NBN Co's Mike Quigley unplugged

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Two years into the job as head of NBN Co, Twisted Wire spends half an hour with Mike Quigley to talk about his role and the progress of the nation's biggest ever infrastructure project.

Quigley is clearly enjoying his role, despite some of the challenges it provides. "There's a sense in the company that we are doing something that's important to the nation," he says, "and that's very satisfying."

When it comes to challenges, politics is almost certainly the biggest obstacle. He admits the magnitude of debate around the project has taken him aback, but suggests most of the discussion from politicians has been around competition policy. "I don't pretend to be a competition expert, I'm a network builder," he says, although we know that politicians, Malcolm Turnbull in particular, are questioning the philosophy of such a widespread fibre deployment.

On the prospect of a change in government, Quigley says that becomes a question for when it happens. In the meantime, he says, NBN Co "needs to proceed to execute on the plan that it has agreed with the government of the day". He says he hasn't been meeting with Malcolm Turnbull or other opposition members to discuss alternatives, outside Senate hearings and joint parliamentary committees.

Quigley's focus on delivering to government objectives is understandable — it is his one and only shareholder. But that task is being made harder with so many shifting goalposts, not least of which is the deal with Telstra. The extent to which NBN Co uses Telstra infrastructure is dependent on the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission agreeing on Telstra's approach to wholesale and retail separation. So, will delays such as this ultimately push back the roll-out schedule? Quigley says it has been necessary to suspend things but, he says, "we haven't reached anywhere near the point where we are spinning our wheels". In other words he expects the project to continue on schedule and within budget, at least for now.

Several Twisted Wire listeners asked why Alcatel was chosen for GPON equipment, when Alcatel still had some development work to do. Well, no vendor met all the requirements of the project, according to Quigley, so whoever was chosen would have had more development work to do. But why Alcatel, was this a case of jobs for the boys? Quigley's quick to point out that he was removed from the decision-making process, given the potential for conflict of interest.

There are many more topics covered in the program, from the selection of first release sites, to the decommissioning of HFC networks and the danger of building a company that has the same cultural difficulties experienced by Telstra and other large monopolies.

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Running time: 39 minutes 33 seconds

Talkback

How can we possibly justify spending the remainder of the $50 billion on an NBN project yet to deploy, when "AUSTRALIANS anxious to stay connected on the road have pushed wireless ahead of copper as the most common form of broadband."

Extract, Courtesy:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/wireless-internet-mobility-overtakes-copper/story-e6frgakx-1226150324720

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Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic September 29th, 2011
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Vasso, isn't a big part of that numerical increase in wireless connections just a natural function of how services are apportioned among devices? In my household, we have four mobile devices with their own mobile broadband, but only one fixed line service. It is the fixed line broadband, however, which does the lion's share of volume, which appears to be consistent with the national trend.

See ZDNet's own story at: http://www.zdnet.com.au/mobile-growth-wont-kill-fixed-line-accc-339322971.htm

"Wireless telecommunications services continue to grow, but not at the expense of fixed-line broadband, the competition watchdog has said.
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"Fixed broadband remains the dominant technology for downloading data, accounting for 91 per cent of data volumes." [extracted from linked ZDNet article]

GwyntaglawGwyntaglaw September 29th, 2011
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Without knowing how many people are wireless only, how many are fixed only and how many have both these numbers are pretty much meaningless if you want to claim fibre and wireless are not complementary. However something else to consider there are more people than premises and always will be so the comparison should really be percentage based. With that in mind 37% of premises are "ADSL" connected and "mobile wireless internet connections" are at 21%.

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale September 29th, 2011
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fyi vasso...

http://www.zdnet.com.au/mobile-growth-wont-kill-fixed-line-accc-339322971.htm

from within: "fixed broadband remains the dominant technology for downloading data, accounting for 91 per cent of data volumes."

even with all these devices, still only 9% of data is wireless...!

as mentioned previously, these are complimentary technologies. mobile for everyone in the family for small stuff, when on the go and one home fixed, for the serious stuff. or even more telling one mobile device for every employee and one fixed central office network for business.

obviously there will be more wireless devices, but the real work is still done by fixed and the stats prove it. how hard is that to understand for those who actually want to understand?

imagine how slow wireless would be if all of a sudden that 91% fixed became wireless? how many more towers would be needed? want a lovely tower outside your place? etc... we've been through it all before but alas!

my suggestion vasso, just as the opposition are saying, take anything Google says with a grain of salt, because the nbn is in their interests... in that case take everything the Australian (who's bread & butter is print media/newspaper sales) with a grain of salt too then, because it isn't in their interests to have better faster comms, killing off their paper sales is it now?

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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sorry gwyntaglaw, didn't realise you posted the same url. just thought i'd answer vasso...but you already did it :-)

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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No worrys, Beta... the truth bears repeating!

GwyntaglawGwyntaglaw September 29th, 2011
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Well, the substitution argument only holds credibility if those people who have wireless broadband don't also have fixed broadband.

As the article you link to says: the increase in wireless broadband connections was primarily due to demand from subscribers who already had a fixed-line service looking for an additional mobile connection to use away from home.

phildobbiephildobbie September 29th, 2011
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All those smartphones, iPads and tablets preferentially roam to Wi-Fi where available. (Even Malcolm Turnbull's iPad!) So already wireless consumption of data is partly delivered over 3G but preferentially delivered over WiFi, often at higher speeds and without the peak hour congestion experienced via mobile data towers.

umbriaumbria September 29th, 2011
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Vasso:
That's like saying we don't need to spend for building grocery stores & home kitchens any more 'cause Aussies "on the road" prefer Fast Food outlets.

grump3grump3 September 29th, 2011
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Aside from the tired fixed-vs-mobile nondebate, it was a terrific interview, Phil.

I've always come away impressed by Mike Quigley and his straightforwardness, honesty and capacity to handle this complex and challenging job. Regardless of anyone's views on the design of the NBN, that is surely something that people can agree on.

GwyntaglawGwyntaglaw September 29th, 2011
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Totally agree, even with the coalitions deliberate smear campaign he still manages to keep a level head. (Added to the Hall of Awesome btw: http://delimiter.com.au/forum/national-broadband-network/485-hall-awesome.html)

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale September 29th, 2011
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Yes Gwyntaglaw - he is a nice guy too!

phildobbiephildobbie September 29th, 2011
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It`s all very well carrying on about the NBN. We would just like to be able to access a half decent adsl service. We can`t even get adsl2 here. How about Telstra updating its telephone exchanges before worrying about "superfast broadband". That`s just a pipe dream on Bribie Island, and we are only a 50 minute drive from the centre of Brisbane. Hardly the outback!!!

toot52toot52 September 29th, 2011
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why not just say, well private enterprise haven't delivered and therefore won't...then get behind the only network which will, the nbn?

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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I question the justification of the big spend not suggesting that we decommission fixed-line services.

The $50 billion price tag NBN is the ultimate Rolls Royce fixed-service but is at risk of reaching obsolescence and / or run out of funds before final completion in the next decade. The idea was to fund the project using limited borrowings, 'persuade' Telstra to cede its network, replace copper with fiber optics and generate revenue to fund the deployment as they proceed.

Telstra agreed to lease its net work, and gradually close down of its wholesale division and concentrate at beefing up its Next 3 & 4 G mobile networks to compensate the potential loss of business for it's shareholders.

It Seems Optus will not rest until Telstra is demolished and the Singapore government's subsidiary reigns supreme in Australia's telecommunications sector.
It's nothing but wishful thinking on its part simply because Telstra has the business acumen to handle anything that is thrown at it. Albeit, Telstra's opponents have managed to delay the implementation of the NBN project resulting in waste of public funds through legal settlements to contractors over delays which will continue until some sanity prevails.

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic September 29th, 2011
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There's a series of odd statements here:

- Please provide your source for the figure "$50 billion". And no, quoting Malcolm Turnbull (or any politician for that matter) doesn't cut it. The NBN Co corporate plan states "$35.9 billion total Capex to the end of deployment period".
- "at risk of reaching obsolescence and / or run out of funds before final completion": these statements are fantasy. What evidence for "obsolescence"? Even a conservative roadmap for fibre speeds shows >10Gbps available in a decade's time. Please also provide a source for the "run out of funds" statement.
- "Telstra agreed...beefing up 3&4G mobile networks to compensate" It sounds as though you are arguing that Telstra had to be coerced or compelled into enhancing its mobile broadband provision. Such networks are likely to be highly lucrative for the foreseeable future - it was clearly in their own interest to pursue this over declining revenues from the legacy copper network.
- "Optus will not rest"? I don't think Optus has any more to do with the NBN than any other telco, and the swipe at Singapore is just bizarre. The idea that Optus will vanquish Telstra is novel, to say the least.
- "Telstra has the business acumen to handle anything that is thrown at it." Sounds like a claim for super powers! I'm sure they do have business acumen (David Thodey is no dim bulb), but they don't inherently possess more of it than any other telco.
- "Telstra's opponents have managed to delay the implementation of the NBN project..." Well, that's quite laughable. The ACCC might have other views, however. "If only Telstra had been given everything it wanted, then everything would be soooo much simpler! No more confusing 'competition'."

GwyntaglawGwyntaglaw September 29th, 2011
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Time will tell and you will not have to Wait too long.

About the cry baby Optus and ACCC, refer to the following,

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Optus-others-slam-Telstra-separation-plan-pd20110927-M4Q5W?OpenDocument

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic September 29th, 2011
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"cry baby"...?

as a self confessed "cheerleader of communications" those continued derogatory remarks towards one comms company while lauding perpetual praise on another, would suggest otherwise.

seriously, if you really were as you suggest, why would optus, telstra or the accc's own separate agendas bother you one iota?

surely you'd want what's best for us all, even if that meant optus (oops the cry baby) got there way wouldn't you?

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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I do, so let the NBN dice roll. VIZ:

"The ACCC has heard from NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley and the secretary of Communications Minister Stephen Conroy's department, Peter Harris, that the plan is the only realistic way to reform the telecommunications sector. "

But, Optus, won't let go. VIZ:

"Telstra will benefit from a systematic long-term advantage on the NBN because it will be favoured as part of the $11 billion deal between Telstra, the NBN Co and the federal government. "

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic September 29th, 2011
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you do (psst, as long as it helps telstra and my shares)...is that what you meant?

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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Yes, it helps fund my Self Funded Retirement (SFR). You should appreciate this effort on my part to ease the burden (Govt Pension) on the public purse.

Cheers

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic September 30th, 2011
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yes, which is why you are unable to see anything telstra clearly, thanks for the frank admission.

BetaBeta September 30th, 2011
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Vasso, for the life of me i can't find any evidence to say that fibre will be made obsolete by wireless, unless you pull that statement out of your $%# then prove me wrong. As to your reference about the wirless demand, it true that more and more device are wireless. Hell, my household has one fixed line connection and we have 6 mobile devices, of course the ratio of mobile to fix is always greater. I've got two smartphones myself, same with my wife even my TV is net connected. But the majority of my work will be done on the fixed line.

Vasso, your argument is starting to sound like a broken record, repeating the same #%$% over and over again.

Salami ChujilloSalami Chujillo September 30th, 2011
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indeed salami...

these blind extreme right wing nuts always contradict themselves, such is their level of eduction (lack thereof of course).

they say things like, we do not need an nbn because there is no proof that technology will continue to improve. then they will say nbn will be obsolete because of new wireless technologies yet to be introduced...rofl

BetaBeta September 30th, 2011
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vasso, it is common knowledge that you and one other are telstra's top cheerleaders and that everything telstra does is perfection and anything the rest do is simply to telstra's detriment, as far as you are concerned.

so horses for courses. but interestingly in my experience, those who are not attached to comms companies financially, normally do not agree with you, which is rather telling imo.

however, what you describe are the hoops which the government have to jump through to appease all stakeholders and why it is imperative to keep progressing. halt progress now or in 2013 if the opposition win and we are back to square one. more negotiations with telstra re fttn and telstra wanting what's best for their stakeholders. then the other companies in competition wanting likewise. the accc trying to ensure fairness and transparency, new contracts etc.

are we a country moving forward or a bunch of croc dundee's, i'm sure a lot of the world still perceive us as?

of course going back to square one might be good for some, say those who are telstra stakeholders, of course...!

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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Beta, cheerleader of our telecommunications national interest is more to the point.

Governments come and go and, from experience, taxpayers are left with the usual debris. Since privatisation, the Telstra saga has been a very sorry state of affairs by both shades of our governments.

What happens next, is impossible to predict but going back to square one is not feasible. We just have to do the best with a very bad job.

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic September 29th, 2011
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"Beta, cheerleader of our telecommunications national interest is more to the point".

i won't reply in depth, because for those who know of you, there really is no need. for those who don't, after reading your closing paragraph above about big bad optus/singapore and lollypop sweet telstra, it is most obvious which side your bread is buttered... so please!

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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Thanks Phil for the illuminating article which, as it should, shows Mike Quigley to be a balanced and experienced system builder. Indeed, as masterly as is Bob Dylan of other "Unplugged" fame.

Beta you do express some sensibilities and objective expressions in your above writings. I do take exception though to your questioning of Vasso who is merely availing himself of the application of free speech.

Vasso correctly identifies the sufferings of Telstra and the vile blackmail and threat that has been directed at the company, but let us all hope that with the separation of Telstra, full and open competition will occur and the survival of the best be accepted by all.

sydneylasydneyla September 29th, 2011
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sydneyla, the one note of sympathy that I have for Telstra is that the vertical monopoly was not a problem of their own making. It was John Howard who made the final call on that, and so the current mess is his direct legacy.

Having said that, the short and inglorious reign of Sol Trujillo did prove one thing at least: the problem that Telstra (and the government) had inherited could not simply be left to sort itself out. A Government remedy was needed, and that's what has happened.

Telstra's predicament was a bit like the patient seeing a doctor: "either lose weight, or I'll be forced to operate." There was no third choice. Thodey chose to shed the kilos. If no functional separation proposal is accepted by the ACCC and the NBN Co deal falls through, then Parliament will be whipping the scalpel out. That's going to concentrate their minds wonderfully, which is why I'm fairly convinced that the brinkmanship will in the end reach a successful conclusion.

GwyntaglawGwyntaglaw September 29th, 2011
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i did say vasso and one other, are telstra's top cheerleaders and within minutes look what the cat drags in...LOL!

no syd, vasso was telling us all that we are wasting $50B (i won't argue over the figure, rolls eyes) because wireless will make fixed obsolete. and why, because the Australian said, why else.

i was simply trying to explain to him, imo (as someone sans the clouding financial burden to one particular company, as both he and you have) how ridiculous that notion actually is.

on a side note, interesting that it's not ok in your mind for me to take exception to vasso's, imo, uneducated comment, but it's ok for you to take exception to mine...

pretty well sums up the telstra stakeholder mentality.

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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Beta, how touching and surprising that you were referring to me as "the one other" in your reference to Telstra defenders. Beta would you be inclined to have a little wager that the NBN will not be in excess of the $50 billion suggested by Vasso?

Your side note comment could have some logical argument and I will therefore, in future, be sure that I take it into consideration when making such comment. Tell me one thing Beta, if Telstra dominates (and controls) the ISP's and most others are eliminated by fierce competition will you accept this situation?

sydneylasydneyla September 29th, 2011
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Malcolm Turnbull himself was asked about the $50 price tag in a live Friday morning blog on The Australian a week before Christmas 2010. He was at pains to explain to the questioner that in fact the $36 billion was the capital expenditure, and other ongoing costs are operational expenses such as any business has to cover, and should not be consider part of the cost of the infrastructure project itself.

And Sydney, I'm sure your Telstra shares will grow great big biceps once the shareholders approve the NBNCo deal on 18 October, whatever the ACCC eventually says about it. Telstra is positioned to sell an awful lot of Foxtel IPTV and cloud storage capacity to its Bigpond customers on NBN fibre, and is the marketing expert in the sector.

umbriaumbria September 29th, 2011
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"wager that the NBN will not be in excess of the $50 billion suggested by Vasso?"

I'll take that wager. I bet you the government (Assuming the NBN is rolled out as planed) will not contribute more than $50 billion to the NBN project.

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale September 29th, 2011
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a wager, rofl. you won't even agree that other isp's aren't leeches after all these years let alone admit to losing a bet?

as for that one thing, of course, that's business.

but interestingly, although it would never happen, due to the unfair advantage telstra has had with the pstn, it is obvious you would never accept the same occurring to telstra and would want to blame everyone and of course demand full compensation for your 'failed investment'.

BetaBeta September 29th, 2011
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umbria many thanks for your advice concerning Telstra shares. My happiness, if your projections are correct, would not be for myself but for the great numbers of Australian mums and dads who invested their savings in an Australian company that up until now has been treated pretty shabbily by various Australian Governments.

Hubert you're on pal. Lets make it a symbolic wager with the loser making a donation of choice to their favourite charity. Hubert you do understand the financial and logistical humungertude of this NBN project and know the cost over-runs that must happen. Hubert work on past performance of other major projects and reconsider.

Vasso for many years we two have been as A.B. (Banjo) Paterson described Clancy of the Overflow. Banjo said of Clancy, as Clancy crossed the mountains to the western plains "and he saw the vision splendid, of the sunlit plains extended". With humility Vasso many Australians have seen the vision splendid for Telstra and Australia.

sydneylasydneyla September 30th, 2011
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Basically you've already lost sydney. You might as well make that donation now.

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale September 30th, 2011
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Maybe Hubert but think I will wait a while just to be sure. lol.

sydneylasydneyla September 30th, 2011
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You need to wait a while to find out if the government will contribute another $23,000,000,000.01 to the NBN? lol indeed.

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale September 30th, 2011
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in fact syd, in the past you suggested in excess of $100B didn't you?

so maybe that should have been the bet with a double or nothing on $50B... sigh!

BetaBeta September 30th, 2011
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ffs syd.

first you (previously) despicably compared your greed fight in relation to supporting telstra and thus your own shares...to the ANZACS.

then when you and ky (oops vasso) talked typical teltsra idiocy, you were slammed with facts and so you then compared you two to Jesus' persecution.

now banjo patterson/clancy...

omg what greed and desperation will do to some people eh?

BetaBeta September 30th, 2011
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How cruel you are Beta and how unpatriotic.

sydneylasydneyla September 30th, 2011
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Hey Phil - really enjoyed the Mike Quigley interview. He sounds like an impressive guy. The only disappointment was his comment that he didn't see it as his role to promote the NBN to the public. Well somebody's got to do it, and the Government is doing such a lousy job of it. Bearing in mind that the "alternative Government" is so opposed to it, a groundswell of public support may be the only thing to let it survive past a change of Government. That's definitely in NBNCo's interest.
The NBN needs evangelists, and it sounds like Mike Quigley would be a great one.

Oh, and Phil - when the copper network is shut down, surely you'll have to change the name "Twisted Wire". Flying Photons, or Fiber-to-the-Pod, maybe??? Nah..

psmerdonpsmerdon October 1st, 2011
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+1 psmerdon

BetaBeta October 1st, 2011
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Well psmerdon, when there's no copper left, that's the time for my to hang up my headphones I think!

phildobbiephildobbie October 2nd, 2011
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psmerdon without casting any aspersions on the NBNCo but trying to be logical, why would the NBNCo or the Government be responsible for promoting the NBN fibre optic?

Surely it should be up to the service providers to promote a product they wish to sell and this will happen as a natural consequence of competition between service providers.

sydneylasydneyla October 1st, 2011
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Sydney, You are spot on.

Deployment of the NBN is a very intricate operation in that, every move must be calculated with no room for error.

In the current precarious economic climate, $50 billion is clearly a non event and if the NBN is to proceed at, it must be on the basis of the scenario I outlined above, VIZ:

....."The idea was to fund the project using limited borrowings, 'persuade' Telstra to cede its network, replace copper with fiber optics and generate revenue to fund the deployment as they proceed".

The risk, is a Coalition Government in power in the not too distant future.

Events which illustrate the danger of leaping in the dark, are depicted by the following recent errors of judgement.

NBN to strike ACCC deal

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nbn-to-strike-accc-deal/story-fn59niix-1226153866189

NBN Co goes commercial

http://www.zdnet.com.au/nbn-co-goes-commercial-339323418.htm

Uncertainty over NBN terms nobbling internet services sales for telcos

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/uncertainty-over-nbn-terms-nobbling-internet-services-sales-for-telcos/story-e6frgaif-1226154452120

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic October 1st, 2011
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vasso, sad to see the only two, never say die, remaining members of the nwat, we love telstra and our shares more than life itself club, have reincarnated and are again spreading greed driven lies, as well typical nbn lies (which even telstra refute...ROFL)!

so the nbn shouldn't be rolled out because the coalition may win the next election (add obligatory urls's to the australian). seriously did your hero (no not your super hero, sol) john howard stop governing when the polls showed kevin 07 was going to oust him?

and why the insistence on continually quoting $50B, ffs? as one who claims to understand monetary matters (arguable of course, considering those tls shares) surely you understand cap and opex? the fact that the nbn is going commercial and will be soon receiving roi, is of no consequence to you?

and yes you did get tangled in a tirade of offensive exchanges instigated by you, acting like a spoilt silly school boy, when you asked a question and were answered, but didn't like the answer.

BetaBeta October 2nd, 2011
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"so the nbn shouldn't be rolled out because the coalition may win the next election"

Some of them are so confident that the coalition will win you have to wonder why they are so bothered by the NBN rolling out to a few people in the meantime... of course the real reason they are bothered by it is because with the more people connecting to the NBN means more people becoming aware of the glaring differences between it and the coalitions substandard patchwork plan, the sky wont be falling either so the coalition will have to explain why they want to create yet another digital divide by not continuing the NBN project. This of course means less votes for them, they know the future is not set in stone, could be that the NBN will be the cause of their loss at the next election too lol, wouldn’t that be embarrassing, now you know why Abbott and his zoo crew have been clamoring for an early election.

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale October 2nd, 2011
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umm i don't think he meant promote the nbn plans syd, i think he meant promote the nbn 'concept', by highlighting it's advantages to aust and aussies, in the face of an all out negative onslaught from the opposition and their print media mates...!

BetaBeta October 1st, 2011
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Exactly, Beta! Thanks for clarifying my point.
Fast-forward to (say) 3 years time and there's an election brewing, and the Lib/Nats are figuring a policy on the part-built NBN.
That decision will be affected by the level of public support - hence the need for somebody with the competence to mount an effective PR campaign right from the get-go.
That should be the Govt - but they have shown a lack of competence in this matter to date & Mike Quigley and NBNCo seem such good candidates.

psmerdonpsmerdon October 5th, 2011
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What a crock. Thank you Phil for exposing it. So they have 4 FttH experts to deploy the network, (me, myself & I) from Quiglies vast expereices with Verizon and 1 from StK who was the Alcatel vendor representative on the FttH council. This is the same FttH council that put up a re port lambasting NBN Co's designs but was withdrawn after pressure by the vendors. The lack of FttH skills explains a lot of industries concerns.

I see you tried your best to pin him down on the Alatel equipment issues but he went through his usual dog-an-pony routine of distancing himself from the evaluation, despite reading and signing off on the adjudication reports. Given NBN Co's absolute lack of FttH tech experience would have been interesting to see what the criteria were he referred to - maybe market capitalisation in excess of (put the figure here) or a certain badge had to be on the equipment. Once again selective amnesia - he could remember there were IPTV issues - funny other vendors had that fixed and running and were using it already - so maybe the fix for the Alcatel equipment took longer than anticipated which is why they are still not able to deliver.

Interesting he then laid claim to getting Tasmania up and going - it was widely reported that they had used Opticom, one of the existing FttH providers who were trying ot help them but now an industry they are singlemindely trying to wipe out. Can't have all those knowledgeable people running succesful companies and interfering with the gravy train by exposing NBN Co for the fraud it is ....

On boasting about costs for Julia Creek he failed to mention that he was asked to do this by an incredulous senate committee who could not beleive that even though the governments blackspots fiber was going through it, his architecture was too expensive to break out and service Julia Creek.

And as for his aircraft analagy - I am sure he deos know that airlines mix and match their aircraft.

Listening to this bloke ducking and diving was nausiating - but thank you Phil.

RossyduckRossyduck October 3rd, 2011
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morphing from making unsubstantiated, ridiculous comments at itnews to here, rossyduck (perhaps that should now be roastedduck)!

oh the desperation as more conspiracies are invented by the far right as each ensuing nbn box is ticked...ROFL

keep up the great work, most comical...!

BetaBeta October 3rd, 2011
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Some of us have been working long and hard to get Ftth for the country, from convincing the government that FttN was a bad idea to assisting Government with the legislation. To now see these NBN Co clowns messing it up with their out-of-date design and shonky practises is dishertening to say the least. Move on from being to (sycho)phantboi or paid lobbyist to providing fair and equitable criticism. We have already had the organisation (NBN Co) move on some issues, including passive design for the better.

Is there any of the above bleading obvious you need substantiated .... ? Happy to do your thinking for you as well.

RossyduckRossyduck October 4th, 2011
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i can see the libs are happy to do your thinking for you as clearly demonstrated at every forum, speaking of paid lobbyists, but with24/7 criticism.

at least, unlike previously at itnews, you aren't the very first to comment at each and every nbn article here..........yet.

as i said keep up the great work, most comical.

BetaBeta October 4th, 2011
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Beta,

Some people prefer to make constructive comments and point out obvious flaws that get glossed over in thrill of mutual backslapping. Just remember, unless you are one of the vendors or have your snout otherwise in te trough it is your money that is getting wasted too. A stated was happy to provide you with substantiaiton on the real inside track of this con - but am unlikely to come back to this thread now. not to worry - just listen to the interview carefully - Phil substantiates most of what I have said anyway.

RossyduckRossyduck October 10th, 2011
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Beta,

Some people prefer to make constructive comments and point out obvious flaws that get glossed over in thrill of mutual backslapping. Just remember, unless you are one of the vendors or have your snout otherwise in the trough it is your money that is getting wasted too. As stated was happy to provide you with substantiaiton on the real inside track of this con - but am unlikely to come back to this thread now. not to worry - just listen to the interview carefully - Phil substantiates most of what I have said anyway.

RossyduckRossyduck October 10th, 2011
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oh rossy there's a big difference between constructive and destructive...

seriously, I have conceded many times that the nbn isn't perfect BUT... it is heads and shoulders above the rest IMO... funny though, i have never seen you say even one nbn positive or even one negatively 'constructive' comment.

yes, above you mention pushing for ftth, but not via these nbn clowns, sigh. typically your comments are always doom and gloom and clearly sponsored by the libs...

here's what i said at another thread. ... *i give zag full credit for coming here with an 'actual hands-on comment', not a politically motivated speech".... ironically the first i have seen... as most comments which are not pro nbn normally start off with a feasible scenario but end with the words socialist, white elephant or poor taxpayer and the motive is then most apparent*!

please now add your nbn clowns (plus of course you combined twist on white elephant/taxpayers - "waste") to the politically motivated speech roster. oh but your won't return to read my reply, as you like to hit and run with your dooms day, conspiracy theories...rofl.

but in the end , apart from me being pro nbn and you being a nay saying political stooge, where we disagree is, you believe constructing national infrastructure, which will benefit all australians, is waisting money. whereas i believe the copper needs replacing (yes fttn is no good i agree with you) so the nbn is the best way to go and the money certainly isn't being wasted, particularly when the nbn will pay for itself...rolls eyes...!

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