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commentary It may surprise some, given Telstra's acrimonious relationship with the Federal Government, that Messrs Rudd and Conroy have picked two executives each with a long-time association with the telco to lead the National Broadband Network implementation.

It shouldn't.

The reality in Australia's telecommunications industry is that virtually every executive with any real experience has spent some time either within Telstra's ranks or working directly with the company in an external role.

This simple fact is driven by the industry's history; the doors were only opened up to early forms of competition back in 1981, with much wider deregulation ushering in a string of new telcos and real competition as recently as 1997. Most of the upper-level executives (and many of the founders) of Australian telcos operating today stepped directly out of Telstra into competing roles.

And yet, the appointment of Alcatel-Lucent veteran Mike Quigley and revered former long-time Telstra Country Wide chief Doug Campbell to lead the NBN Company nationwide and in Tasmania respectively will still ruffle some feathers amongst those who do not work today for Australia's former monopolist.

On paper, the pair are perfectly qualified (even over-qualified) to lead the implementation and operation of the National Broadband Network. And, given the antagonism created by American executive Sol Trujillo during his time at Telstra, it's nice to see the government tick the "made in Australia" box for its own company, despite the fact that both were actually born overseas.

But it's important to realise that in practice, they have little experience in dealing with the non-Telstra aspects of Australia's telecommunications industry.

Campbell has long been revered by the rural segments of Australia's population as somewhat of a champion and saviour of the bush. As the founder and long-time group managing director of Telstra Country Wide, he has spent much of his career focused on trying to extend telecommunications services outside the metropolitan footprint.

In practice, they have little experience in dealing with the non-Telstra aspects of Australia's telecoms industry

As many will note, this has been a laudable push that has earned Campbell the Order of Australia plaudit.

However, it can be argued that such a career has not positioned Campbell well to negotiate the treacherous and competitive environment that is Australia's modern telecommunications landscape: a landscape primarily focused, as much as everyone hates to admit it, on metropolitan areas.

There just isn't much real competition for Telstra in the bush, even in larger cities like Broken Hill (your writer's former home town).

Tasmania is especially seen as one of the last large areas of Australia in which Telstra remains extremely dominant. It was only this month that the state received competitive backhaul services across Bass Strait, and residents of the Apple Isle are only now starting to see the investments in ADSL infrastructure from rival ISPs like Internode and Netspace that mainland metropolitan Australia has enjoyed for many years.

In Tasmania, telecommunications still means Telstra.

For Quigley's part, his former company, Alcatel-Lucent, has virtually tied itself in Australia to the fortunes of Telstra for many years. Some would argue that the French company is the most important to Telstra of any of its suppliers ... and this is saying a lot when you consider the billion-dollar contracts Telstra has inked over the past few years with the likes of Ericsson, Cisco, IBM and others.

In January, Alcatel-Lucent admitted it wasn't looking for work with other bidders for the government's initial $4.7 billion NBN tender, despite its partner Telstra being thrown out of the process several months before.

No doubt Alcatel-Lucent's rivals saw that as a staggering admission ... can anyone imagine Cisco, for example, refusing to bid for work with Optus, despite its own Telstra connections?

Back in May 2006, Quigley himself came out as a strong backer of Telstra's then-fibre-to-the-node NBN plans, panning a rival proposal from Optus, Macquarie Telecom, PowerTel, Primus, Internode, Soul and TransACT that would see an NBN cooperatively built, and even going so far as to echo then-Telstra CEO Sol Trujillo's aggressive stance towards the industry regulatory regime.

Quigley's Telstra relationship goes back far enough that he even acknowledged it in an Australian Financial Review article published this morning.

For Quigley's part, his former company, Alcatel-Lucent, has virtually tied itself in Australia to the fortunes of Telstra for many years.

"I've stood in their [Telstra's] exchanges many, many times in the middle of the night doing upgrades for every kind of switch known to man," he said.

Despite its apparent lack of interest in working with Telstra's rivals, Alcatel-Lucent's Telstra ties still appear to be paying off — in calendar year 2008, the company's local revenues grew by $43 million to reach a total of $861 million. Admittedly, a contract with dominant NZ player Telecom NZ played its part.

All of this will lead the telecommunications industry to question privately whether Telstra, courtesy of its extremely long-standing relationship with both Quigley and Campbell, will receive a phenomenal level of access to the decision-making process around the NBN.

It's unlikely that Telstra's rivals will publicly point out the uncertainty that will run through their ranks at the prospect of having to deal on a daily basis with NBN executives who have such strong relationships with their arch-nemesis Telstra.

The traditionally strong debate in Australia's telecommunications industry about the way forward is currently suffering from a "chilling effect" due to the uncertainty around the NBN implementation and the regulatory regime.

Many telcos and ISPs are currently afraid to publicly speak out about their real concerns and desires, due to the potential to create the sort of acrimonious relationship with the Federal Government that Telstra has been famous for, and thus alienate themselves from any influence in the NBN process.

But there is no doubt that Quigley and Campbell will have their work cut out for them. Both executives will be forced to work extremely hard to build bridges to executives at Optus, AAPT, iiNet, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission and more if they are to cement their credibility in an industry that has long been hostile to Telstra.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy will also need to take steps to convince the industry that the new conciliatory approach by Telstra CEO David Thodey hasn't made Telstra and the Federal Government bosom buddies once again ... a situation that represents the worst nightmare of every other company.

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Talkback 34 comments

    Australia in good hands. Sydney Lawrence -- 25/07/09

    While only having perfunctory knowledge of the qualities of Mr Quigley and Mr Campbell, that being obtained from Press, Television, Radio and Internet sources, I would be persuaded that their qualities are of such a high standard, as to require any suggestion of bias be rejected.

    While it is acceptable to note that no undeserved favouritism should be directed towards Telstra, it would be a serious mistake to expect that the above mentioned gentlemen should have any pressure on them to be anti-Telstra.

    We see in Australia, as is acceptable in a competitive system, much disparagement of Telstra which, in many cases, would appear to be not creditable and erected simply for the purpose to gain Telstra opponents advantage.

    Let every telecoms company in Australia cease these bitter self-promoting campaigns and endeavour for solutions that will deliver the high standard of Network as expected by Australians at an acceptable quality and price.

    starting with telstra Anonymous -- 25/07/09 (in reply to #320164376)

    *Let every telecoms company in Australia cease these bitter self-promoting campaigns and endeavour for solutions that will deliver the high standard of Network as expected by Australians at an acceptable quality and price*.

    starting with telstra!

    @Australia in good hands. Terry -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164376)

    "it would be a serious mistake to expect that the above mentioned gentlemen should have any pressure on them to be anti-Telstra."

    They shouldn't be anti-Telstra or pro-Telstra, the NBN is a wholesale open access network which all carriers will be able to access. The fact that you're even hinting that they would receive pressure to be anti-anyone is disappointing Sydney, I think you'll find they're both professional and understand the gravity of the project they will be heading up and won't take unfair bias towards anyone.

    It's Time.... to get serious Vasso Massonic -- 25/07/09

    "The reality in Australia's telecommunications industry is that virtually every executive with any real experience has spent some time either within Telstra's ranks or working directly with the company in an external role.".... says it all.

    Telstra is Australia, it's an opportune time to resolve the issues in a constructive way for the benefit of all.

    it's time Anonymous -- 25/07/09 (in reply to #320164470)

    and not to mention all those shares you have too.
    that wouldn't have any bearing would it.

    it's time Vasso Massonic -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164525)

    Anonymous, I take the liberty of adding an addendum to Renai LeMay's article VIZ:

    "The reality in Australia's telecommunications industry is that virtually every executive with any real experience has spent some time either within Telstra's ranks or working directly with the company in an external role."

    Here is my addendum:

    The reality in Australia is that virtually every living soul, whether working or in retirement, has an investment of sorts in Telstra. In fact. Our sovereign fund, the Commonwealth Future fund owns 2 billion Telstra shares which earn the Commonwealth of Australia $560 million per annum.

    I own and earn merely a drop in the bucket.

    The typical "hypocrisy" of Mr. Massonic! RS -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164703)

    For those who don't tune into the comedy comms channel known as nowwearetalking, Mr. Massonic (and I know this will be hard to believe) is actually more Telstra biased than even Sydney Lawrence, having made 3.5 times as many blindly biased, always share/greed driven, sugary Telstra comments, as Mr. Lawrence!

    Here he is now saying how ultimately impartial Messrs Cameron and Quigley would be (and I agree), even though they have a long history with/at Telstra.

    BUT only yesterday (yes he is so welcomed at nowwearetalking, that his comments are even published on Saturdays when no one else's are) he posted a comment titled -

    "Conflict of Interest ? The charade continues".

    He went on to obviously infer that Mr. Peter McCarthy-Ward - a "FORMER" British Telecom employee who is now a "private consultant" with clients which include BT and also the Australian government, re: the NBN - of being biased against Telstra, because his "former employer" and Telstra are competitors!

    Telstra people can't be biased but non Telstra people are "always biased, eh"? OMG...

    Some people are so overcome with wanton hypocritical greed, that all impartiality, logic, rationale and commonsense, are tossed aside!

    Please refer bottom of the page with my reply to your greedy Telstra, twin, in relation to people having an inadvertent stake in companies, for SingTel's/Optus's ASX holders.

    The typical "hypocrisy" of Mr. Massonic! Vasso Massonic -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164782)

    RS, whatever that is.

    The conflict of interest comment was brought on by the Australians Financial review. Take it up with it's editor.

    Yes but did they... RS -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164975)

    Mr. Massonic, a few basic questions relating to your comment, "BROUGHT ON" by the Financial Review. Plus, some enlightenment in relation to your smarter**ed inference, about RS.

    1. Did the Fin. Review also "bring on" and post the article to nowwearetalking (on a Saturday - wow) with the very impartial [sic] heading "THE CHARADE CONTINUES"?

    Then after doing so..

    2. Did the Fin. Review, after pretty well accusing one gentleman of unethical bias, simply because of his previous employer 'BT", then "impartially of course, bring on" the complete opposite (both here and on nowwearetalking) and heap sugary praise on two different gentlemen, who could well be perceived equally biased, due to their previous associations with "Telstra"?

    I don't think the Fin. review did that, did they? That was you! Not really the work of one who is impartial? But then, you like to blame everyone else don't you? Perhaps it was the Butler or the ACCC, who did it?

    Now also FYI, Mr. Massonic -

    Relating to me, RS obviously stands for "ravishingly splendid"!

    As opposed to RS for you, obviously representing "repugnantly selfish"!

    Hope this clears it up for you?

    sigh @ robbie stephens Anonymous -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320165046)

    Hi RS,

    Its obvious from the drivel exactly who you are =P

    Fair enough to have a crack at what you consider bias from vasso, who admittedly does has a stake in the form of shares.

    Fair enough to have a crack at sydney, who for all his entertaining qualities does tend to spout a paraphrase of the same bloody paragraph every time.

    What really isnt fair enough is that you never seem to chip in to a debate without trying to use your (admitedly sometimes almost amusing) wit to hack down someone else??

    Cant you just comment on bloody communications instead of filling all the bloody websites I like reading with anti shareholder shite!!

    the first one or two were cool, but your up to about forty or fifty really really generic posts and i'm kinda over it..

    and its all about me of course =()

    please... we get your anti vasso/sydney comments.. we'd just like you to get some new material =P

    New stuff just for the anonymous person/shareholder/troll from nowwearetalking. RS -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320165075)

    Hello anonymous person/shareholder from nowwearetalking. Is that you Mr. Mitchell, lol.

    Here's some new stuff just for you.

    I see you are quite the detective. You have worked out, after I spelled it out so even you could understand, the initials and the name from your greed fest nowwearetalking haven't you, anonymous person/shareholder from nowwearetalking. Well done. 2 free Telstra shares for you, see your mates.

    So I wonder which side your bread is buttered on?

    Anonymous person/shareholder from nowwearetalking, that's the good thing about these types of chats, if you don't like them you can switch off or just move on. So why don't/didn't you.

    Obviously my home truths are hitting a bit too close to home for you too, anonymous person/shareholder from nowwearetalking.

    However I do note, anonymous person/shareholder from nowwearetalking, you don't seem to have tired of Mr. Lawrence's incessant 4 years of the same and Mr. Massonics almost 800 comments in 18 months at nowwearetalking. But you have my two dozen here on ZD.

    So this all paints a pretty obvious picture, doesn't it, anonymous person/shareholder from nowwearetalking.

    Good thing the message of the nowwearetalking greed, is getting through though and people are seeing the likes of Mr. Lawrence, Massonic and you, for your true colours.

    So I must thank you in being most helpful in "spreading the word" in that department, hey anonymous person/sheraholder/troll (ooh) from nowwearetalking.

    your really good at reading things between the lines that arent there robbie sun there are reasons people remain anonymous apart from conspiracy theories captain rampant paranoia -- 28/07/09 (in reply to #320165082)

    Greetings Robbie,

    A single comment does not a troll make.

    You've obviously missed my point. Please remove the macro from your system which automatically populates four to eight paragraphs with propaganda and mindless drivel, and try to think before you respond.

    My entire point is that personally I, the person its all about, read forums to read about upcoming issues, interesting conversations etc.

    Even flames are quite amusing.

    You sir, don't even have the art of the flame... you just spout the same tirade of crap over and over again, and then claim victory????

    At least use a couple of new cutting comments.

    My comment had nothing to do with Telstra, yet you go back to your old shareholder rant?? I wish I was rich enough to be a shareholder buddy, I just enjoy my small pleasures, such as reading through a few blogs.

    I dont really give a rats **** if you like telstra/shareholders etc.. i just want to read something interesting without having to scroll through three pages of shoddily written one-upmanship from another obviously biased source.

    You can post wherever you want buddy, I dont really care, I just dont like reading the same old rant again and again.. and as to sydney and vasso etc... after a couple of months of reading the valid worthwhile posts, for and against various topics, most peoples brains seem to blank them out as an obviously biased and non objective commentary.

    Basically the strategy is this... if you see the name sydney lawrence, assume the next line will contain something about devious plots and then skip, and i'd usually apply the same tactic to vassos.

    Problem with yours mate is that from having to spin that mousewheel 8 or 9 times just to get from your opening statement to your final riposte is starting to give me RSI.

    You made a better point with your first two posts before you became the "Anti-Vasso/Anti-Sydney"

    You sound exactly the same as them, just from the other side of the fence... and you actually sound more arrogant.

    I would suggest a counciler but your obviously way past that point, we're either going to need a properly trained psychologist (probably a psychiatrist) to get you out of the psychosis you entered after five days and nights awake writing all those posts.

    anyway, im sure you'll respond to this with the word "shareholder" so i don't even know why i wasted the efforts of typing back to you.

    I beg thee, if you feel the need to flame back.. at least do it properly?

    Go get 'em ..."tiger", lol. RS -- 29/07/09 (in reply to #320165417)

    Gee I almost missed this, which would have been a real shame, lol.

    It's always most gratifying when one sets (even simple) goals, then attains those goals, as I clearly must have attained here! It means I have "hit that nerve with factual information".

    Anonymous troll (Telstra employee/shareholder) you may also, "one day", find out what it is like to reach a goal any goal, too! But that day certainly isn't in sight anytime soon. Also, although unlikely, you may even educate yourself to a degree where you can actually afford a few Telstra shares and join your greed buddies, eh, sonny boy?

    But humorously, sometimes not only do I achieve goals by discrediting one's greed, as I again, must have obviously done here. But sometimes, just sometimes, I actually exceed all expectations, by easily managing to also "lure the cerebrally challenged, like you", into the fray as well, lol!

    You see, discrediting those who lie to support their own financial agendas, simply by using factual information, as I do, is one thing. But to aimlessly, anonymously troll and flame as you have done, is entirely different and quite simply places you squarely on the bottom rung of the food chain! Now pointed out, you must feel most foolish and oh so hypocritical, for coming here to "diss me for dissing others"? Or are you still not switched on enough to realise what a hypocrite you actually are, for doing so?

    There's only a few, "challenged enough to come to the party", as you have felt you must, as most aren't "personally affected by my truthful comments" and don't "need" to embarrassingly reply, as you did/do!

    Obviously after reading your uneducated ramblings - where you again "hypocritically", say my comments are shoddily written (coming from an illiterate who can't even spell counsellor - there's no such word as COUNCILER, lol) you are one who isn't blessed with a great deal of anything, really, are you? One who is sans investments and who will race in and demonstrate his complete lack of self restraint! But more importantly, one who clearly demonstrates intelligence deficiencies and a complete lack of cohesion?

    All simply because you see my comments as a true reflection of yourself! That is priceless.

    However, it is pleasing to see a "perpetual bench warmer such as you", summoning a little courage and gathering the tiny intelligence you do possess, to try to match wits with the men. At least you gave it a shot "sonny".

    But in future, probably best to wait until you sprout a few pubes, before entering a realm you obviously are overwhelmingly ill equipped for! But again, "at least you gave it a shot". However, you definitely show raw potential and glimpses of promise, in a naive, gullible and foolish sort of way! So your time will come, "tiger"!

    Being so, please remember, I'm only a mail away, if you need further mentoring. I am most willing to offer you more pointers, man to boy? I don't mind at all. Well you need all the help you can get and I'm just a nice guy!

    I now await your inevitable, hypocritically, exceedingly wise [sic] reply, "tiger"! After all, you really can't help yourself, can you "try hard", lol?

    Ooh btw, your most obvious RSI isn't caused by scrolling!

    telstra is NOT Australia! Simon -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164470)

    What is that supposed to mean? Telstra is just another company looking out for sharholders and not doing that very well.

    Sad that most of the industry used to start their career at Telecom Aust. Since the invention of Telstra, this has declined rapidly to the point now where most ex-telstra people are marketing and sales.

    TRL and technical skills used to be Telecoms crown jewels, now outsourced to India.

    Re Telstra Shares and unnamed assassins. Sydney Lawrence -- 26/07/09

    Anonymous, you prove my point precisely. The devious, self-serving and destructive comment against Telstra by people that, for obvious reasons, refuse to identify themselves.

    re telstra and sickening fanbois Anonymous -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164644)

    no sydney enough of your nwat crap.

    not everyone who posts here is a retiree, who was stupid enough to depend on telstra shares, like you and vasso. i'm sorry to have to spell it out to our elders, but enough is enough.

    some of us work and as you saw with lesslie nassar, some are unable to put their names to comments, for a number of reasons.

    so it is *you* who is the devious, self serving, shareholder who only cares about himself.

    your extreme bias and lying to *disparage all of telstra's opponents* while *heaping endless praise on telstra*, all because you have telstra shares is sickening to me and i'm sure, to most australians.

    Truth will out. Sydney Lawrence -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164664)

    Anonymous, really you are pathetic. I have told you time and time again I have no Telstra shares As every other Australian, I would be involved with Telstra's prosperity via Super Funds etc.

    Anon please be so kind as to educate me why you cannot have the courage of your convictions and identify yourself?

    you can't handle the truth Anonymous -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164682)

    umm sydney, another guy went through this with you about a week ago and you couldn't deny it.

    so again, you are the *pathetic one* as you try to hide all the little lady's shares!

    i already explained why i cannot put my name, so now add 2 and 2 together, if you can.

    but let me say i do not work for any of telstra's opponents and i do not have shares in any of their opponents either.

    @Truth will out. Terry -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164682)

    "Anonymous, really you are pathetic. I have told you time and time again I have no Telstra shares As every other Australian, I would be involved with Telstra's prosperity via Super Funds etc."

    This may be a mute point but what about people who have superfunds that have invested in Singtel shares?

    Bet U have a few Terry? Sydney Lawrence -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164693)

    Terry, with respect it would probably be the Singaporeans who would have the Singtel shares and who would most benefit from Telstra's demise.

    More FUD from Sydney RS -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320164745)

    Is that right?

    As usual Sydney you blindly believe the nowwearetalking rhetoric and repeat it without actually knowing the facts.

    Gee it would be nice for you to say something even only once, after finding out the facts, instead of repeatedly displaying your disgraceful share driven foolishness and ignorance.

    Here is SingTel Optus' Top 20 holders of Def and FPO on the ASX (source: Comsec)

    1.National Nominees Ltd
    2. JP Morgan Nominees AUST Ltd
    3. HSBCCustody niminees AUST Ltd
    4. ANZ Nominees Ltd
    5. Citicorp Nominees Pty Ltd
    6 .Cogent Nominees Pty Ltd
    7. RBC Dexia AUST Nominees Pty Ltd
    8, AUST reward investment alliance
    9. AMP life Ltd
    10. Cogent Nominees Pty Ltd (SMP)
    11. Citicorp Nominees Pty Ltd (CWLTH AUST)
    12. JP Morgan Nominees AUST Ltd
    13. Citicorp Nominees Pty Ltd (CFS, WSLE)
    14. QLD Investment Corp
    15. UBS Nominees Pty Ltd
    16 .Citicorp Nominees Pty Ltd (CFS)
    17. Citicorp Nominees Pty Ltd (CFS Future)
    18. The AUST National University
    19. Mr. Paul O'Sullivan
    20. Citicorp Nominees Pty Ltd (CWLTH BANK)

    Hmm lots of Australians including your fellow Queenslanders and the Australian National University, Sydney!

    Australia needs you RS. Sydney Lawrence -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164778)

    RS your remarks, printed above are very hurtful and do not conforming to your usual sensible and balanced debate.

    However, and without malice, I would draw your attention to the fact that the list of Shareholders you supplied concerning SingTel Optus only display the Australian Shareholders of SingTel Optus.

    I am sure that should you look to the SingTel Share Register you would find that the vast majority of the Company is owned by others outside Australia.

    Incidentally, RS do you support several major Australian Unions that are calling on the Australian Government to buy from and support Australian companies?

    In answer to Australia needs you RS. Anonymous -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164949)

    You'll never get RS to agree with anything you say Sydney, so why bother trying.

    @in answer to RS -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164986)

    No anonymous Telstra shareholder, I will not agree with Mr. Lawrence, because my rationale and commonsense has not been exhumed by complete greed like him (and you)?

    You want me to agree with one who continually infers that Telstra is infallible and the rest are leeches who don't deserve to live. One who has never said even one positive comment about Telstra's opponents, whilst here daily praising Telstra, no matter what. Even when Telstra does a complete about face, he says Telstra were and still are right? Yeeees.

    If you agree with Mr. Lawrence's shareytales that's fine, you are entitled to. But don't have the audacity to come here, peddling your greedy, share driven bullsh!t and expect other people to agree with him/you?

    Once Mr. Lawrence stops telling lies, at least forwards one truth with something to back himself up, starts to makes sense - not accusing others of disparaging the idol, stops hiding his greed behind 'buy Australian" (which Simon has shown to be pure bullsh!t) or can finally forward a comment which isn't directly attributed to his wife's portfolio and his disgraceful greed thereof! He will have many people agree with him.

    Unfortunately there's less chance of that happening than there is of a unicorn wandering through my living room!

    .....@in answer to Anonymous -- 28/07/09 (in reply to #320165047)

    "No anonymous Telstra shareholder, I will not agree with Mr. Lawrence, because my rationale and commonsense has not been exhumed by complete greed like him (and you)?"

    Rationale and common sense, is something you may have, but obviously in very short supply. If Sydney Lawrence told you that the earth was round, I am sure you would tell him it was flat.

    @@in answer to Anonymous -- 28/07/09 (in reply to #320165432)

    well at least he has some, you have none fanboi.

    Support Australian Simon -- 27/07/09 (in reply to #320164949)

    I happily support the unions in this effort, always buy from real Australian battlers like iinet, TPG, Internode, Westnet, People Telecom and the like.

    Dont support non Auatralian companies or Australian companies that outsource and source everthing from overseas - like Optus, Telstra and NAB.

    @More FUD from RS Steve -- 30/07/09 (in reply to #320164778)

    RS Not to put too fine a point on it but if you had checked you would have found that the list of companies you listed hold a total of 2.4% of the total amount of shares of SingTel.

    Source SingTel Annual report 08/09.

    Not what I call significant.

    By the way the Singapore Govt holds appox 54%

    Steve RS -- 31/07/09 (in reply to #320168046)

    Steve, thanks for the rational reply. I was actually awaiting being accused of being an unAustralian, Telstra demoniser, here for my own financial benefit.

    Thanks for the advice too, but there is absolutely no need to check, those are the top 20 SingTel shareholders on the ASX, "exactly as I claimed". Be that 2.4% or whatever number you wish to use, regardless they are the top 20 - ComSec 2/7/2009.

    Now as I understand it...SingTel started in 1992 and was floated in Singapore, in 1993. They then bought 100% of Australia's Optus in August 2001 and floated in Australia, in September 2001.

    Singapore's "Temasek", an investment company, with links to the Singaporean government, controls SingTel (including Optus) with 54.11% - source ComSec. This would mean that 45.89% of the remaining shares in SingTel, both here and in Singapore, are owned by other investors/shareholders. Including many
    "Australian shareholders, right here in Australia, even mums and dads". Ooh btw, no not me!

    This demonstrates that contrary to some Telstra supporters claims, "not all profits are sent to Singapore", some stay right here, in the form of dividend payments (SingTel pays 45 to 60% of underlying net profit in dividends - source Optus website) funding for R&D, Cap Ex, maintenance, wages etc and of course "tax"!

    Consider too, when SingTel bought Optus, they brought investment dollars "to Australia". Plus, as they grew/grow, further investment dollars are spent here and employment opportunities are created too!

    Now to show that I am not "Telstra bashing" and to be fair ...

    While Telstra also send many millions abroad too, due to their greater profits, consequently much more Telstra money "actually stays here", which is "obviously a good thing"!

    Now can you do as I have with my Telstra postive claim here, and actually admit Optus being here does have an upside too?

    Please guys, cut the negativity about "all profits go to Singapore" and concentrate on Telstra's positives, which are again being brought to the fore by Mr Thodey!

    So called "True competition" Anonymous -- 28/07/09

    Oh how the wheels turn.....all this trouble & cost (under the guise of "True competition") to create another Telstra that the Government can offload to the public a second time.

    What a joke! How pathetic!

    Monopoly Myth Anonymous -- 05/08/09 (in reply to #320165387)

    Ths so called Monopoly on comminications in Australia is always put forward by SINGTEL/OPTUS.

    IF they did some investing instead of Telstra Bashing we would have the holy grail of "True Competition"

    liar Anonymous -- 05/08/09 (in reply to #320183295)

    before competition there was only telstra, hows that not a monopoly professor stupid?

    you pillock! Anonymous -- 05/08/09

    Because OPTUS are blod sucking leeches that prefer to take their profits back to Singapore instaed of reinvesting in the oz pillock!

    bs Anonymous -- 05/08/09 (in reply to #320183751)

    idiot

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