Cashless tollways neglect bike riders: Motorcycle Council of NSW

Abby Dinham, ZDNet Australia

23 September 2004 05:21 PM

Tags: e-tag, gate, motorcycle, traffic, bike, rta, abby, nsw

The chairman of the Motorcycle Council of NSW has expressed his outrage at the Road Traffic Authority's (RTA) "neglect" of motorcycle riders in its planned cashless tollways, saying the RTA has "not considered motorcycle riders in their plans".

Guy Stanford told ZDNet Australia today that the council has had "several issues" with the RTA, the most recent arising over e-tags, as he said "the cross city tunnel is about to go e-tag only and no other technology is being offered to bike riders". According to Stanford standard e-tag devices are unsuitable for motorcycle riders.

"Some riders use the e-tag for a car, but it is dangerous to use and unreliable unless waved around by hand while riding through the gate," he said. "Doing this in peak hour traffic is just plain dangerous."

According to Stanford "despite strenuous efforts by the RTA, its contractors and co-operation with the Motorcycle Council of NSW, no suitable e-tag is even on the horizon".

Communications Director of the RTA, Paul Willoughby, asserted that e-tags are not becoming compulsory, as he said car and motorcycle drivers who do not display an e-tag when driving through an automatic tollgate will be photographed and charges will be made to their e-tag account or a fine sent to the vehicles owner's home address.

Yet, Willoughby admitted that the charges applied to vehicles that are photographed will be more than those applied to e-tag equipped drivers, making the charges higher for motorcycle riders using tollways.

When questioned as to the alternative for motorcycle riders on cashless tollways Willoughby refused to answer any more questions.

Stanford said this method of charging bike riders for using the tollways is "totally unreasonable".

"We are quite happy to work within the system, just give us e-tags that will work," said Stanford. "Why should we [motorcycle riders] be paying for their failure within public policy?"

Stanford said there has been a "failure" in the construction of road and traffic policy, as he said the RTA is not speaking to organisations such as the Motorcycle Council before it announces new strategies.

"There has been a breakdown of community consultation in the policy process recently," said Stanford.

"We have been discussing the issue of e-tags for three-four years and we still don't have anything that works, and we are happy to work with the user pays system but it has to be fair," he said.

Stanford said all the possible solutions to the e-tag dilemma that have been considered have "serious shortcomings", as "with vibration, exposure to all weather and inability to orient the antenna for reliable use" a suitable design has not been found.

"This is due to significant problems in mounting in or on the small frontal area available and the vast array of differing frontal designs. Only a selection of motorcycles can be mounted with one or other of the proposed designs. All are expensive to implement," he said.

"The only solution appears to be to allow motorcycles to go free, or put in a pay booth."

According to Stanford, motorcycle riders in Melbourne are not charged by the cashless e-tag only tollgates. However, he said the recent move by the NSW RTA is typical of the "30 years of neglect" it has received in the past.

"The RTA has a lot to catch up on," he said.

Stanford claims motorcycle riders provide the most efficient use of the infrastructure, as they contribute little to road deterioration and traffic problems. However he said bike riders face "continual problems" on the road including paying too much for regular cash tollways and issues with bay parking.

"A further compounding problem is that motorcycles are charged the same rate of toll as cars and this is seen as unreasonable by motorcycle riders," he said. "A motorcycle has almost zero foot-print in congested traffic and has immaterial wear on the road as well as being very ecologically sound with low weight, clean exhaust and small engine size."

Stanford said from research taken by the Motorcycle Council appropriate rate for a bike on the Harbour Bridge should be AU77 cents, however he adds "when you talk about light weight motorcycles we're actually in the negative, we should be paid".

Stanford adds that bike riders also face problems in bay parking, as he said "at least four bikes can fit into a car spot but we are expected to pay the same parking fee". He said displaying the paper tags to validate the parking space also presents problem to motorcycle riders.

"Motorcycles are not only invisible to cars on the road but are also invisible to public policy," he said.

Like this article? Click below to send it to your mobile for free!

Talkback 5 comments

  1. From a convenient and environmental point of view why not encourage motorcycling by allowing them to travel free on tollways. Common sense dictates that motorcycles are less polluting and take up less space on our crowded roads. Add to that the ability to Anonymous -- 24/09/04

    From a convenient and environmental point of view why not encourage motorcycling by allowing them to travel free on tollways. Common sense dictates that motorcycles are less polluting and take up less space on our crowded roads. Add to that the ability to park more per M3 and it is good policy.

  2. Excellent Excellent. Now if only the RIGHT people in government/ABI Group etc get to read and UNDERSTAND what the Motorcycle riders have to continually put up with in regards to Policy implimentations. Lets hope and prey the do.... Anonymous -- 27/09/04

    Excellent Excellent. Now if only the RIGHT people in government/ABI Group etc get to read and UNDERSTAND what the Motorcycle riders have to continually put up with in regards to Policy implimentations. Lets hope and prey the do....

  3. I have to agree with Stanfords comments. For some time now is seems that motorcycle riders are , and have been, the target for many forms of "revenue raising" excercises such as noise suppression, or lack of it,with hefty fines being unreasonabl Anonymous -- 27/09/04

    I have to agree with Stanfords comments. For some time now is seems that motorcycle riders are , and have been, the target for many forms of "revenue raising" excercises such as noise suppression, or lack of it,with hefty fines being unreasonably and liberally handed out, and even signs being erected advising that police are especially targetting motorcyclist who are speeding. You know, I thought that they were paid by us, the taxpayer, to uphold the law equally and equitably. Maybe I was being a little naive in that opinion, as, in these days, the police are even reluctant to issue a warning, as if it gets out, they may be reprimanded for not doing their duty, and get a black mark in the copy book.

  4. So what's new? 270 bike parks across all of Sydney City Council More and more buildings kicking employees motorcycles off the premises. Cars and trucks parking in the bike spots No commercial parking alternatives - Anonymous -- 08/11/04

    So what's new?

    270 bike parks across all of Sydney City Council

    More and more buildings kicking employees motorcycles off the premises.

    Cars and trucks parking in the bike spots

    No commercial parking alternatives - even if you want to pay for it - you can't!

    Oh well move to the country or catch a bus or drive a 4WD in and enjoy the fumes

    1. FOR SALE NEW 2007 Specialized Epic Comp Mountain Bike ALONSO -- 28/11/08

      Dear Customers,

      Bike world Ltd is one of the leading bike distributors.We are Legitimate registered Company under licensed number(RC43215).We ship via FedEx or UPS, and your ordered items will get to your door step within 48 hrs(Two Working Day).We sell all kinds Cannondale, Cervelo, Ellsworth, Giant, Jamis, Klein, Kona, Litespeed, Rocky Mountain, Santa Cruz, Specialized, Trek, Gary Fisher bikes.

      Contact :
      mountainworld1@gmail.com
      mountainworld2@gmail.com

      Here are some of our best offers:

      NEW 2008 Kona Dawg Primo Mountain Bike $1,200

      NEW 2008 Kona Kula Supreme Mountain Bike $1,900

      NEW 2008 Kona Stinky Mountain Bike $1,000
      NEW 2008 Kona Kula Lisa Mountain Bike $1,000
      NEW 2008 Kona Four Lisa Mountain Bike $1000
      NEW 2008 Kona Blast Deluxe - Gold - SRP $900
      NEW 2007 Kona Dawg Primo Mountain Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Kona Kula Supreme Mountain Bike $1,900
      NEW 2007 Kona Stinky Mountain Bike $1,100
      NEW 2008 Kona Blast Deluxe - Gold - SRP $900

      NEW 2008 CANNONDALE Rush Carbon 4 Bike $1,700
      NEW 2008 CANNONDALE Rush 6 Bike $1,400
      NEW 2008 CANNONDALE Caffine F1 Feminine Bike $1000
      NEW 2007 Cannondale Road Tandem Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Cannondale F4000 SL Mountain Bike $2,400
      NEW 2007 Cannondale Gemini 900 Mountain Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Cannondale Mountain Tandem Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Cannondale Prophet 4000 Mountain Bike $2,600
      NEW 2007 Cannondale R1000 Road Bike $1,000
      NEW 2007 Cannondale Scalpel 3000 Mountain Bike $2,600
      NEW 2007 Cannondale Six13 Team 1 Dura Ace Road Bike $2,400
      NEW 2008 CANNONDALE Moto 3 Carbon Bike $2,100

      NEW 2007 Cervelo Soloist Carbon Road Bike $2,300
      NEW 2007 Cervelo P3 Carbon Road Bike $2,300
      NEW 2007 Cervelo Soloist Team Road Bike $1,100

      NEW 2007 Ellsworth Epiphany Mountain Bike $2,500
      NEW 2007 Ellsworth Moment Mountain Bike $2,600
      NEW 2007 Ellsworth Truth Mountain Bike $2,200

      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 9 Bike $1,800
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 8 Bike $1,500
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 7 Bike $1,450
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 5.5 WSD Bike $1,100
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 6.5 Bike $1,200
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 5.5 Bike $1,150
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 8 WSD Bike $1,500
      NEW TREK 6700 WSD 2008 Bike $1,100
      NEW TREK 6500 WSD 2008 Bike $1,000
      NEW 2007 Trek 5000 Road Bike $1,100

      NEW 2007 Trek Pilot SL 5.9 Road Bike $1,900
      NEW 2007 Trek Tandem T 2000 Road Bike $1,500
      NEW 2007 Trek Madone SSL 6.9 Road Bike $2,900NEW 2007 Trek Top Fuel SL Mountain Bike $2,900
      NEW 2008 Trek 10 Session Bike $2,500
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 9.0 Bike $2,300
      NEW 2008 TREK Session 10 Bike $2,500
      NEW 2008 TREK Fuel EX 9.5 Bike $3000

      NEW 2007 Specialized Epic Comp Mountain Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Mountain Bike $1,000
      NEW 2007 Specialized Epic Marathon Mountain Bike $1,400
      NEW 2007 Specialized Roubaix Pro Road Bike $1,500
      NEW 2007 Specialized Ruby Pro Road Bike $1,450
      NEW 2007 Specialized Tarmac Pro Double Road Bike $1,700
      NEW 2007 Specialized Transition Pro Road Bike $1,800
      NEW 2007 Specialized S-Works Stumpjumper Fsr Carbon Bike $2,200

      NEW 2007 Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL Sram Road Bike $2,300
      NEW 2007 Specialized S-Works Roubaix Dura Ace Road Bike $2,400
      NEW 2007 Specialized Demo 8 Mountain Bike $2,000
      NEW 2007 Specialized Enduro SL Pro Carbon Mountain Bike $2,200

      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER HiFi Pro Carbon Bike $3000
      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER HiFi Carbon Bike $ 2,100
      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER HiFi Pro Bike $1,800
      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER Supercaliber Bike $1,550
      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER HiFi Deluxe Bike $1,600
      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER HiFi Plus Bike $1,200
      NEW 2008 GARY FISHER HiFi Deluxe GS Bike $1,500
      NEW 2007 Gary Fisher Cake 1 DLX Mountain Bike $1,500
      NEW 2007 Giant Anthem 1 Mountain Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Giant Reign X0 Mountain Bike $1,800
      NEW 2007 Giant Tcr Composite 1 Road Bike $1,500

      NEW 2007 Giant Trance 1 Mountain Bike $1,200
      NEW 2007 Jamis Dakar XC Pro Mountain Bike $1,900
      NEW 2007 Klein Q-Pro XV Road Bike $1,300

      NEW 2007 Litespeed Bella Road Bike $1,200
      NEW 20

Add your opinion


Sponsored content

Power Centre - Content from our premier sponsors

Blogs

  • Alex Serpo Will the NSW Govt put Linux in schools?
    The NSW Government's release this week of an expressions of interest tender to give low-cost laptops to every senior public school student in NSW is a big step, but will these systems be Windows or Linux?
  • Array Naked Mac versus protected PC: What wins?
    What's easier to manage — 200 Mac OS X systems without antivirus or 200 Windows systems running a leading antivirus package?
  • Array Dear Telstra: pack up your toys, go home
    Rejecting Telstra's proposal, after all, is the only conclusion Conroy can reach: as someone whose entire philosophy is built around transparency and process, he simply cannot keep Telstra as part of the NBN bidding process anymore.
  • More blogs »

Tags

Back to top

Featured