Why women just don't want IT

Technology, as a profession, is nerdy, blokey and boring. This is how it's been perceived for many years by women, with no dramatic change in sight.

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These are seen as the main barriers to increasing the number of female workers in the technology industry but the problem may not lie with the fairer sex per se. The Australian Information Industry Association (AIIA) CEO Sheryle Moon believes parents, career advisers and teachers have an important role to play in marketing the breadth of opportunities that the ICT industry offers.

"There's a general lack of understanding by young people on what the industry is about.

"We need a national approach to attracting young people and particularly young women into the industry," she said in an interview to mark International Women's Day today.

Females in IT

Moon, a 26-year veteran of the information and communications industry, intends to work closely with the private sector, states and territories to "sell" ICT as an exciting career option.

At the moment, only 18 percent of employees in ICT are women. The ideal figure should be 50 percent, she said.

"We've got girls exiting from science degrees in greater proportion, we've got girls achieving higher levels in Maths and Science, we've got women with the right capabilities ... all the attributes that we want in the industry so we would expect the participation rate to match that of young men."

Another area of concern was retaining women in the workforce as flexible working policies in some companies were merely lip service.

"If you look at flexible working policies probably about 60 to 70 percent of organisations in Australia have policies to say they provide flexible working arrangements.

"They call themselves family friendly but the issue is that the choice to allow someone to exercise flexible arrangements often comes back to your immediate manager.

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Sheryle Moon

"The reluctance at that level to allow people to work at home is just nonsense," she said, "because in this day and age, we have technology."

Moon urged companies to follow the lead of the EOWA Employer of Choice for Women winners, which have put in place management practices to allow people to work from home.

Organised by EOWA (Equal Opportunity for Women in the Workplace Agency), Agilent, Motorola, Cisco and IBM made it to the list comprising 131 organisations.

Meanwhile, at a luncheon organised by FITT (Females in Information Technology and Telecommunications) this afternoon, Moon, on behalf of Communications Minister Helen Coonan, announced a AU$70,000 training initiative aimed at encouraging female participation in ICT. The program will be led and partly funded by the AIIA and Australian Computer Society (ACS).

Talkback 34 comments

    50%? Warrick JACKES -- 08/03/07

    I disagree with the 50% suggestion. I want the best people in the job, not a politically correct ratio. Women may be 51% of the Australian population, but I want the best people doing the job -- whether that makes it 5% of 95% of IT being women is irrelevant.

    If we run with the earlier suggestion, then 50% of midwives should be men, and the prison rate has to be increased from 6% to 51% for females incarcerated.

    Jobs by merit/ability, not sexuality, gender, religious or political preference please.

    irrelevant Anonymous -- 08/03/07 (in reply to #320075899)

    You miss the point.

    Far fewer women are drawn to IT, hence the imbalance in male:female ratio. For many people this is a Bad Thing; e.g. a colleague recently started making a special effort to hire women because his team is so male-dominated they're all "starting to go crazy".

    If the industry succeeds in drawing equal numbers of men and women to ICT in the first place, you'll get about 50% women if you DO employ on merit - since the best applicant would be a woman half the time.

    and the chicks in IT,...... Anonymous -- 08/03/07 (in reply to #320075905)

    ......usually look like men anyway.

    Face it dude, the chicks all want to own beauty salons and Marketing companies etc etc...they just don't care about IT, much like we guys do not give a rats &ss about Bridalwear shops or manchester.

    It's just a brain chemistry thing.

    Re-read TFA Anonymous -- 09/03/07 (in reply to #320075939)

    Quote: "We've got girls exiting from science degrees in greater proportion, we've got girls achieving higher levels in Maths and Science, we've got women with the right capabilities ... all the attributes that we want in the industry so we would expect the participation rate to match that of young men."

    No, YOU re-read it the start to use your brain. Anonymous -- 09/03/07 (in reply to #320075962)

    "We've got girls exiting from science degrees in greater proportion, we've got girls achieving higher levels in Maths and Science, we've got women with the right capabilities ... all the attributes that we want in the industry so we would expect the participation rate to match that of young men."

    Soooo.....instead of 4 female Maths graduates they now have 6...whoopdy doo. Or to put it another way..how many of those female Science graduates don't give a toss about routers or cutting code, they all want to swim with dolphins or develop new orthotics for people.

    Women don't get into IT because IT is seen as boring and nerdy and women just don't "get" it. Even the token women in the field (like the author) generally only contribute "fluff" like PR work, "Here's how you type a letter up in Word a bit faster" peices or the Communications (read, big smile, short skirt) type guff before handing over to Mr Bean with the pocket protector and the personal hygeine problem.

    That's life, get used to it.

    *Sigh* James Purser -- 10/03/07 (in reply to #320076030)

    You obviously have no idea about what women in the IT industry are doing right now.

    Believe it or not, they're there cutting code, maintaining your servers and making sure that male users don't click on that really exciting virus opportunity.

    I would love to see more women in the industry, both as a father of two daughters who are already showing an interest in geekness and as an industry participant.

    Yes there is a problem in the industry. There is a small percentage of men who feel threatened and view IT as one of those "last bastions of male ascendancy" things. Trust me I've worked with them. They go out of their way to make things uncomfortable for women who are just as skilled as they are.

    i've seen it.... Anonymous -- 20/03/07 (in reply to #320076060)

    I'm in the artsy side (graphic design) now having decided i was too scatterbrained to be as good as my former colleagues (all field technicians) one in particular- a middle aged woman who took on hardware- programming and management.... and i also remember our former managers treating us like the token office chicks.... it was frustrating but worth every minute when she had managed to fix one of those on-going problems that the afore mentioned managers had put in the too hard basket.

    basically- you are either born with the aptitude for trouble shooting computers or you will end up like me - a wanna-be nerd reading articles instead of engineering real solutions.

    there is an element of brain chemistry involved- in being narrow-minded and judgmental just as much as there in in analytical process and troubleshooting.

    peace out y'all.

    Red Necked bigots in the ICT industry. Anonymous -- 17/11/07 (in reply to #320076060)

    They don't like contractors or women or older workers and flagrantly ignore EEO legislation

    What happens when the talent pool runs dry? Anonymous -- 13/03/07 (in reply to #320075899)

    It is easy to say that you want the best person for the job regardless of sex, race, religion etc. but what happens when that talent pool runs dry.

    Over the last twelve months I have read numerous articles (national and international) and responses to those articles attended the National ICT Skills Summit and watched as the industry and governments respond. With expenditure on IT projects by governments and large industry increasing I am starting to hear words like skills droughts, poaching and can’t find the right person.

    The Queensland Government Focus Group report for the National ICT Skills Summit raised some very serious concerns about the image of the ICT industry, the lack of understanding of career options and the still perceived stereotypical IT worker by high school students.

    I will also be interested to see the results of the new Victorian Governments IT attitudinal study of 17-19 year olds.

    The IT industry is now competing against much more stable industries and professions (also suffering shortages) for the hearts and minds of this next generation of workers and from what I can tell IT as a career doesn't even appear on their radar.

    So instead of condemning or heckling projects that may increase that talent pool, your energy could be better put into supporting, educating and marketing this vital industry.

    IT skills shortages Anonymous -- 17/11/07 (in reply to #320076216)

    The Queensland Government is overstocked on HR fanatics working in a shared services environment and actively supporting discrimination against older workers with significant ICT skill sets. As a victim, I suggest that this is an area that ought to be investigated. There is no shortage of skills, but aa surplus of bigoted HR employees.

    who cares?!? Anonymous -- 09/03/07

    Who cares? Guys like some jobs, women like other types of jobs. Why do we need 50/50?

    Do we care of 50% of all mechanics are women? Do we care of 50% of all fashion designers/stylists are straight men?

    We should care that women are not participating in the ICT industry! Anonymous -- 09/03/07 (in reply to #320075958)

    There are a number of reasons why we should care that sufficient numbers of women are not participating in the ICT industry.

    Technology is pervasive and is enabling productivity growth in nearly every other sector of the Australian economy. In the future, we are going to need more, not less people in the ICT industry to ensure our country continues to enjoy the massive improvements to everyday life.

    Engaging women maximises women’s contribution to the labour force and ensures they have access to highly challenging, intellectually stimulating and well paid jobs. With the gap between men's and women's wages on the rise, the ICT industry can help to level the playing field.

    And being a part of the ICT industry enables women to influence technological innovation – and ensures that Australian society has access to the intellects and talents of all its citizens, not just the male ones.

    Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    no-brainer Anonymous -- 09/03/07 (in reply to #320075983)

    An ICT skill shortage in Australia and up to half the population not interested in ICT. Yes its a no-brainer - only somebody with no brain couldn't realise why getting more women interested is a good idea!

    Ane we also have a plumber shortage.... Anonymous -- 09/03/07 (in reply to #320075989)

    But good luck trying to get 50% of plumbers female in the future.

    They wouldn't want to break a nail or get all "yukky".

    Geeez, c'mon people, this is hardly brain surgery, think about it.
    Chicks don't want to be IT geeks, they don't want to be mechanics, they don't want to work in a wrecking yard ripping old tractors to pieces....starting to get the picture yet???

    How many men are working towards their very own bridal-shop ?...huh???..huh???...wake up.

    Male / Female Workforce Anonymous -- 13/03/07 (in reply to #320075958)

    If women dont want to work in the IT industry stop harping about it.
    Too much time is wasted in many industries with political correctness; if the applicant for the job is female or male it doesnt matter; as an employer you want the right people for the job not some govt imposed sex ratio quota.

    Spend more time on attracting people to the industry who want the job for the jobs interest.

    Hey I would be happy to see more women mechanics Anonymous -- 03/04/07 (in reply to #320075958)

    They are more down to earth. The same as I find with the women I work with in IT, they are generally more relaxed, more comfortable and more down to earth with us guys than the women from other departments.
    I think though that you can't push women to take the jobs, it requires a particular type of person to do it... :)

    yes its nerdy and boring Anonymous -- 09/03/07

    many late hours

    constant study to keep up with changes

    weekends spent doing upgrades that cant be done during week

    women who regard you as a nerd

    taking orders from sales people/managers/bosses with hairdressing qualifications, etc, etc

    just watch office space or the ofice to get an idea

    On the other hand... James Purser -- 10/03/07 (in reply to #320075960)

    Yup crap exists in the industry as it exists in all others.

    ICT is one of those industries that you've got to have a passion for to really enjoy. If you like finding that code bug and fixing it, or putting together a kick-buttock network design with double redundant failsafes, then the fact that your manager is often the CIO's nephew can be forgiven.

    It should not come down to gender Anonymous -- 20/05/07 (in reply to #320075960)

    As a woman in the IT industry, it is tough. Your job requires long hours, tight deadlines, and working weekends all with no overtime or benefits which is all just part of the job. You have to be extremely passionate and motivated at your job to keep it and you also need to be equal or better than your male colleagues to gain their respect. Now I ask you, how many women would be willing to go through that? Not to mention the extra time they need to spend to keep up to date with the technology which would take up the few hours they have left in the week after those 10-12 hour days. Women don't want to put themselves through all that stress, they want a simple, low stress, finish on time kind of job.

    IT is still a relatively small industry. Unlike other industries, employers have to make wise choices in their recruitment because they need to use their resources to the max. This means they will select the best person for the job regardless of gender. I think it should stay that way. I don't want to work with women that care more about their hair and make-up than whether their work is bug free.

    It's about a whole lot more than discrimination against women, aged people and C Anonymous -- 17/11/07 (in reply to #320079655)

    Most of this hullaballoo is about expremely bad management which is rife in ICT - in particular in Queensland. I come from the school where you don't dare to attempt to manage something uinless you know something about it. There are levels of knowledge but there are no limits to stupidity.

    Work Choices Anonymous -- 12/03/07

    If Moon and Coonan are genuine about this, and about tackling work barriers that preclude women, they should start with the Liberal government's Work Choices legislation.

    For some reason I don't see Coonan or Moon doing this.

    No Work Choices more like it Anonymous -- 15/03/07 (in reply to #320076114)

    Its not just Work Choices, the IT industry doesn't even have an award.

    Dump the 9+ hour days, the live in the office, the shabby dress sense and general slob behaviour. Dressing like a slob and acting like one isn't going to earn anyone's respect. An extra hour at the office usually means an extra 10 minutes of actual work, or lots more mistakes which need to be fixed later.

    Programmers aren't interchangable clogs, they are the most valuable part of any piece of software.

    This industry needs to grow up, IT gets a lot more respect in USA than it does here.

    IT gets more respect Where? Anonymous -- 24/03/07 (in reply to #320076289)

    As a US IT worker for nearly 25 years, I can tell you that the job is just as under appreciated and disrespected here as it is anywhere. Companies think that just anyone can do the job, so they outsource, and then when everything goes to heck, they start hiring in the U.S. again.

    I've watched this trend to know what is going on. Women don't want into the IT industry because they are much wiser than men are. Pure and simple. What woman would want a job that has more stress, longer hours and frequent layoffs?

    There will never be more women in IT for the simple reason that they have alternatives. Men do too, but men seem to be more motivated by cash for some reason.

    Good reasons for this Sean McTrollus -- 12/03/07

    IT work requires the ability to think logically.

    'nuff said

    IT isn't family-friendly Steve Roper -- 21/03/07

    I can understand why many women don't want to do IT, and it isn't just because of the nerdy image. I've been working in this industry 20 years and it's mostly jobs that include high stress, long hours, and unpredictable callouts, whether you're at the programming end or the sysadmin end. Now there's no reason why women can't handle this, but the moment they start wanting perks like being able to take off and see to their families any time they want, that's not going to cut the mustard.

    When that website's gone down, irate customers are flooding the company inbox with hate mail, and managers are breathing down your neck to fix that damn problem yesterday if not right now, that is NOT the time to be excusing yourself to go fetch the kids from school. IT demands a level of commitment beyond that of the normal workaday job; you need to be able to put in that 80-hour week when it's needed, you need to have a clear head free of personal concerns so you can focus on solving the problem. Whether its fixing a hung network or getting that project out on deadline, when a company's lifeline is YOUR JOB, that comes before all other considerations, including family. Because hundreds of other people's jobs, and in some cases even lives, may well hang on YOUR expertise and availability.

    Don't get me wrong here - I know men often have family commitments as much as women. But most of the IT "geeks" I've known don't have kids - they don't have the time, or in many cases, the inclination. Some do, and every such one I've known has either ended up divorced because they put their jobs first - or they lost their jobs because they put their families first.

    IT isn't about being family-friendly. It's about serious responsibility. It's about looking after every other John and Jane's job in the place. It's about being there to keep everything running when you're needed. If you want family friendliness, become a receptionist or a sales rep.

    Because as long as computer systems fail, as long as projects take longer than expected, IT personnel are going to be pulling all-nighters and 80-hour weeks until the job gets done.

    Bunch of girls Anonymous -- 27/03/07

    Most IT blokes are girly sorts anyway, and the rest prefer that company to real girls because they niavely believe that "real" girls come with sexy bodies and sultry attitudes.

    I was even told to get lost by a 40 y/o virgin at an Ericsson Australia after work get together because he wanted to corner a "nice looking sort" for himself. The point that she was married, doing it tough to pay off a morgage, and earning a third of what this creep makes just didn't factor into the equation.

    Denial plays a big part in their personality make-over. I've always beleived that society makes it harder for women than for blokes, and these girly blokes don't make the situation better for anyone.

    Show us your strawman, mate! Steve Roper -- 03/04/07 (in reply to #320076923)

    It's patently obvious you don't work in IT, Anonymous. The stereotype you are portraying, aside from being a major reason why more people don't want to work in IT, is certainly nothing like the reality. You encountered one sex-starved creep and immediately used him as a strawman to tar the whole industry with the same brush.

    FYI, I also am a male 40 year old virgin. But unlike your acquaintance, I've made no sexual advances to anyone since I was in high school, and since then I've turned down a number of offers, some from very nice women.
    Why? Well, notwithstanding the heartbreak and loss I've seen so many others encounter in their relationships, there is the simple fact that my work occupies most of my life, by my own will to do so, because I enjoy doing what I do.

    Not for the thanks or the gratitude, when it is given, not for the prestige, not because I have anything to prove to anyone about my intelligence. I do it because it's a challenge, because I'm the kind of person who enjoys solving problems and devising solutions, and that's what I want out of life.

    Jeer at me if you will, but life is about choice, and this is the choice I made when I became a software engineer. I chose to live for my job and the many people who depend on me to do it. I know a number of other IT professionals in a similar position, who have made similar choices. They, like myself, don't care about gender as long as a person has the ability and the commitment to do the job people depend on them to do. But that doesn't mean people like myself are commonplace either, nor do I claim to be a paragon of the IT industry.

    What it does mean is that IT people come in all shapes and sizes, and to label them as "girly blokes" not only reveals your disdain for women, but also your ignorance of the IT industry in general.

    same politics ... -- 30/03/07

    whatever job anyone does, they should be skilled enough to do it; not based on political agendas (gender, age, race, etc.).
    I don't care so long as the job gets done, and it is done safely.

    What a great post !!! Anonymous -- 02/04/07

    "But good luck trying to get 50% of plumbers female in the future.

    They wouldn't want to break a nail or get all "yukky".

    Geeez, c'mon people, this is hardly brain surgery, think about it.
    Chicks don't want to be IT geeks, they don't want to be mechanics, they don't want to work in a wrecking yard ripping old tractors to pieces....starting to get the picture yet???

    How many men are working towards their very own bridal-shop ?...huh???..huh???...wake up."

    That says it all.

    The chix can't handle the smoke paperboy -- 03/04/07

    Thats whats up wit the reel wurld of IT. Too much heat on the mayo with those fans burning up the night. Lipstick won't melt on sight or on site. Windows, Linux, it don't make on difference. Tcpdumin like a southern fried mo-fo for the party plan. It's like that, don't fight the truth and don't fight with Ruth. Buzzi that is.

    A reason Anonymous -- 06/04/07

    Looking at the comments here I can tell that my first hand experience is confirmed again and probably will be for a few years now. Women who go into the profession because it's fun get out because the professionals ARE NOT.

    A reason Anonymous -- 06/04/07

    Looking at the comments here I can tell that my first hand experience is confirmed again and probably will be for a few years now. Women who go into the profession because it's fun get out because the professionals ARE NOT.

    Women in IT Tracy -- 02/06/07

    Most of IT tech is basically "brand-new" when compared to other skills. Give it time- women will most likely increase in numbers as IT workers.

    I am a woman & self-taught tech- and, along w/my female partner, run an at-home biz of PC repairs, upgrades, system builds, on-site networking. I took this role to both satisfy my techie inclination as well as to remain home to care for my 2 young children. My choice entirely- and I may yet branch out into the workforce when I feel it's appropo for our personal situation.

    Men, in my opinion, are not any more or less designed to do IT than women- women are quite good at multitasking & show a high level of attention to details.

    From what I've read here, it's more a matter of attitude coming from the others already in the field: if this is the attitude in a small, online "poll"- that is, "women don't like it, aren't serious, would rather do their hair & make-up"- well, you must be able to imagine the feel, body language, condesending approach shown to them when they do attempt to enter this "men's realm"?

    Courtesy & respect are very basic concepts...Assuming that someone cannot do something based on any sort of bias is reprehensible, IMHO...and can only point to the person holding such a bias as being unsure of themselves and having their own self-worth issues coloring their opinions.

    Give a fair shot to everyone & the best will rise to the situation as required.

    Been there, done that and left for a real profession Anonymous -- 15/06/07

    I was one of the rare gals in IT, enjoyed it a lot as a web developer, database developer and server admin. I would still be in it if my job hadn't been outsourced to India in 2003.

    With two degrees under my belt, I still had difficulties finding a replacement job. The main reason being: why pay somebody a huge wage when they can get a new grad at half price? A new grad can pick up the constantly changing technology as fast as somebody with 8 years of experience. It's a no brainer: take the cheaper graduate.

    I've decided that I'll take my engineering degree and get myself a job where experience counts and will increase in value as I continue to work as a civil engineer. I just wish I hadn't wasted 8 years of my life in IT. I don't recommend IT to anybody now.

    By the way, my IT colleagues (yes, all of them male) were fantastic and I never experienced any kind of bullying or harassment from them. I loved their company and the kind of humour that many women lack. Fortunately, I can find all the great fun blokes in engineering too :)

    Smart females go for engineering :) (other than software!).

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