Except for one minor detail... interest. This error will cause the credit card balances of all affected customers to be, for one month, higher than they otherwise would have been. More debt = more interest.

    Therefore simply not billing them for December will not do. Optus should discount the January bills as well."

    And for people who budget this throws it all out of whack. Optus should pay the interest rates as well for this transaction and into the bargain i won't be back to Optus for any services NIL - ZILCH - ZERO.
    1 more lost customer here.

    I had a problem logging onto t ...Anonymous -- 05/04/04

    I had a problem logging onto the net through Optus connection which then I asked the technical department to locate what the problem was, they suggested to have a technician out here and advised that there would be a charge of $99 IF they located the problem at my end eg. loose cable connection, faulty equipment etc........

    Next day the technician arrived to trouble shoot, he was unable to locate the problem or explain to me what the exact problem was not only that he had no way of testing the modem to see if it was functioning correctly(which was repsonding to their pinging signal when I rang up). He then went ahead and changed the modem = extra $89 on top of the $99 outcall charge, plus few calls to the exchange later very conveniently the connection worked hours later after the modem $wap over.

    I am now left with the extra $189 bill which I thought I was agreed only to have the technician coming out here to locate the problem, the symptom with my connection was that it only allowed me to log on at different time.

    After reading your article, I feel very sceptical about the way Optus runs their business and the ways they can set up their customers to maximise profit.

    Since then I have then spoken to their technical support to see if there is any way to test the modem, since I don't want to be charged for a new modem which I might not need and the tech outcall if it was something wrong with their network.

    They then wanted to charge me another $99 for the technician callout if I want to use the old modem again to test, insisting it was the problem with my modem to justify the bill of $189 modem $wap over and ultilising the scare tactic of additional $99 outcall charge to dismiss the query.

    I am feeling very ripped off and was wondering if there is an easy way to test my modem to see if in fact it there was actually something wrong with it, the tech insisted that he had no way of testing the cable modem even with his $10K mobile spectrum analyser. Isn't there a way to monitor the output of the cable modem through the spectrum analyser for testing when I launch my browser to log onto the net?

    How hard would it be for Optus to mess with your connection randomly and pull this sort of $189 scam on any given day to raise their profit? Especially when the tech with a $10K spectrum analyser telling you they have no way of testing the modem whatsoever to see if it is working correctly, just needed to make a few phone calls to the exchange and make every OK again after the modem $wap over?

    Am I being paranoid? Any thoughts?

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