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NBN now a dead parrot

commentary Telstra's decision to upgrade its cable definitely now means that the National Broadband Network won't get built.

This policy is no more. It has ceased to be. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. This ... is an ex-policy.

It has been the beginning and end of communications policy for two years, but this policy is no more. It has ceased to be. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. This ... is an ex-policy.

Well, to be precise it is now a bush broadband subsidy policy, rather like the previous government's Broadband Connect policy, which was gleefully cancelled by the new minister, Stephen Conroy, last year in favour of a "12 megabits for 98 per cent of Australians" election promise policy.

This has gone through the motions, but it was already in trouble when the global financial crisis hit because the rest of the funds, on top of the government's $4.7 billion, will be hard if not impossible to get.

Now that Telstra is spending $300 million installing DOCSIS 3.0 on its cable system in Melbourne as the first stage of a national roll-out, it's all over. By the way, DOCSIS stands for Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification, and is the software needed to use hybrid fibre coaxial cable for symmetric internet services (that is, going both ways — from and to the premises). DOCSIS 3.0 was released in 2006.

So why didn't Singapore Telecom Optus use it to upgrade its own HFC cable before now, and compete with Telstra? Because it very sensibly decided to use the cheaper, regulated ULL (unconditioned local loop) service instead. ULL is where you buy access to Telstra copper to supply ADSL broadband.

So did most other telecommunications companies. As a result we now have very healthy competition in ULL-based ADSL, which is cheap, high-speed and a generally excellent service, thanks to the ACCC.

The NBN is designed to build on that. ADSL works best if the telephone exchange is no further than 1.5km from the customer, so the plan is to bring the "exchanges" out into the suburbs and towns so they're all less than 1.5km away from houses and businesses, and to call them "nodes". Thus — fibre to the node, or FTTN.

The first problem with FTTN is that by going straight to the nodes, the fibre will bypass all the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment that has already been put into the existing exchanges. It's basically a replacement ULL service — still using Telstra's copper for the last 1.5km, but missing the existing exchanges.

That's why all three NBN tenders propose to build the FTTN "outside in" — that is, starting in the bush and doing the cities last.

Specifically, there are 1,000 exchanges that serve 75 per cent of the Australian population very profitably: they will get FTTN in, oh ... 2016? Maybe later. In any case, no government subsidy is needed for supplying fast broadband to those 1,000 exchanges — it's only required for the other 25 per cent of the population.

If there's one thing Telstra hates it's a level playing field — thus the $300 million on DOCSIS 3.0 for its cable in Melbourne, with the rest of the network to come.

As Lord Carter, the UK minister for Broadband has said in his "Digital Britain" policy document, the only thing needed for broadband competition in the cities is open access to all underground ducts.

In addition to copper to every house and business, which is now used for competitive ULL-based ADSL, Australia has two cable networks covering about 2.5 million of those houses and businesses in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Gold Coast. One of them — the Optus one — is in mothballs because ULL ADSL also levels the playing field with Telstra and makes more sense, cost-wise.

If there's one thing Telstra hates it's a level playing field — thus the $300 million on DOCSIS 3.0 for its cable in Melbourne, with the rest of the network to come.

To get a return on this investment, Telstra will work hard to switch all of those customers over to cable and away from copper.

That means there won't be enough customers left to make it worth spending money on nodes in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Gold Coast, and chucking away all the existing ADSL equipment in the exchanges — especially considering how hard it is to raise money these days.

Imagine the scene. Eager young NBN sales person knocks on suburban door: "Excuse me, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Would you like to buy this lovely 12Mbps broadband internet Norwegian blue parrot? Beautiful plumage, although it's just resting at the moment."

"No thanks, dear. I've already got a very lively 100Mbps parrot from that nice Mr Trujillo who went home to California."

Business Spectator

This article by Business Spectator's Alan Kohler is reproduced on ZDNet.com.au courtesy of a reciprocal publishing agreement.

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Talkback 23 comments

    This is good news Mel Sommersberg -- 17/03/09

    I am glad that it is a non-event because I want to see a decent network that reflects the times get built and not some half-baked steaming pile of manure waffled up by Labor to score some quick votes.

    I just hope this becomes the official result and then the government spend some time planning a true national rollout of FTTH.

    Re good news Anonymous -- 17/03/09 (in reply to #320125887)

    In 10 years, if Labor has done as little as the previous government, then please, by all means complain and I will join you.

    But until such time, don't blame the current government, for the previous governments decade of technological hopelessness. While Labor has botched the NBN, it was the Howard government who let us fall so far behind.

    A steaming pile of manure is at least good for the garden. The previous government weren't even clued up enough to manage that.

    Re Re Re Re Re Mel Sommersberg -- 17/03/09 (in reply to #320125889)

    As has been said dozens of times before, all of Australia's broadband infrastructure so far as been rolled out under a conservative government. It has NEVER happened under Labor and by the looks of things we'll still be saying that if KRudd manages to hold on to office in 2010.

    So can the current government be blamed for their failure to award a tender for the FTTN? Yes. Why? Because Senator CONroy is an inept gronk and his boss, KRudd is always overseas fusking around.

    Re - Re Re... Anonymous -- 17/03/09 (in reply to #320125914)

    That is really very funny. How about this then? All of NSW' broadband infrastructure so far as been rolled out under a State Labor government. It has NEVER happened under the cu**servatives.

    Gee look they both happened to be in power at the time, maybe that might explain it.

    Ten years of nought, equals ten years of nought. No matter how much schloss and gloss you make up to try and hide the facts.

    You know the sad part, I think you actually believe your own ridiculous propaganda.

    Brainless comment again requires accurate correction Mel Sommersberg -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125928)

    "Ten years of nought, equals ten years of nought. No matter how much schloss and gloss you make up to try and hide the facts."

    Telecommunications is a Commonwealth responsibility. What do state governments have to do with this? Looks like the glossy brochure has ALL the facts this time and your stupid and juvenile mis-spelling of the word conservative just makes you look twice the idiot that you'd otherwise look like, Mr Anonymous troll.

    Accurate correction or accurate correction according to Mel? Anonymous -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125946)

    My my, aren't we very easily excitable Mel my lad? Disagree with you and be personally set upon, for no apparent reason. Now I see why you have so many tiffs, with your absolute non acceptance of any one else's counter views. Seems this is the way you operate though? Cloud the issue then attack the person. But I'm a big boy, so go your hardest, please.

    Say what you wish, but the parallels between OPEL and the NBN non disclosures are very similar. The big difference of course being that the c**tservatives, who can never do wrong in your eyes, did OPEL, and Labor, who can never do right in your eyes, the NBN! This is the only tangible difference and how YOU differentiate between them.

    Funny too how you consider your self endlessly clever and most adult in saying CONroy and KRudd but I am stupid and juvenile for writing c**tservative? You're not the only one who can make up silly monikers, ya know. But typical of Mel's one rule for Mel and another set of rules for everyone else who disagrees with Mel.

    Maybe it's about time you thought to yourself, 'Gee, I am a horribly, intolerant and narrow minded person'! Also realise that while you believe you are, you aren't the only person with an opinion and your opinion is of no more importance than anyone else's. In fact your opinion is probably less viable, because whilst most come here to put forward a simple opinion without motive, you are unable to ever accept Labor, Telstra or Firefox/Linux positives. So your endless drivel will always be flawed, Liberal/Microsoft and anyone but Telstra rhetoric.

    x2 Mel Anonymous -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320126019)

    Before you carry on, in case it isn't apparent, Mel, I answered both your stupid comments, from here and the other thread, here, rather than wasting more time on you!

    Blah Mel Sommersberg -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320126019)

    "with your absolute non acceptance of any one else's counter views."

    People who post anonymously don't deserve to have their point of view taken seriously, whether it is right or wrong. Secondly, I was replying with facts, not my own point of view. The Commonwealth is responsible for telecommunications - that is fact. Please read the Constitution Act, 1900 for further information.

    "because whilst most come here to put forward a simple opinion without motive, you are unable to ever accept Labor, Telstra or Firefox/Linux positives."

    This thread isn't about operating systems or web browsers but I will address your mention of Labor by asking you to name one thing that is positive about them. I can't think of anything at the moment and I don't apologise for it. However if you'd like to enlighten me then please go ahead.

    "Funny too how you consider your self endlessly clever and most adult in saying CONroy and KRudd but I am stupid and juvenile for writing c**tservative?"

    That is not the only reason you are stupid and juvenile. You post anonymously and expect to be taken seriously whilst your comments are a littany of filth. This isn't a personal attack my friend, but constructive criticism, something which you seem to believe you are above.

    Yep, non acceptance of anyone else's views. NOT anonymous -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320126025)

    Ah the infernal blithering of Mel, the OPPOSITION faithful.

    People who post anonymously don't deserve...

    After reading previous threads I believe Mel Sommersberg isn't your real name? So what sort of stupid petty game are you playing? Pretty silly argument and dare I say, stupid and juvenile comment really. Doesn't matter anyway because I am no longer anonymous, so you stupidity is now dead.

    Also, obviously you either choose to ignore or unless it is pointed out to you and explained, you are unable to comprehend basic comparisons. So let me explain it, just for you.

    Sure, broadband is a federal issue, but my obviously sarcastic comparison was just as meaningful as yours. The Liberal/National coalition was in power for over 10 years, when Telstra, Optus etc, not the government, were rolling out broadband infrastructure. Had Labor been in, it would be no different, except that you would now be here saying the complete opposite and refusing to acknowledge it ever occurred or here giving Optus only, a wrap, instead.

    But even more interesting, had Labor been in power over the same period, they may not have privatised Telstra, or at least not a controlling interest and the ensuing bunfight, may not have or still be, occurring. So your c**tservative colleagues, are the ones to blame. Why don't you give them a serve? Never 'old boy'!

    Littany of filth. Yeah, I saw them live at the Hordern a few moths back, they went off.

    @ blah Jason -- 19/03/09 (in reply to #320126025)

    Haha.

    Ooh, I almost missed this Mel$tra. You are being unfaithful, rofl. NOT anon (priceless).

    But speaking of haha, seems the Bennelong village idiot (no, not the dopey ex-PM who lost his blue ribbon seat, lmfao, the other even dumber village idiot, Mel$tra) is involved in another "brouhaha", haha.

    Jason knows nothing about telecommunications or politics Mel Sommersberg -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126150)

    Mr Howard didn't lose a blue ribbon seat Jason. He lost a once-blue ribbon seat that became notionally Labor because of its shift to the west which is Labor heartland. Electorates like North Sydney, Warringah and Bradfield have expanded into parts of Bennelong and all these seats held their ground despite the overall swing to Labor. So I guess you and your evil twin, Anonymous, have something to learn about how the system works.

    Back to more relevant issues, neither of you have said anything that discredits my claims and KRudd and CONroy - just more verbal diahroea from two wannabee Laurel & Hardys with barely the mentality to count to three or get over wetting their beds.

    Rofl, diarrhea or diarrhoea boy Mel$tra/Principal Skinner Jason -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126201)

    More excuses, blah, blah, blah, Mel$tra or is that muuuuumy's boy, Principal Skinner, lmao.

    History has proven Howard to be only the 2nd PM (the other also being one of NON anons, c**tservatives , lol), hated enough by his own electorate (your neighbours) to dump him. Hahahahahahahaha, but you keep up believing otherwise, I'm sure that muuuuuumy told you this, so it must be right, hey "Seymour", lol!

    By the way moron, speaking of muuuuumy she must have picked you up, dusted you off, wiped your nose/bum and then told you to get back out there (but watch out for those horrible working class scum, black people and basically anyone who looks as though they don't vote Liberal, of course) following your previous pummellings here, because you went missing for a while? Lol.

    Also after you offereing me debating (rofl) tips and to explain how you have out debated me (rofl again) and my eager acceptance for you to do so, you haven't??? In fact I have reminded you and even dared you to, now on 4 occassions. Obviously you are unable keep your word ever and of course, it just proves that the only place you have actually ever out debated me is in your (and muuuuuumy's) own hatred filled, feeble, warped little extremist minds.

    AGAIN I DARE YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU HAVE OUT DEBATED ME. I will then gladly reply!

    The topic is the NBN, not Conroy and Rudd per se. But unlike you, I won't use topic to avoid you. Why would I, you are the spinelss worm (must be hard walking without a backbone) who avoids me, not the other way around! Lmao.

    Difference is, unlike you who is unable to have his own thoughts, as you are too biased to ever see anything wrong with Liberal policies (as such you still have avoided the Liberals praise of Telstra and Trujillo), I don't always agree or disagree with either party.

    I think net filtering is a disgrace and I think the NBN is a farce. That doesn't change the fact that I also thought likewise with many of Howards policies (GST, IR laws).

    So that's really the big difference between us Mel$tra (apart from the fact that you conceitedly and stupidly believe you and your comments are regal - Lord, pfft). I can make my own decisions and say things like John Howard did x, y & z well, but sucked at a, b & c. Whereas Rudd does a, b, & c well, but sux at x, y & z.

    You cannot differentiate, because muuuuumy has told you that the sun eminates from whoever is Liberal leaders anus and everything they do is perfect. Also of course, you have been told by muuuuumy, that everything Rudd does is wrong and you use the same principals (pun intended Seymour) with Telstra and their competitors, Microsort and their competitors, etc.

    So you will hear and accept no different, ever, even if the facts clearly show you to be WRONG. I hope if you ever go to court you get a juror just like you, if you are innocent! One who just won't listen to the facts and says, hang the bastar*, lol.

    You sadly do not have the mental capacity to say muuuuumy you're wrong and look at each issue on it's merits. Frankly you simply aren't intelligent enough, to decipher facts from your own prejudices.

    BTW idiot, it's not diahroea, it's diarrhea or diarrhoea. You ought to know, it flows from your mouth/head/keyboard constantly. Roflmfao.

    Fools - NBN must be Anonymous -- 17/03/09

    This article is sponsored by Telstra, your friendly neighbourhood used car salesman...

    Come on you fools, NBN has to happen if Australia is to be competitive, so to now relent on the NBN at this point in time will be the ultimate win for Telstra

    Re Fools Anonymous -- 17/03/09 (in reply to #320125892)

    Do we still need an NBN if the government changes it's mind and goes with Telstra?

    What? Simon -- 17/03/09

    I can't see how an overdue HFC upgrade will impact an NBN? The cable network is strictly limited to where the Optus cables is run. The 100Mbps is dubious, especially with only 2Mbps back haul. No congestions figures for HFC given its a shared medium.
    So the majority of Australians will get no benefit from this side show. I'm so glad that I can at least get 512kbps from my ULL pair, that's almost up to third world standard!

    NBN Now A Dead Parrot? Anonymous -- 17/03/09

    Alan,
    A good attempt to help Telstra's cause after stuffing up the NBN tender.
    No - NBN is not a dead parrot.
    1. DOCSIS 3.0 also relies on FTTN and then the last mile coax cable to home. Telstra is using the Foxtel cables! This is not a national strategy. Telstra will have difficulty selling this also, unless there are more Foxtel subscribers.
    2. NBN is a national infrastructure, no doubling up like when Optus and Foxtel were laying 2 separate cable infrastructures. We don't want the mess the USA have with so many different cable networks.
    3. NBN will have higher bandwidth, you can utilize existing last miles (copper or coax) but also use fibre to the premise.
    4. With national strategy, the bush and the city will have the same infrastructure, that is how it should be.

    The infrastructure should be government owned (or by separate company but one only for the nation) and maintained by private contractors. The rest should compete to offer services. No more choices for physical carriers just like electricity sockets supplied on the same grid.

    Wait and watch. Sydney Lawrence -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125923)

    Alan is correct. How can one woman, with an obvious Anti-Telstra bias make the decision to expel Telstra from the NBN tender. How can any Minister agree to expel an Australian company, with the capacity to make the NBN a success, with a flimsy excuse of some minor technicality.

    Many lightweight companies are attracted to the NBN build by the $4.7 billion taxpayer money offered by the Rudd Government. These companies are minnows with little finance to contribute. Theirs is a three card trick which will be obvious to the Australian taxpayer if Mr Rudd grants them the contract.

    This NBN project could end up in a gigantic stuff-up with vast amounts of egg on Mr Conroys face and expose the vile campaign that has been conducted against Telstra to the advantage of Telstra opponents.

    A major stuff-up is not minor. Mel Sommersberg -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125953)

    "How can any Minister agree to expel an Australian company, with the capacity to make the NBN a success, with a flimsy excuse of some minor technicality."

    You call Telstra's planned reduction from the original 98% coverage promised by the Commonwealth down to 90% minor? Do you also call Telstra's withholding of information from their bid minor?

    I call it arrogant and there are no other accurate words to describe it. I also call allowing any company, Australian or otherwise, to own and control two networks barbaric, bordering on socialist.

    I find it difficult to know where you stand on many things Sydney. One minute you are bleating about other ISPs sponging off Telstra at the hands of the ACCC and the next you are saying that Telstra should own and control two networks when an opportunity for Telstra's competitors to go it alone exists.

    I'll agree that Labor has stuffed the whole shebang and Senator Conroy hasn't for one minute looked like he's got the ship on the right course and we should be looking at FTTH instead of FTTN but you get that with these Labor dummies. They've got absolutely no idea of what they are doing.

    Wait and see, perhaps. Sydney Lawrence -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125962)

    Mel, sorry if I seem to deviate at times but my only knowledge comes from what I read and hear on the grape vine which at times it is a little frustrating.

    I guess we must wait for information from Senator Conroy but I do agree with you, there is great scope here for a monumental stuff-up.

    quick question... joe -- 18/03/09

    isnt the hybrid coax/fibre network a shared medium?? cause when on cable and to many people in the same area are using it, it all slows down.... so 5 people on it = 20Mbps... not really much better than ADSL2, not to mention if your also having to use its bandwith to carry voice data as well...

    perhaps this 100Mbps cable is exactly the same deal as the Next G 21mbps...

    Quite correct Mel Sommersberg -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125989)

    When I was connected with Bigpond cable I found that it had its ups and downs. When the cable network was behaving itself it was great and the bursts were quite powerful and exceeded the rated download speed at the time. When the network played up or was busy with people watching pay-per-view boxing matches, the footy or Olympics, etc then it was a lot slower because Foxtel also had to share the cable with hundreds of Bigpond punters.

    I've no doubt that DOCSIS 3 would be able to achieve 100Mbit but..... and it is a big but - will Telstra deliver on the promise and as you mentioned, will it die in the arse when shitloads of bandwidth congests it?

    To clarify... Mel -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125993)

    5 people using 100Mbit won't = 20Mbit. I should have stated that before. But if hundreds of people are using cable Internet in your locality and most of them are spanking the connection with music and film downloads whilst the footy or other popular shows are on Foxtel then, yes, speed will be an issue.

    NBN Announcement VeGuru -- 07/04/09

    That is how it should be. See my earlier post.
    A brave move by the Government.

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