JBoss to Red Hat: Grow up

By Staff, Special to ZDNet
05 October 2004 03:26 PM
Tags: linux, redhat, jboss, open source, red hat, grow
audio On the heels of Red Hat's inclusion of ObjectWeb's open-source application server, Marc Fleury, founder of JBoss, has a message for the North Carolina-based Linux distributer: Grow up.

According to Fleury, for open source to survive, its ecosysem must graduate to a food chain in which revenues from companies like Red Hat trickle down to the developers that feed the beast.

Right now, Fleury says, Red Hat selfishly looks for a free ride wherever it can get one. Meanwhile, he says, because JBoss understands the principles of paying its own way, it represents the second generation of open-source companies -- what he calls "professional open source."

Fleury wants to see Red Hat step up to the plate and refocus its priorities; if it doesn't, he believes that Novell will happily eat Red Hat's lunch. In this audiocast with ZDNet's David Berlind, Fleury takes no prisoners and holds no punches, as he lays out his vision for the open-source movement.

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Talkback 2 comments

    What is this piece of drivel d ...Anonymous -- 06/10/04

    What is this piece of drivel doing here? Red Hat has done more than anyone to pay F/OSS developers. Like Alan Cox, to name the most famous example. When Red Hat did their IPO, they gave shares to all the F/OSS developers they could find. No one made them do it, they just did it.

    Mark Fleury is a well-known astro-turfer. If he had any sense he wouldn't still be shooting his mouth off, especially when he's wrong.

    Suddenly Red Hat is the target du jour. Thank you ZDNet for mindlessly following the trend.

    I am personnaly involved in th ...Anonymous -- 13/10/04

    I am personnaly involved in the ObjectWeb consortium operations (as an elected member of OW's board of directors, and as a contributor on several projects), and have a few remarks concerning Mark's point of view:

    - First of all, ObjectWeb is not the JBoss group. We are a consortium of professionals with mutual interests in infrastructure middleware, and we don't need to get paid through ObjectWeb. Our business models and our customers pay us, not ObjectWeb.

    - Second, ObjectWeb is a non-profit organization. We obtained a free J2EE License across Sun's scholarship (like Apache Geronimo did, too), although JBoss purchased a commercial J2EE license from Sun (because the JBoss group is a commercial company).

    - And last, RedHat got deeply involved in our operations. Try a google search on "Jonas Red Hat", and you will find thousands of press releases and articles, most of us coming from RedHat. We also have a RedHat officer in the ObjectWeb board (Paul Cormier, RH's VP of Engineering), and I can tell you we often see him physically fly to Europe to meet us.

    So, there's one point I agree on with Mark: We'll grow up, thanks. That's a helpful recommendation.

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