Does Australia need a new IT society?

By Fran Foo
05 August 2003 12:40 PM
Tags: it manager, acs, australian computer society, fran foo
Late last month, IT Manager Australia questioned the relevancy of the Australian Computer Society (ACS) as a champion of the computing industry.

In a survey, 80 percent of respondents said the ACS was irrelevant. Their main gripe: present demands from IT professionals are a far cry from their counterparts 37 years ago but the organisation just didn't get it.

The ACS was swift to respond and in a letter to IT Manager Australia, it said: "As a professional body in which the strategic decisions are made by volunteers, our priorities and areas of focus are set by our members."

Richard Hogg, the society's national president, encouraged IT professionals to get involved if they felt change would make a difference. "I would remind people that we are not a union, but we are greatly concerned about the welfare of our members and have initiated a number of programs to provide short and longer term assistance to them," Hogg said.

IT professionals shouldn't forget that the ACS is run by people who are prepared to give up their own time to raise the profile of the IT industry, tech professional Bob Watson said in an e-mail interview.

"Often it is a few who will guide the many....A great example is that we are all prepared to vote, but how many of us would want to be a politician?" Watson said, adding that as a charity driven organisation, the ACS also provided hardware to the disabled.

If the ACS was so ineffective, would a rival IT society fare better--IT Manager Australia asked in a follow-up survey.

"No!" said IT consultant Kris Grigg. "As the IT industry's only professional body in Australia, the ACS should be a pre-requisite for technology-related employment."

Grigg was among the 40 percent of respondents who said Australia doesn't need another computing body.

Grigg said employers should believe that ACS members have a certain (recognised) level of competency, just as "the standing accountants who achieve CPA (certified public accountants) membership have in the financial sector."

He believes external parties also have role to play in generating interest in the society. "Universities and other institues of higher education should also promote the benefits of the organisation."

However, in reality, what matters are skills and knowledge, and not one's affiliation with computing groups. As Jill Shapiro, human resource manager at technology services company Dimension Data, said: "Being a member of the ACS is not important when determining the 'right fit' for a position at our company."

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Talkback 9 comments

    Stats stats and more stats. Th ...Anonymous -- 05/08/03

    Stats stats and more stats.

    The correct questions are not being asked:
    What percentage of people who said it was irrelevant were eligable for membership?
    What percentage of people who said there should be another body were not eligable for membership?

    The correct qustions are:
    What proportion of SUCESSFUL IT sections/departments/companies employ ONLY ACS members?
    Or better still - have some type of test to actually show the quality of ACS and non ACS members.

    There are so many people who think they are capable of working in IT - who aren't - which is why the ACS will not let them in. According to the ATO a profession requires that to be employed you need to be a member of a Professional organisation to be employed. Therefore we need the ACS!!!

    I must admit I find it funny t ...Anonymous -- 05/08/03

    I must admit I find it funny that the Australian Government believes that ACS are the best people to assess the skills of migrates looking for working visa in the IT industry and for determining award classifications as per the Information Technology Industry (Professional Engineers) Award 1999, but Australian (recruiting) companies don't recognise the membership or it's membership criteria as a base line for IT employment.

    How many ACS members do you kn ...Anonymous -- 06/08/03

    How many ACS members do you know?

    98% of the people I deal with in IT are NOT ACS members or will have any intention of joining over the next few years.

    The ACS is not known for its vibrance, innovation or energy. This is perhaps a reflection of the fact tthat it is staffed by volunteers and its members appear to be older males with many commitments.

    As shown by the IT Manager survey, the ACS is irrelevant and thus has no appeal to myself or people I deal with. $300 for a membership?? Where is the $300 worth of value that I will get from membership? I've been amember, I've made the judgement.

    The ACS is right to speak out on issues such as ICT unemployment, reduced demand for ICT education, offshore outsourcing and incentives for growth. We NEED a society which does this. Our industry NEEDS a voice.

    We don't need a new society. We need a more relevant one; a society which people actively want to be a part of and want to contribute. I hope that members of our industry heed Richard Hoggs' call for people to join and make a difference from the inside.

    Thanks to ZDNet for asking whether the society was relevant.

    If the ACS is to be taken seri ...Anthony Webster -- 07/08/03

    If the ACS is to be taken seriously, then they need to make their selves more relevant. As a student, I was once a member but soon realised that The IEEE was more highly regarded by companies as a proffessional organisation than the ACS. May be the ACS should put out for opinion on what the industry qualified people would like to see them offer in order to get new IT recruits interested.

    I would love to be able to rea ...Anonymous -- 07/08/03

    I would love to be able to read this and other stuff in the same window - but it is a window within a window with no way of expanding it to full size so that the material can be accessed!

    I have always said that the AC ...Azizi Khan -- 11/08/03

    I have always said that the ACS is a brooding omnipresence in the sky ever watching but not really doing anything.

    IT profession everywhere has become so diverse that a person with a B. Chem 10 years ago can be a succesful IT practitioner. The internet and abundance of books have made it ever easier to gain knowledge.

    I dont have a degree. But I have more than 10 years of IT experience and one of a small group of people who have more than 15 months commercial experience in .Net technology.

    As a senior IT practitioner in the industry I have worked with many top companies in Australia. But as far as ACS is concerned, I am NOT an IT professional.

    ACS's definition of IT professional ( even for most migration purposes ) is a degree qualified person. What about TAFE ? What about Diploma holders ?

    ACS does have something which is amusingly called ROPL ( Recognition of Prior Learning ), believe me its easier to prove that you can perform brain surgery blind folded.

    We dont need another IT body, we need ACS to realise that, IT industry is diverse and mobile. It needs an organisation to do exactly that. All I see at the moment is lack of vision.

    I think the ACS should be rest ...Anonymous -- 13/08/03

    I think the ACS should be restructed to something that have similar form to the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Australia(ICAA) or CPA. As a volunteer society it has little resources to response to the demand of its members. This way it can actually drives IT forward and makes it more relevant than it is currently does. I am more than willing to pay for my membership if it actually does something more than recieving a monthly subscription to Information Monthly magazine and those Academic IT Journal.

    All these people who are again ...Anonymous -- 19/08/03

    All these people who are against the ACS are just looking at the organisation in terms of "what's in it for them (directly)" not the broader picture. A sample of what the ACS is currently does:

    # Certify coarse and credentials; this is especially imported as the ACS is the body the reviews immigrants applying for work visas in the IT industry.
    # Our voice in steering government policy in the IT industry.
    # And as per their mission statement – “advance professional excellence in information technology”. This is achieved in part by their journals and the society’s emphasis on professional growth through constant training.

    Also as most of you don’t know this, the ACS is a member of Australian Council of Professions; just like CPA Australia, The Institution of Engineers, Australia, The Royal Australian Institute of Architects, etc.

    Now I will admit that the society isn't perfect, however they are currently going through a state of change (OneACS) which is aimed at improving services for it's members.

    Finally, don't complain about it, join and help us change it...

    As a member of the ACS, I have ...Anonymous -- 04/12/03

    As a member of the ACS, I have seen many good and bad things that the organisation does.
    Unfortunately, one of the bad (and annoying!) things is that not enough is being done to encourage "new blood". Every article that is written inside "Information Age" magazine is from someone who has been in the industry for decades, who writes about issues that don't interest or relate to the issues faced by younger members. Also, you hardly see any articles written by young IT people.
    If the ACS isn't careful, it will become as popular as the local Bowling Club - full of oldies and no real future.

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