Net neutrality is an 'American problem'

The leaders of three of Australia's largest ISP's have declared the Net neutrality debate as solely a US problem — and further, that the nation that pioneered the internet might want to study the Australian market for clues as to how to solve the dilemma.

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Net neutrality is a term coined by internet users who oppose the increasing tendency among network owners (telcos) to tier or prioritise certain content on the network.

The debate was sparked after several American and British service providers offered to charge a premium to prioritise traffic connecting with some sites over others. These service providers claim the internet is "running out of capacity" due to excessive use of rich content like video and file sharing traffic. The only model with which capacity can be expanded, they argue, is to charge large media companies to prioritise traffic to and from their sites.

[America's] problem is that unlike Australia, they [offer] truly unlimited plans.

Justin Milne, group MD, Telstra Media

However, Simon Hackett, the managing director of Adelaide-based ISP Internode, argues that it is ridiculous to suggest bandwidth is "running out".

"I don't subscribe to the view that network capacity is finite at all... Optical fibre basically doesn't run out of capacity, it's just a question of how fast you blink the bits at each end," he said in a recent interview with ZDNet.com.au.

"The [Net neutrality] problem isn't about running out of capacity. It's a business model that's about to explode due to stress. The problem, in my opinion, is the US business model," said Hackett.

"The US have got a problem," weighed in Justin Milne, group managing director for Telstra Media and former chief of Australia's largest ISP BigPond. "Their problem is that unlike Australia, they [offer] truly unlimited plans."

The problem with an "unlimited access" plan, explains Hackett, is that it "devalues what a megabyte is worth". American customers have never been able to put much of a dollar value on traffic, as historically, US ISPs have "had it very easy" in terms of bandwidth costs. The United States invented the internet, developed the first content for it, and the rest of the world essentially subsidised the US to connect to that content.

[Net neutrality] ... is a business model that's about to explode due to stress.

Simon Hackett, Internode

"It was quite rational to charge [users] a fixed amount of money for access [in the US] because the actual downloads per month were trivial," comments Hackett.

Today, there is as much local traffic floating around the rest of the world as there is in the United States, and America is as much a consumer of the world's content as it is a distributor of content to the world. In addition, the traffic being carried is far richer in terms of content, so the cost of feeding capacity to the "YouTube Generation" is considerably higher.

"Now everybody file shares and sends video all around the place," says Milne, "and the problem for the telcos in the US is they are having to expand their networks as they go, but they are not getting paid any more money."

Who pays?
American ISPs are thus faced with a choice as to who to charge in order to build out their networks to accommodate the increased traffic.

The first choice is to absorb the costs themselves, the status quo to date, which is less than desirable as a business model.

The second choice is to cease to offer unlimited plans, which passes the cost of excessive bandwidth use onto those users that consume the most.

The more you use the more you pay ... the internet in the US just magically decided to avoid that.

Justin Milne, group MD, Telstra Media

The final choice, says Michael Malone, CEO of ASX-listed ISP iiNet, is to charge content providers, the model that has stirred up controversy.

"The attempt is being made certainly in the UK but also in the US to push that cost onto the content owner by saying, you pay, and we'll prioritise your traffic," he said. "[And] if you don't pay, your traffic will be really crap."

American ISP's are hesitant to take the option of charging customers for excessive use, Milne says, because they will "probably all knick off and go to my competitors who are not charging them". Instead, they plan to "charge the guys who are putting big gobs of video traffic into my network — which would be people like Microsoft and YouTube and Google etc."

"Those guys say, you're kidding, what about Net neutrality? The Net is supposed to be free, man! You can't charge us for putting traffic in there because that's denying the natural rights of Americans! I think the argument is thin but nevertheless Congress seems to be picking it up."

Learn from Down Under
The right choice, agree all three Australian ISP leaders, is to put the onus on the user, a model that has worked well in Australia.

As an Australian ISP, around 60 to 70 per cent of traffic comes from overseas. "You've got to haul the traffic," explains Milne. "All of that traffic is volumetrically charged — the more traffic you haul from overseas, the more you pay.

So all ISPs in Australia, because of our unique geography, have got used to pay-as-you-go and have handed those pay-as-you-go principles on to their customers."

Malone says that when users are offered truly unlimited access to download as much as they want, three per cent of customers use over 50 per cent of all the downloads. Download quotas can eradicate that problem if they are set at such a level that it affects this three per cent, while having zero affect on the majority.

Quotas, Malone says, aren't designed to be punitive.

"Quotas are meant to be able to say that for 95 per cent of customers, this [much data] is enough... This is an effectively unlimited connection for most people.

[Net neutrality is] an artificial problem created out of fear of modifying the business model.

Simon Hackett, Internode

"From my point of view, [Net neutrality is] an artificial problem created out of fear of modifying the business model," says Hackett. "The idea that the entire population can subsidise a minority with an extremely high download quantity actually isn't necessarily the only way to live," said Malone.

The Australian model gives ISP's predictability about income and network costs, explains Hackett.

"If a user uses much more stuff, they wind up on higher plans, so we can actually afford to bring in more [network equipment and capacity]," he said. "So it's kind of self-correcting. In the US, an ISP is visibly afraid of the idea of customers pulling video 24/7. [Whereas] if our users use more traffic it doesn't actually scare us. You get the sense that it actually does scare [US ISP] Comcast."

Milne says a number of US cable companies have taken the hint and started charging "volumetrically".

"I think that's actually where things will finish up," he says. "Be it electricity, travel, petrol, we as humans have got used to the idea that the more you use the more you pay, albeit with a discount. The Net in the US just magically decided to avoid that, and now I think they'll have to come back to reality."

"Yes, you can't just keep on building these networks forever for free. You can build them bigger and bigger and bigger, but somebody has to pay for it. There has to be a business model by which the network is paid for," added Milne.

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Talkback 38 comments

    Australian, US vs European Model Anonymous -- 24/09/08

    I disagree with the view to slap Australian customers with hefty pricing.

    European internet users would be downloading overseas contents but they pay one third of AUS price � UNLIMITED. It's a government commitment to make information as accessible to its citizens as possible.

    you are incorrect Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112671)

    you have to take population density and infrastructure into equation.

    aus has 20 million people with 5 main cities on edges of a continent bigger than europe.

    Germany alone has over 75 million people and is less in size than an aussie state.

    we will always be paying extra for communication costs in aus, it's just that simple.

    Large isp Syd -- 25/09/08

    Is an isp wihth over 200 thousand people i dont think internode is near that , so how can they be classed as large. By classing internode as a large isp destroys any creditability in this article

    ABS says it is Anonymous -- 25/09/08 (in reply to #320112685)

    The ABS classifies Internode as being a "Very Large" ISP, based on more than 100k subscribers. It's hardly a tinpot operation, as much as the knockers would love to paint it that way.

    So I suppose you're going to call into question the credibility of the ABS now?

    ABS Anonymous -- 25/09/08 (in reply to #320112692)

    Because the ABS is right? right?

    It must be, just ask them!

    Internode "Very Large"? Grant -- 27/09/08 (in reply to #320112699)

    Then why does Simon Crackpot run around crying thay he is a small ISP just trying to survive?

    How big is Internode? Anonymous -- 27/09/08 (in reply to #320112685)

    As a private company, Internode's size and success isn't covered as regularly as a public company.

    Best information i can find on the web:

    1/9/08 - Reporting 2007-08 revenues of $116 million

    23/4/07 - 100,000th Broadband Customer, 20,000 dial and 10,000 Voice

    errr Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112685)

    Internode is the largest ISP in australia, it has more than 1.5 million users.

    Sure, let the big companies pay Anonymous -- 25/09/08

    Why not? I mean, Gooogle could pay ISPs for most of their bandwidth, and then any site other than Google would be slow as hell. It's a brilliant way of making people use your services over your competitor's.

    Seriously though, this is such a bad idea, however I'm sure the Americans will end up doing it anyway. I mean, ISPs have the power, and they don't want to alienate their customers who pay them money, they'd rather charge someone else more money.

    If google provides soo much content... Anonymous -- 25/09/08 (in reply to #320112698)

    .. then why not just sell them the internet and let them work it all out.

    too late Anonymous -- 25/09/08 (in reply to #320112698)

    They already tried that, and the US made it illegal for them to try again.

    Good luck with that point of view.

    The problem was that the ISPs were going to intentionally slow down traffic from sites like youtube unless they were paid. In theory its not a huge problem but in practice it would be used as a threat to extort money from large web companies like google and yahoo.

    huh Anonymous -- 02/10/08 (in reply to #320112698)

    think about new startups, they wont survive if they have to pay for the bandwidth...

    what about individuals who blog and that ??

    The Australian Model makes sense Anonymous -- 25/09/08

    The model we have here is the best way to go about things - even if the pricing of the plans is probably a tad too high.

    The model we use in Australia suits Australia because of our geographic location. A totally unlimited would fail - and the past has proven that. This is why you don't see totally unlimited plans in Australia. They just don't work.

    However, I think proper international debate should take place over why we actually charge for data? Why does it cost $x/MB to send data from Australia to the US and back again?

    If the business model of the backbone changes from charging per MB to charging for link speed or some other type of option only then can ISPs change their current business models of data caps, etc.

    Upstream is charged by port speed Scott -- 25/09/08 (in reply to #320112719)

    Transit, peering and backhaul links are already charged on a port speed basis - as far as I am aware this has always been the case.

    This means that Aussie ISP's take the cost of their upstream and work out how much their user base can utilise each month, including peak times, and charge accordingly. This is how they manage to offer off-peak extra's - while the links are under less load, there is no issue with the userbase increasing their usage.

    International Traffic Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112753)

    Correct, International backhaul is purchased on both a port speed as well as distance travelled. As SXC and AUS-JP are very long cables, they will be expensive. Thats just how it goes downunder. Plus we have very few customers compared to Europe which is closer to the USA. (this info comes from a global telco I've been working with just recently).

    Then you have to work out how to peer in the USA. Unless your a true Teir 1, you have to pay transit charges, so this is why we have to live with a volume-based system.

    And finally, to purchase international capacity, you have to purchase it in STM-1 increments, so that means the entry point is for a minimum 155Mbps. Not cheap if you only have a few Mbps of international traffic, which is why not many local ISP's can afford it. Added to that, there is high demand on both SXC and AUS-JP, its just not ecconomical unless you big enough (aka Telstra or Optus) to buy in bulk, for private customers and internet customers.

    Australian model becomes American? Stick it to the Man! -- 25/09/08

    Just a thought. Even though the Australian model is better - pay as you go - If the American's do change and allow their major uploaders to be billed, you can guarantee Australian's will follow suit and charge both the Customer and the content providers.

    ISPs are business out there to make money... so why not?
    The Net Neutrality problem will affect Aussies too. If American content providers do not pay up, then Aussies will not have as much access to their content either.. not just Americans.

    I think it is in the whole world's best interests to ensure that ISPs cannot be charge for prioritising traffic in America or in any country.

    Already non-neutral Anonymous -- 25/09/08

    Internet usage has always been the 'fill-the-gaps' component in the communication landscape, where premium services (non-internet) have effectively subsidised it and we have to put up with periodic choking because it would cost us a lot more otherwise.

    However, out of all the possible models, a simplified user pays one is probably the most equitable. If someone wants unlimited, then they should really pay for it. It IS unfair to expect others to.

    Charging content providers in Australia would just force more content to be provided from overseas. Some ISPs do not charge for uploads to encourage this, though with more symmetric usage (such as VoIP), this is less tempting for them.

    Australians though, genrally pay too much for communication services. SMSs are an extremely low-bandwidth, extremely overpriced example. Given the actual amount of bandwidth required for them, they should be much less than a cent, notwithstanding that they are close to instant. As ISPs move closer to becoming bandwidth providers, all services should get cheaper. And VoIP should start hacking into mobile charges. 3 has to be given credit for leading that charge.

    Volumetirc Anonymous -- 26/09/08

    I think that volumetric charging for internet traffic is unethical.
    I know at least several people who have had excess internet bills beyond $300.

    And the point is... Anonymous -- 27/09/08 (in reply to #320112854)

    They didn't choose the correct plan for their needs and have no idea of the terms and conditions when they signed up.

    Not the problem peterh_oz -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112854)

    Volumetric isn't unethical, but super-highway robbery is! If your plan allows say 5Gb for $40 but you use 7Gb, then you SHOULD be charged extra. But it should be more like $2-$5 per Gb, not $150 per Gb like some of our more well-known telcos!

    Meaning of net neutrality Anonymous -- 27/09/08

    This article is inacurrate.
    Net neutrality does not mean "everyone pays the same, regardless of how much they use" - not even close. It means all types of traffic on the net are treated equally, without any prejudice.
    It doesn't clash at all with the "pay for what you use" model.
    Also, the term was not coined by activists, it was coined by the scientists and engineers who helped make the net what it is today.

    agreed james -- 27/09/08 (in reply to #320112880)

    when ARPANET was created, the boffins behind it created it so each individual packet was treated the same, and the pioneers of the internet intended it to stay that way, it didnt matter if the traffic was from a poor man or a rich man (or woman, not biased here, lol >.<) and i sincerly hope it stays that way

    Class of Service Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112898)

    When the internet was created the boffins behind it created it so that each IP packet has a header field with class of service options. Let's use them as intended. You can't treat voice traffic the same as P2P.

    The article is correct and so are you, but Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112880)

    The article is analysing the cause of the net neutrality issue, not defining it.

    Yeah, look at us Anonymous -- 28/09/08

    Suggesting that overseas markets look to Australia as a beacon of sanity or as a good model is a laugh! Internet access in Australia is over-priced, under-speed and under-capacity. Is it any wonder that these three guys are espousing the status quo as the best solution?

    re: Yeah, look at us Anonymous -- 28/09/08 (in reply to #320112928)

    Useful though, as this all explains their inaction for so many years.

    Australian Prices Anonymous -- 29/09/08

    The reason Australian prices for Internet is so high is that:

    1. The majority of content is offshore

    2. We are a large continent and our major cities are quite a distance away from one another meaning more cable through sparsely populated areas with no cost benefit in between.

    3. Our homes are not packed in close to one another. Lay 200m of cable in Japan and you've got yourself quite a profitable number of subscribers, in Australia you'd get maybe 2 or 3.

    Building an infrastructure over our large landmass and sparsely populated areas is expensive to do, as well as being expensive to maintain. It has nothing to do with greed (perhaps with Telstra), or a bad business model, it's just the reality of the situation. ISP's must charge what they do to remain profitable.

    What the article is discussing "does" relate to Net-Neutrality because America is viewing the Australian business model as an alternative solution to net-neutrality to solve their bandwidth/ costing woes.

    As many people have pointed out Anonymous -- 29/09/08

    The Australian and US models are not comparable. Many of the whinging US providers are Tier 1. They have hundreds of thousands to millions of customers paying equal rates every month, yet they pay nothing but network maintenance costs for much of the content they serve up. In many cases it is sourced on their own networks, especially the dreaded P2P traffic. Hell, if I recall correctly Verizon was paid billions by taxpayers over a decade ago to build out their fiber network and increase service rates but their just starting to roll out FIOS and they can't seem to figure how to do it in the city, what would be their densest subscriber zone. I understand throttling when you are out of bandwidth and trying to service a large group equitably, but the ISPs in the US are not really running out. If anything they are kicking themselves that they cannot figure out a way to fool US consumers into a more expensive ill-fitting Australian-type pay model that isn't built out of the same kind of necessity.

    Hah Anonymous -- 29/09/08

    Just another example of greedy ISP's - lets not forget that bandwith is overpriced by something like 5000% - its way to expensive. Its not a finite commodity, sure you need some people to maintain it and expand from time to time, but its way way way way overpriced by these greedy ISP's. This is an area where government SHOULD interfere and force them to lower prices.

    bandwidth costs Steve -- 29/09/08

    High band-width costs? try $6/MB for satellite (BGAN) and then you'll have something to winge about. Remote area users like myself can only dream of deals like city people get

    You don't understand Anonymous -- 29/09/08

    This perspective is quite a bit different than the one I usually hear. AFAICT we Americans are not worried whether Google or Netflix will have to pay: we are worried whether Bittorrent or non-ISP-sponsored forms of VOIP will become impractical because the ISP will de-prioritize this traffic. And it will stifle the ability to invent new protocols, if the ISPs believe that it's all about HTTP, and other known protocols on known ports, and that they can just block everything else. This has already happened to an extent, alas...

    Allowing them to pass some traffic and block (or severely de-prioritize) others is a can of worms.

    I agree it would be preferable to charge for the amount of bandwidth used, as long as the average charge for typical users goes down rather than up. I have one choice for broadband in my neighborhood: Cox cable. (Sure DSL is available to some people, but not my neighborhood. I live right in Phoenix, which is too large a city not to have DSL everywhere, but that's how it goes.) I subscribe to cable (no premium channels) because I get a $10 discount on Internet service that way. The total charge is more than $85 a month. I get download speeds above 1 MByte/sec sometimes, which is pretty good for the US. (If I ditched the TV maybe it would be $60 or $70.) But it's a lot to pay every month, and I rarely use Bittorrent or YouTube and don't download much video in any other way either, and I don't even care about cable TV because I can get HD stations with an antenna and cannot get them via cable without upgrading to digital cable and paying even more. I'd really like a cheaper option even if there were extra charges for really excessive bandwidth use.

    Not so different Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112972)

    Yes, the issue isn't which content providers are willing to pay, but what the effect will be on those that are unwilling to pay. As a user of any service, I want to be able to choose based on the content, not on how good or bad the delivery is. As the interviewees in the article argue, I can choose what quality of delivery I get.

    Comparing costs, here in Australia my plan costs about AU$60 per month all up and includes:-
    - phone (land-line) plus broadband ADSL
    - 1Mbps broadband (enough for me)
    - 1GB per month peak-time (7pm to 7am)
    - 200GB per month off-peak (7am to 7pm)
    - free phone calls (land-line) to any other number connected to my SP,
    - other local calls, i.e. anywhere in the city, not just the same exchange, are flag-fall only (not timed)
    - package discount on electricity, gas, water, communications for bundling (if I choose to use the same company for all).

    If I happen to exceed my limits, my cost is capped and the connection is throttled for the rest of the month.

    I'm on the second cheapest plan that my ISP offers, I can pay more per month if I want to include movies on demand and higher limits etc. I'm not one of the YouTube generation so what I have suits me fine. Adding movies-on-demand would push this to about AU$80.

    i think you miss the issue entirely Michael Guy -- 30/09/08 (in reply to #320112981)

    I Believe you're missing the entire issue of net neutrality by saying you feel entitled when paying your $70/month for a limited-access, Tiered-access, ISP plan that charges you according to your traffic usage.

    in general, Australia is one country that does not have neutral internet access, it's also a country that still censors it's media, i.e. TV, books, music, games, newspapers, etc.

    What net neutrality is about, is having your ISP decide what you should be using, or their upper-tier backbone providers decide that, hey, You don't pay for their VOIP service, so they will put that 'erroneous' VOIP traffic, emails, or web access, etc.etc. onto an oversold bulk capacity line, along with 200,000 other users all trying to use that bulk-rate service, or apply generic packet limiting software to reduce or filter out p2p traffic or other traffic they don't like.

    i.e. To understand why people have a thing about net neutrality, imagine telstra's new plans for 2010 were a $25/month ADSL plan, but you couldn't use the web, VOIP, Games, websites, etc, you could only use telstra.com services, all firewalled, restricted, and speed-capped as per normal.

    Now you have to literally pay for every service that you want to use, i.e. $30 for global DNS access, $30 for ICMP traffic, $30 extra for web access, $30 for VOIP or even more for skype, $30 for p2p ports, etc, and you still pay $10 per gb of usage, and you have to apply to a customer service agent each time, for each port.

    So, just to get access to your internet banking, is $90 (DNS, web, SSL ports), plus the $25 basic service.

    Right now, that sounds ridiculous and somewhat feasible in today's ISP climate, what happens is that in a few years of ISP's making decisions that go through unopposed, is that you might pay $70 for your 3*gb ADSL account (with peak/bulk data rates, peak/offpeak times, etc.), but without spending extra, you won't be able to access certain countries, emails won't be sent out, you'll have to sit through watching your ISP's non-skippable ad-feed that they insert into your web browsing through their proxy servers, won't let you use unapproved applications on your ISP that they don't resell on the site, or ask you to upgrade your account if you use more hours of access than the AUP allows you to, etc.

    i.e. if it's draconian and stupid, it's very likely the Australian communications industry has probably tried to make money from doing it, or is still trying to do it

    Japanese model? Anonymous -- 29/09/08

    When I moved to Japan and started looking for the best internet plan for me, it was quite frustrating because none of the brochures mentioned download limits. Eventually the penny dropped - there are none. I don't know how profitable ISPs are here in Japan, but download limits are a thing of the past. Prices are around $AUD50 a month for 100Mbs optical fibre. I know there are differences between the situation in Australia and Japan, but I'd love to hear why the Japanese model, or something even close to it, won't work in Aus.

    customer density and localised content Anonymous -- 29/09/08 (in reply to #320112984)

    Japanese Language websites are hosted in Japan, meaning far less offshore traffic, and because their customer density is greater, they get more customers on less infrastructure. IT works out for them much cheaper to provide the content and maintain the infrastructure, so their customers are afforded more freedom.

    Australian Business Model is ridiculous Dr U Wildner -- 30/09/08

    Unfortunately, the Australian providers (in particular Telstra) abuse their monopoly-like position to introduce ridiculous excess charges for usage over the "plan". So if you need a few Gigs more in a month YOU PAY $200 PER EXTRA GB !
    No wonder that their business model works. They are stealing millions of $ every month from unknowledgeable users which cannot protect themselves against such excess usage and the related amplified charges.

    The idea of buying a certain volume of bandwidth per month is turned into a joke by
    those extreme excess charges.

    The internet is not a freeway, it is a toll road Dr U Wank'd'ner -- 30/09/08 (in reply to #320113143)

    I agree that 1GB should be equal in cost regardless of where you are but please answer some thought's from me.

    (a) Would it be better to charge and access fee for the link (ADSL = cheaper then cable etc) and then charge for usage? If the answer is yes then low usage people will complain, if the answer is no then high usage people will complain.

    (b) As wireless spectrum in not unlimited do you provide massive plans and find people can not get on to check their e-mail because everyone is downloading movies? Just look at the Optus network's performance.

    (c) Do you provide a flat cost regardless of demand (see point a for response)

    (d) Do you offer many plans and choices allowing people to decide on their own requirements? Do you make it easy for people to change plans as their demands change? After 20 years of internet in Australia do you place some trust in the consumer that they have some sort of idea as to what their needs are?

    I can not seem to think of any options that is perfect but at least option d will provide the least amount of complaints from people who actually use it (ignoring the armchair experts with their cereal box degrees).

    I run an application on my computer that logs all traffic and provides me an easy guide as to usage, it's the last day of the month and I have used just over 8GB meaning I know I am on the correct plan for my needs. If I went wireless I would choose the 9GB plan and if I needed more I would go and get a casual SIM card and pay for an additional few GB..

    These forums have become a joke because instead of making suggestions and sharing knowledge it is being hijacked by losers who only know how to complain. At least I provided a suggestion which may be beneficial to another reader, what value did you add ... other then to your own ego?

    sucks, but james -- 30/09/08

    2 facts must mainly be considered with usage charges...

    1. were an island, our internet goes through 3 big cables (dont quote me on that though) anytime we want something not in australia, the companies who own them, charge per gig or whatever

    2. most of our traffic comes from over seas

    so unfortunately unlimited net for 1 flat price isnt going to be on the tables until an there some more, non usage charged cables laid..

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