HP has no respect for EDS

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Renai LeMay

commentary Hewlett-Packard's contemptuous termination of the 47-year-old EDS brand in a five-paragraph statement filled with marketing hogwash today sends one clear message to the world.

In plain English, it reads: "We don't understand what we paid US$13.9 billion for."

No IT professional in their right mind could possibly believe that the meaningless title "HP Enterprise Services" could have more weight in the highly competitive IT services market than the enduring and powerful Electronic Data Systems brand created by the company's founder Ross Perot back in 1962.

Does this remind anyone else of those IBM divisions who nobody can keep straight? Global technology whatsit? Systems and technology hoohah? What is this, a battle of the incomprehensible division names?

I'm not a marketing expert, but it seems to me that when a company spends 47 years almost single-handedly defining the IT outsourcing market, it's earned some credibility in the minds of its customers. And it's earned the right to keep that name and not be morphed into a division of a company whose primary brand association in the market is with desktop PCs (and these days, laptops).

You're from where? HP what? Oh ... right. You mean EDS! Why didn't you say so?

As industry commentator Mark Mayo pointed out, "EDS pretty much founded the outsourcing industry and that name is very well known. It's definitely a loss ... truly a watershed event."

You can imagine the reaction as 10,000 former EDS salespeople call their clients over the next year. "You're from where? HP what? Oh ... right. You mean EDS! Why didn't you say so?"

But if you've been watching the fallout from HP's EDS buyout as closely as I have over the past year, the move will make sense as just one in a long chain of signals that HP does not fundamentally understand the beast that it has brought into its den.

The first sign of trouble was the news that HP would chop about 24,600 jobs, or 7.5 per cent of its total combined workforce following the acquisition, a move that flowed through to the pair's Australian operation, which at that stage held around 6000 workers. The cuts immediately knocked out around 75 Australian staff, although nobody outside the company knows for sure how deep they eventually went.

The move on its own was expected and legitimate. But HP's attitude towards the cuts revealed the depth of its ignorance about EDS' nature.

EDS Australia managers were frantic with stress at the time, due to the fact that they were not allowed to disclose specific details of the move to the teams they had painstakingly built up locally over the past decade, sometimes poaching staff from rival outsourcers to do so.

The stress built to a level where a sacked EDS Australia worker attempted suicide in November after learning of his retrenchment ... a situation which resulted in dozens of EDS staff detailing their displeasure with the plans on the forums of ZDNet.com.au, among other sites.

Then there was the fact that HP did not appear to have made the normal overtures to the unions representing EDS' highly unionised and structured workforce, either in Australia or in the UK.

Those with long memories will consider this outrageous given the long-running union disputes within EDS half a decade ago and even before. As outrageous even, as Telstra's disdain for dealing with unions before its new CEO David Thodey extended the olive branch.

Lastly, there is the move to combine the EDS business with HP's existing division selling hardware into business and government, under the "HP Enterprise Business" label announced today.

The move will make sense as just one in a long chain of signals that HP does not fundamentally understand the beast that it has brought into its den.

This move smells strongly of an attempt by HP to focus the EDS business on selling and maintaining HP's own hardware, rather than the more vendor-agnostic approach EDS has taken previously. If you were to go back several years, EDS staff would have no problems inking managed desktop services deals including hardware from IBM, Dell and even smaller groups like Toshiba.

But will this still continue to be the case, or will a long line of IT managers start to complain that EDS only likes to admin HP kit?

There's one central truth at the heart of HP's fundamental EDS disconnect. At it's heart, HP is simply not a services organisation. It is a manufacturing company. Its business has thus far been built on creating and selling technology, not on human capital.

In contrast, EDS is a services group dependent on hiring and retaining human talent — people, not machines or IT systems. If you've been around the block in the IT industry, you will have seen this problem before many times.

It was the reason that Telstra could never quite understand the IT services business Kaz which it virtually destroyed in an attempt to mould it to the telco model, and it's the reason Dell's services business never really broke into the IT services market and ended up buying Ross Perot's other IT services group this week.

But that doesn't excuse HP's behaviour during the EDS acquisition, nor will it save it from its own hubris.

And EDS' staff will certainly never forgive their new masters for their arrogant destruction of a brand that rivalled HP's own ... a move that was not an honest battle between equals on the field of war, but was in fact a silent blade slipped into an unsuspecting back in the quiet of night.

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Talkback 21 comments

    Massive layoffs Blue Sky -- 24/09/09

    I hope everyone at HP and EDS (as they were) have paid off their debts.

    Debts Anonymous -- 26/09/09 (in reply to #320332596)

    I haven't and found out I am no longer needed. I am surplus by end of October and will be bankrupt in time for Christmas...my daughter will enjoy the festive season this year NOT.
    And all so Mark Turd can earn another obscene bonus and destroy EDS

    Totally Agree JG -- 24/09/09

    I don't always agree with your commentary pieces Renai, but on this i think you have hit the nail right on the head. I'm effectively a competitor of EDS, and my immediate reaction this morning was one of suprise and delight. Delight because the dropping of the EDS name will only help all the other outsourcers in the market.
    As you said, the EDS name is synonymous with outsourcing. HP? They make printers right?
    I've been waiting for HP to destroy EDS ever since the initial purchase was announced. While the mix of the dominant hardware supplier and the dominant services supplier make perfect sense at the boardroom level (particulary with the industry's shift towards cloud and SaaS) in reality the cultural differences make the combination unworkable. HP never did understand services, they tried to break into the market prior to the aquisition of EDS and failed dismally.
    Sure, some of their services are great. I'm more than happy to let the rack and stack my servers when i buy them, hell i'll even let them put an OS on it. But no way would i let them do much more. While i'm not disparaging their engineering talent, the supporting organisation just does not get services at all. And this is the most important element in a successfull outsource and PS organisation - the flexibility and dynamic management that can provide customers what they actually want.

    Anyway thanks HP. You've just made my job much easier

    Same page. Anonymous -- 29/09/09 (in reply to #320332694)

    Tottally concur - nice one.

    EDS Anonymous -- 25/09/09

    I don't blame HP. Their action was predicatable from the moment Rittenmeyer persuaded the Board to sell. We all saw what happened to Compaq...
    If HP succeed it will be because enough employees stay true to the principles EDS taught them regardless of title or branding... thats what competitors like JG need to worry about.

    Renai LeMay has no idea Anonymous -- 25/09/09

    I disagree with Renai totally. I felt this article is not fair and fail to evaluate things from all perspectives.

    The competence of EDS employee is highly inflated and EDS employees have shown little respect to their fellow HP colleauges over the last year.

    In fact, the name change should have come sooner.

    If EDS was as good as Renai expected, then why weren't they making money? Why weren't they the one buying off other companies? EDS employees should be grateful that HP bought them out, so most of them would still have a job, rather than ALL of them have NO job.

    EDS Renai LeMay -- 25/09/09 (in reply to #320334881)

    I'm not saying EDS is known for its amazing service :) Far from it!

    However, it certainly has a much, much stronger brand in the IT services market, and I still think there is a strong argument to be made that HP has demonstrated a lack of understanding of the asset that it bought.

    Cheers,

    Renai
    News Editor
    ZDNet.com.au

    Looking past the HP spin Anonymous -- 25/09/09 (in reply to #320334881)

    EDS was making money, as can be seen by the fact that it is the best performing part of the HP empire and continues to grow its business

    Contrary to HP spin, EDS had annuity business that would have sustained it, i.e EDS gets money every month for the services delivered, enough to pay the bills without the additional growth it continues to achieve worldwide

    Destroying the EDS brand destroys the sustainability of the business and only further re-inforces that product companies do not understand the services business

    You are so full of it... Anonymous -- 01/10/09 (in reply to #320334881)

    I do blame EDS' board for all this because it started when they (greedy AHs & bitches) brought in Dick Brown (first non EDSer) to run the company....then Michael Jordan, then Rittenmeyer. All three of them never knew what it was like to be an "EDSer" and thus never understood the culture. EDS was a great place to work...can't say the same for HP...and Hurd is a brown dick.

    How soon we forget Jock -- 25/09/09

    Haven't most people spent the last decade bagging EDS for screwing up projects?! Let's not get caught up with turning them into heroes just so we can whale on HP.

    More HP negative impacts to EDS Anonymous -- 25/09/09

    I am addressing this response to anonymous that criticised EDS.
    You may be an original HP employee but I never respected your managements.

    EDS was sold to HP because of Rittenmeyer's greediness as one of the major shareholders. In fact, EDS wass more stable on balance sheets than HP was. it had less debt too.

    U have no idea what HP had done to EDS on day one. It had demoralised the moral of many EDS employees. I was glad that I left EDS. In fact, it gave me new life and opportunity.

    Only idiot EDS still work with HP. Believe me my friend that many eds employees are trying to find jobs somewhere else. No other worst work place that I could think other than HP.
    HP - Horrible Place

    Poor journalism Anonymous -- 25/09/09

    I think the EDS brand indeed carries more clout in the IT services market than HP.
    The rest of the article seems just to vent a lot of personal frustration about hurt national pride, but provides no real fact based backing for it's arguments.

    EDS again Anonymous -- 26/09/09

    Y'know its hard to be Objective but EDS already had solid plans in place for a massive shift of its employee base to "best-shore" before Rittenmeyer approached Mark Hurd.
    Draw your own conclusions...

    BACK TO THE FUTURE Anonymous -- 26/09/09

    HP now look and act like IBM did in the late 80's and early 90's.

    Lets wait and see how long it is before the market starts moving away from them.

    Reap what they sow Anonymous -- 27/09/09

    Outsourcers will reap what they sow from both customers and employees. There is not a chance in hell I will EVER work for an outsourcer ever again.

    EDS brand Anonymous -- 29/09/09

    I am a marketer and I do not like your opening sentence, I think you will find that would be more corporate communications and PR - but hey it is your article and why nor bash some marketers while your having a broad brush swipe at a whole profession.

    However, in regards to you comments about the EDS brand, this will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in marketing and brand equity write off ever seen in IT/Pro Serv. It is a massive mistake... Compaq anyone?

    This really will dilute a business which has been known for Pro-serv with the best of the rest. Maybe not the best of the best but a true stayer and player. It is amazing to think that this IT services which emerged from GM has been killed off by an IT brand!

    Surely, HP must have lost the plot. Would Carly have allowed this?

    I am amazed, what a massive mistake.

    I agree as well.. Anonymous -- 29/09/09

    I'm an ex-HP employee of 20+ years service, with many of those in Managed Services. I agree that it's a questionable move to remove the EDS name given the long history of Services delivery. I believe this was probably done to help bring the people of the two organisations together as one, rather than prolong the "I'm and EDS-er, you're an HP-er" mentality. I dont believe it will necessarily impact the quality of service, in fact I beleive the HP/EDS management is committed to improving the overall levels of service and meeting commitments to customers. It does however create the opportunity for customers to reconsider their next renewal or outsourcing decision - so the new team will have to work hard to prove that the combination is a good result for custoemrs, shareholders and employees. I also dont but the notion that this means HP/EDS will only manage HP equipment, that's never been the case in HP's history.

    Good For Fujitsu Anonymous -- 29/09/09

    With Fujitsu purchase of KAZ from Telstra, they are well positioned to win former EDS contracts when they are up for renewal.
    Some KAZ employees resigned or were made redundant around a year ago to work for EDS on the Comm Bank account, hopefully they will be able to continue on that account.

    No doubt Anonymous -- 01/10/09

    Several comments made and the main article simply demand response.
    First up - the new combined HP not wanting to admin any equipment other than their own? Count on it. IBM does it, HP will do it - the dinosaurs in the ivory towers can't see beyond their own greed to see that sometimes their products suck.
    Next - eliminating the EDS brand is a massive mistake. The intangibles and brand recognition alone help support the balance sheet. Only an idiot would dismiss that. We're not talking some fly-by-night company here, we're talking one that at one point in the recent past was #1 in IT services.
    Next one - valuations and profitability, it's much easier to be profitable if you're actually manufacturing something. Not so much if you're not. HP makes printers and desktops and a number of other devices - hell they even make calculators. EDS did nothing but services. Much bigger bankbook due to much larger market created this acquisition. One which HP has mismanaged at every level.
    Lastly - have to agree about the demoralization, the mentality approach (create a single HP versus split brands), and that who knows how deep that axe will fall - one thing we know, the 26,400 is a smokescreen for much bigger slices as we watch HP eviscerate and toss away the remnants of EDS. This is simply a case where the bully wants the toy the kid is playing with and when they have the toy, they play with it their own way.

    Service and Support Anonymous -- 01/10/09

    EDS - Always known by us in the industry as Ever Diminishing Services, Took your money, then over time did less and less, but as I wouldn't touch HP with a ten foot barge pool - HP/EDS are welcome to each other.

    The worst thing that happened to EDS is HP Anonymous -- 03/11/09

    This is a feeling of over 100 employees in my area. HP cheated EDS Employees, lied, asked EDS managers to hide truth, made them work for 16 - 18 hours a day and finally try to give as short a notice to lay them off so that they can maximize their profits. Its always better to be unemployed than screw your life joining HP. This is not a personal opinion, an opinion a 100+ workforce made in a meeting.

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