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Q&A: Adobe on taking on services and Microsoft By Martin LaMonica, CNET News.com May 02, 2008 URL: http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Q-A-Adobe-on-taking-on-services-and-Microsoft/0,139023769,339288629,00.htm
Much of the future success of Adobe hinges on the work done by its Platform Business Unit, which is headed by Kevin Lynch, the company's chief software architect. But, if the pressure's getting to him, it's not showing. Plus, he believes, Adobe's got the Web at large working for him. Adobe makes the bulk of its money from packaged software in its Creative Suite, which includes Photoshop, Illustrator and other creative design tools. As it looks ahead, Adobe is trying to diversify into online services for consumers and businesses, and it would like to keep its audience of Web developers and designers loyal and not lose them to Microsoft, which is increasingly competing with Adobe. That's where Adobe's platform group comes in. It designs the plumbing that will allow Adobe product groups to offer online services and other companies to write cutting-edge applications. For Web developers, it has made more sophisticated tooling with Flex. More significant is the Adobe Integrated Runtime (AIR), cross-platform software that enables Web applications to run on a desktop. During the company's MAX 2007 conference, Lynch, who came to Adobe through its acquisition of Macromedia in 2005, spoke about Adobe's strategy and its big bet on the Web. Q: The big announcement from the first day was that you bought the company that made Buzzword, a Web word processor. Why are you getting into that business that Microsoft Office is in? But Buzzword is also part of your whole services push. Give us an idea of where you're going with services and how you intend to make money on them. And the second one is one to enable rich collaborations. So screen sharing, whiteboarding, seeing someone else's video inside your application... The last one is in many ways the first one, which is Scene7, the dynamic imaging service. So these are all base-level services â€" imaging, voice, collaboration, documents â€" and that's because we are just getting started in this space. But it has a lot of potential for other services as well. The other piece of news is the number of applications that are coming out on AIR, the Adobe Integrated Runtime. These are Web applications that run on the desktop. Does AIR make the operating system less important? What we're now seeing is the desire for those applications to become more sophisticated, richer applications that do take advantage of local processing power, make use of local resources like your files, being able to notify you. These are the things we used to be able to do with desktop applications that you can't do right now with most applications on the Web. But we think that you should be able to make applications that have those capabilities and build them with Web technologies. There are hundreds of applications running on AIR [which is still in beta]. Will you use AIR in all your product lines? So for example with Premiere â€" it's a great video-editing tool built on the classic way of a software package that you get in a box. We are now hosting Premiere on the Web so you can go to YouTube and Photobucket... That's branded Premiere Express. The Premiere team is building it, they're using web technologies [like scripting languages] to build it. Same with Photoshop. Our chief executive Bruce Chizen mentioned that we're working on Photoshop Express, [which is] very similar to Premiere. So you'll see a lot of that happening from us. You'll see AIR, for example, start to be used in some of our software in different aspects. Maybe you like using Premiere Express â€" you don't need all of Premiere, yet you want to put it on your desktop. That could be a bridge... That's not something we're currently doing, but you can imagine us doing it. There will be a spectrum. What's the business model behind these hosted applications? How do developers make use of these web services? On the business side of that, there is an amount of free storage and, beyond that, we will provide premium services that could have revenue associated with them either through ads or subscriptions and models like that. You are doing a lot more in tools and, of course, Microsoft is very strong in tools and they're doing more with web development as well. How do you compete with that big machine over at Redmond? The areas that we do compete, in web tooling for example, we've been competing for a long time. In the early days of web authoring, I worked on the Dreamweaver project at the time and we were basically last to market. FrontPage was already out; there were already a dozen tools already out there. None of them had really had gotten predominance or really popular with pro web developers and there was an opening for us to do that. We got in and designed a tool that really resonated with a community. We listened well and fed that feedback in. That managed to get an incredible level of popularity really fast. What we saw there was great success with Dreamweaver with pro web developers that beat FrontPage and other tools. So even though Microsoft works on software, they don't always win in these markets. From what I've seen in these situations, you just have to be close to the customer, not be distracted by what the competition is doing in terms of trying to catch up with you or whatever, and stay on the leading edge and think about the next thing that is happening. And let the competition chase where you've been. For us in the rich-internet-application space, that's brought us more into developer tools. Things like Flex Builder â€" that's a new tool for us and it's doing very well. We've made the Flex Framework open-source and free. A lot of the frameworks for the web now, of course, are free and open-source. So to play, that's kind of the table stakes. So we've anted up. Thermo [a planned tool to let designers write their own web applications] got a lot "oohs" and "aahs" from attendees. But people have been trying to make development tools for people who aren't programmers for a long time, probably as long as code has been around. What are the limitations there? So it's just for designers? But what Thermo does is, it makes it so the designer can not only draw what the application looks like, but they can also add the interactivity for how it works. The magic of what we're showing with Thermo right now is that you can select elements that are just pictures on the drawing and you can say this actually represents a list box, or this represents a text edit field and we put the logic to convert the picture into a work component. To fully complete an application you need to connect data â€" connecting back into web services, loading XML. Thermo doesn't go that far. When you talk to people at Google, which is very influential in web development, they say they avoid Flash whenever they can and prefer using lowest common denominator technologies â€" JavaScript, Ajax. Is that a concern that developers are pushing the envelope in Ajax and staying away from Flash and maybe AIR? From the development point of view, using JavaScript in the browser is not that simple. You really need to be a sophisticated developer to do that. Do you see more potential in the enterprise for these kind of applications? Flash is the dominant video format on the web. Now Microsoft has Silverlight and they are signing on partners. How do you want to stay ahead? Now we're in a situation where we can add more functionality into Flash and, in a year, we get 90 percent of the world to update. No other client technology is in that situation right now, not Windows or Internet Explorer or any other technology. So it's going to be tough. But we're not resting on our laurels at all. The Flash team is moving very fast. Where do you expect AIR to go? In a couple of years, will most applications be written with AIR?
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