Election rant 2: NBN Co wrath

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David Braue

A view from the trenches of Australian telecommunications. As the name implies, it’s a two-way conversation and we ask you not to pull any punches ... we won’t.

They say you should love the sinner and hate the sin, but Shadow Minister for Finance and Debt Reduction Andrew Robb seemed to hate just about everybody as he fronted the media with Tony Smith to announce the Coalition's long-awaited broadband policy.

Andrew Robb

Shadow Minister for Finance and Debt Reduction Andrew Robb is biting the "talentless" hands that will feed his party, before it has even been elected. (Credit: YouTube)

With a few acerbic, ill-considered comments he not only disparaged the careers and capabilities of the hundreds of people who are working hard to deliver the fibre NBN revolution, he also threatened to bring the Coalition's own broadband plan crashing down around his ears by creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that may just come true.

Robb, you may recall, was the grumpy old Luddite who stood next to Smith in Toby Abbott's absence, arguing the Coalition's case for fiscal responsibility while ignoring questions about Abbott — and cutting off journalists when things got even a little bit heated, such as when one journalist mentioned the word "costings". Suddenly Tony Smith had to leave, Robb said, but both managed to stick around for many minutes' more worth of questions once the topic was changed. (The same thing happened when a journalist questioned the Coalition's reliance on the private sector to build its networks).

In an interesting turn, however, Robb, who also happens to chair the Liberal Party's Policy Development Committee, decided the press conference was an ideal time to launch a personal attack on NBN Co's team of hard-working engineers. Labelling the company "the usual stodgy, massive, bureaucratic, government-owned monopoly", he boldly proclaimed that the organisation was filled with "talentless" staff and would not attract "highly skilled, highly innovative, highly specialised talents ... these people value being part of an entrepreneurial creative industry and that is what we will seek to promote".

The mind boggles. Robb may have thought he was attacking a Labor party machine, but what he clearly had not considered was that he was actually taking on the same people his party will have to rely on to deliver the Coalition's own broadband vision. The party's own policy depends on it, right there in black and white (PDF): "By drawing on selected personnel and resources of the current NBN Co and telecommunications regulators such as ACMA and the ACCC ... it will take full advantage of the work done and expertise held by NBN Co ... its management will be required to prepare a new business plan for approval by the minister."

Robb seems to feel these technically minded types would not be attracted to building a world-class, nationwide fibre network ... but would stick around for an inevitable staff cull by the Liberals, followed by a mandate that they throw out their work to date and focus on building a significantly poorer, slower and less capable network. This is the equivalent of buying Google, firing half the staff and forcing them to write spam emails for a living.

Excuse me for a moment. Robb seems to feel these technically minded types would not be attracted to building a world-class, nationwide fibre network like they are already doing now, but that they would stick around for an inevitable staff cull by the Liberals, followed by a mandate that they throw out their work to date and focus on building a significantly poorer, slower and less capable network. This is the equivalent of buying Google, firing half the staff and forcing them to write spam emails for a living.

If Robb thought he was speaking sense, he should be ashamed of himself; he has let himself and his party sorely down by spelling out exactly the contempt with which he views all of them. Not only that, but if Robb had bothered to look beyond his own callous rhetoric, he would realise that NBN Co is currently home to pretty much the largest collection of telecommunications brains in the country.

I know this because I recently spent an inordinate amount of time learning about these people and their qualifications; the results are collated in our NBN Co files and do, if I may say so, make for interesting reading.

After all, the company is headed by a robust and rational Mike Quigley, who had a distinguished career at one of the world's largest telecommunications providers and took on the NBN Co appointment as an intellectual challenge more than out of any financial need. Steve Christian, head of network operations, ran Optus' networks business for years.

CTO Gary McLaren is a lawyer and engineer who headed the communications industry's engagement with NBN Co. CIO Claire Rawlins served as chief operating officer with major US telco Qwest. Jim Hassell, head of product development and sales director, ran major IT vendor Sun Microsystems for years. CFO Jean-Pascal Beaufret spent years managing France's entire tax system, for goodness' sake.

These are not lightweights by any sense of the word. In fact, NBN Co's senior executives have hundreds of years in senior positions at many of the world's leading telecommunications carriers and providers. These people know their technology, their regulation, their law more than just about anybody in the world — and I'd put my money on many of them against Robb in a financial battle of wits, too.

If Robb had bothered to look beyond his own callous rhetoric, he would realise that NBN Co is currently home to pretty much the largest collection of telecommunications brains in the country... Many of them interrupted perfectly excellent, rewarding careers to take up the challenge that NBN Co provided. Make no mistake about it: NBN Co is Australia's own Manhattan Project.

Even the NBN Co rank-and-file is mostly comprised of bright sparks — the people who have designed and run the fixed and mobile networks of Optus, Vodafone, Three and others over the past 20 years or so. Many of them interrupted perfectly excellent, rewarding careers to take up the challenge that NBN Co provided. Make no mistake about it: NBN Co is Australia's own Manhattan Project.

Robb's conclusion that these people are anything but "highly skilled, highly innovative, highly specialised talents" shows the depth of his ignorance — not only of NBN Co, but of his party's own policies. Given that he heads the committee that authors these policies, he should really resign from that position in disgrace; to front the media at the launch of a major policy, then show such utter disregard for the contents of that policy and the people it affects, is simply inexcusable.

He will not, of course, resign, but if this sort of angry diatribe indicates the Coalition's position towards NBN Co and reflects its communications philosophy, we cannot but question Robb's judgement and the fundamental premise of the party's policy.

We must also wonder exactly what would happen, should the Coalition win and show up at NBN Co's doorstep for a bout of team building. I cannot speak for Mike Quigley, of course, but if I were in his position, doing a job for free because I loved it, then being re-tasked to execute such a mind-bogglingly ordinary policy, I would be the first one out the door. I suspect he has better things to do than to waste his time building a retrograde, poorly-specified network with a shoestring budget and a derisive administrative philosophy that has already labelled its staff as incapable bludgers.

One suspects many others would also take a Coalition victory as their sign to find a more interesting challenge against which to apply themselves. This would certainly fulfil the Coalition's vision of a more streamlined NBN Co, but it would also ensure what I can only imagine would be a defeated culture of frustrated ex-innovators beaten down by a bureaucracy as stodgy and massive as anything Robb could have ever imagined.

This is the second in a series of election rants, one for each of the deadly sins and each of the seven days that are remaining until the election. The first was entitled "wireless greed". Renai LeMay plays the devil's advocate.

Talkback

" Make no mistake about it: NBN Co is Australia's own Manhattan Project."

Hey that's really funny, you are joking of course, hey hang on a sec you're not it is repeated in the highlight box on the right hand side - sorry it's still really funny it has to be satire, "Australia's own Manhattan Project" - LOL.

advocateadvocate August 13th, 2010
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We do have some physics purists in the audience -- wonderful! Fair enough -- if the comparison with the Manhattan Project offends anybody's sensibilities, let's call NBN Co the government's own Ocean's 11. The point is that these are talented people, brought together to leverage their strengths to deliver a significant and world-changing outcome. Anybody who has sat in on one of NBN Co's technical briefings would find it hard to argue with that.

I might also mention that, in the same appearance in which he stood up and slandered the people of NBN Co, Andrew Robb also had to apologise for misplacing a decimal point in one of the financial-related press releases he had just released. http://bit.ly/cVSFEj. You know, just sayin'.

brauebraue August 14th, 2010
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Nothing to do with 'physics purists in the audience' or even placing a new label of 'the Governments Ocean 11' on them - what is it about journalists and their obsession with emotive based labeling and categorizing to help beat up some mundane subject matter or a sound bite, but I digress.

Fibre to the home is nothing new certain countries overseas have had it for years, the like of Telstra, Optus, PipeNetworks, Uecomm (now Optus owned), TransAct and others have been laying fibre across Australia for years.

From memory when Fibre to the Node was originally mooted Telstra stated that virtually all their main exchange areas were already fibered up both before the exchange and backhaul out of the exchanges and it would not have taken them long to offer a Fibre to the node product to the market, there is just not just copper in the Telstra ducts all over Australia.

The companies involved with the laying of fibre and the associated switching networks for the NBN Co are all internationally based communication companies with vast experience overseas implementing such infrastructure on a large scale with whom the NBNCo just out source to do the job.

The reality check is as you well know is that this particular multi billion dollar project is politically based rather than technically based, when the FTTN tender (which after all is what Rudd & Conroy went into the last election with as their internet election platform and it was what the voters voted for!) farce fell on its face and the Labor Government desperately needed a face saver the NBN $43 billion rabbit was magically pulled out of the hat, sorry voters and FTTN tender applicants we just moved the goal posts about 5000 meters to new football ground.

The technical bit is trivial and the easy bit in the scale of obstacles the NBN rollout faces!

'Governments Oceans 11' - you satire is hilarious - it is satire I hope?

:)

advocateadvocate August 16th, 2010
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"Fibre to the home is nothing new certain countries overseas have had it for years, the like of Telstra, Optus, PipeNetworks, Uecomm (now Optus owned), TransAct and others have been laying fibre across Australia for years."

And yet, none of those companies bothered laying fibre to peoples homes (except in extremely limited "test" areas), just for their own backbones.

I live in the 6th largest city in Australia, and the only reason I have decent broadband is because I have cable (which was more luck than good planning on Telstra's part, as they dumped their cable rollout after laying it in limited areas).

I like the NBN cause I'll finaly have a real choice in who I can get broadband from. And many other Aussies are in the same boat as me (or worse) thanks to the companies you mentioned only being interested in "investing" where the bucks are. The NBN will go to _everyone_, so yes, the NBN IS a "big thing".

tinman_autinman_au August 17th, 2010
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"have cable (which was more luck than good planning on Telstra's part, as they dumped their cable rollout after laying it in limited areas)."

The reason Telstra and Optus stopped their rollout is that they were losing money on it, and that's including pay TV into the infrastucture capability.

The NBN will also bleed millions - but that's ok.

"I like the NBN cause I'll finaly have a real choice in who I can get broadband from."

Well you don't actually, if you want fixed line BB it's NBN or nothing, that's not choice, hang on a sec it's just like today with the Telstra infrastructure overseen by the ACCC just like the NBN will be!

They should have called the NBN Co the PMG, we could have repeated history and started all over again.

1. Full public ownership.
2. Partial public/private ownership
3. 1000% private ownership

PMG/Telecom/Telstra Mark 2 anyone?

advocateadvocate August 17th, 2010
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Umm, Telstra and Optus both lost money (Optus about $1.bI believe and Telstra about $1b) simply because the process was sabotaged by Telstra.

Optus chose to build in areas where Telstra were underservicing. But as soon as Optus started their roll out, Telstra intentionally did like wise in the same area. It was claimed, somtimes, even in the very same street.

Telstra's sole intention was to put Optus' roll out, ouf of business at any cost and it succeeded...because that's the sort of guys they are (well were, benefit to Thodey).

So that scenario is not even vaguely similar to the NBN...!

As for the NBN being the new Telstra, not if it's wholesale only. So again your FUD equates to ...0

1000% eh, LOL...?

RSRS August 17th, 2010
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"Optus chose to build in areas where Telstra were underservicing"

You mean Optus hoped they would be left alone and be the only fixed line provider of pay TV and cable broadband and make a killing.

"Telstra's sole intention was to put Optus' roll out, ouf of business at any cost and it succeeded.."

Hello - it's called competition, obviously Optus didn't like having a Pay TV cable BB competitor- sorry that's not how the 'free market' and competition works.
I am sure all the mobile phone operators would wish they had no competition either.

"So that scenario is not even vaguely similar to the NBN...!"

Well they are both were and still are fixed line alternatives to the Telstra copper/exchange link and they both will/are bleed millions - the comparison is spot on.

"As for the NBN being the new Telstra, not if it's wholesale only.'

But a monopoly is a monopoly, putting the words NBN in front of it changes nothing, and it gets even better, the 'company' that owns the NBN also owns the communications regulator and controls the legislation that the regulator operates under - it doesn't come much better than that eh?

"1000% eh, LOL...?"

Cheap shot time I see, this posting system doesn't allow you to edit mistakes after you have posted, it should be 100% (but you know that), but hey we can all do that if you think it counts.

ouf eh, LOL...?

advocateadvocate August 17th, 2010
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Apologies for the 1000%, thought you meant it and was being a smart **se...

No it wasn't competition at all, because as soon as Optus decided to invest in places places Telstra weren't interested in, all of a sudden Telstra were interested...When Optus decided they couldn't afford to keep doing this because of Telstra's tactics, magically Telstra changed their tune too and discontinued soon after, too.

This is not competitiveness, it's anti-competitiveness and something frowned upon. It was the 800lb gorilla flexing it's muscles and nothing else...something not welcomed in civilised society.

Thing is you supported Telstra rather than the Australian consumer who would have benefitted from Optus' investment... and were probably one of those who, after Telstra received their freebie PSTN, expected others like Optus to invest?

But if you believe that was ok, then you'd agree that "competition" to Telstra from the NBN, who can do to Telstra, as Telstra did to Optus is fair too then?

The Australian people will own the NBN. The Company who runs the NBN is NBN Co. Neither own nor run the ACCC. Also a retailer who doesn't wholesale too, cuts out the inequalities we have had for the last 18 years with Telstra...

LOL again...!

Probably best to forget your stake in Telstra before coming here to regurgitate disproved NWAT rhetoric...!

RSRS August 17th, 2010
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...When Optus decided they couldn't afford to keep doing this because of Telstra's tactics, magically Telstra changed their tune too and discontinued soon after, too.

SingTel is a bigger company than Telstra and they couldn't afford it eh?- they both discontinued because it wasn't paying its way, why extend the rollout and lose even more money?

"and were probably one of those who, after Telstra received their freebie PSTN, expected others like Optus to invest?"

No, and Telstra didn't get a freebie PSTN.

"The Australian people will own the NBN."

Oh I see, so you have got your NBN Co share certificate then have you, what does it say, especially the bit about when you will get your first dividend? :)l

"The Company who runs the NBN is NBN Co."

Owned by the Australian Government and whose staff all the way to the CEO is paid for by the Australian Government, it is a public service, just like the ACCC.

"Also a retailer who doesn't wholesale too,"

Get it right, you mean a wholesaler that doesn't retail too, it's still a FTTH infrastructure monopoly.

"Probably best to forget your stake in Telstra"

I don't have a stake in Telstra.

advocateadvocate August 17th, 2010
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Robert Oppenheimer, Ed Teller, Enrico Fermi et al. These men were giants in the world of Physics. Andrew Robb was wrong to insult the NBN staff but your over the top comparison to the Manhattan Project not only embarrasses you but them as well.

Lets face it, far more intellectual property resides in the equipment the NBN Co will be installing - pretty much all of it designed and manufactured overseas if I'm not mistaken.

SENSEN August 13th, 2010
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What nongs are the tech heads that want to spend aprx $2000 per person to supply the broadband, absolute craziness especially with Labor record of waste. Most people will not be using it because of the cost, what a wate of money. I can get faster internet now but am not going to update to a faster plan because of the cost.

rntechrntech August 13th, 2010
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That's not true, you have been fed false information.

Firstly, you don't have a choice to use it or not as the old copper will be ripped up and deactivated.

Secondly, fiber plans operating in Tasmania at current start at ZERO DOLLARS PER MONTH. You get charged $2/GB it runs at 1 Mbit/s above the THEORETICAL MAXIMUM speed of ADSL2+ - IE: absolute best you can get on copper at current, let alone the average.

It also has home phone for, you guessed it, $0 per month, you get charged for your calls only.

Are you getting cheaper than $2/month for 25Mbps internet with home phone included? If so, please point to me where.

There will ofcourse be cheaper high usage plans, 240GB for $99 is being offered and will probably be even cheaper when ISP's the likes of TPG get on board (TPG don't have a presense in Tas at current, so have not released NBN plans)

Please stop saying the NBN will cost customers more. If it did, nearly all the ISP's would not be rejoicing over the NBN.

DuidekaDuideka August 14th, 2010
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The only reason the NBN Tasmania pilot looks cheap is that the taxpayer is subsidising the actual cost, 'zero dollars per month' it doesn't come wrapped up as a gift with a big red ribbon better than that, best not charge the Tasmanian pilot customers a reasonable fee based on the current industry standards otherwise no one would be interested.

The ISP's are rejoicing over the NBN because they don't have to pay the NBNCo what it actually costs based on industry standards of a commercially viable ROI, it is based on the taxpayer funded sinkhole principle where there more it loses the more taxpayer funds are pumped in so the Labor Government doesn't lose face.

ISP's couldn't give a stuff if the NBN rollout bleeds millions, they make their margin regardless thank you very much.

advocateadvocate August 14th, 2010
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The tax payer is subsidising building the network, not the monthly costs.

DuidekaDuideka August 14th, 2010
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Hang on the build costs is not a subsidy, the taxpayer is paying all of it, a subsidy implies someone else is helping with the build.

Of course monthly cost is subsidised there is no way a customer would buy a resold NBN plan if its price was actually based on a commercial return on the invested $43 billion dollars based on fixed term break even even point from which it then must make a return of at least 4-5% - you must be joking!

The break even point ( assuming there is one!) on this rollout stretches into infinity and beyond, where names like Rudd, Conroy, Coonan, Howard Gillard and Abbott are just faint distant memories of politicians long gone!

advocateadvocate August 16th, 2010
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I'm with you guys; Lets leave the Telstra monopoly in place and stick with copper wires. Hey they dont rust, anyway I already have Telstra FTTH from when pay tv came in so I'm right Jack.

jkikkertjkikkert August 13th, 2010
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What?

You are talking about HFC Cable and not copper.

You are lucky to have access to that, many don't.

However, Telstra HFC will be removed as the NBN is laid out, as there is no reason to keep a more expensive and inferiour technology in operation.

DuidekaDuideka August 14th, 2010
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The key difference with the HFC rollout is that the taxpayer didn't have to pay for it, it was concentrated in the high population areas of our biggest capital cities and Telstra and Optus STILL lost money on it.

Never mind the $43 billion NBN network won't make any money either, so in reality they are the same.

advocateadvocate August 14th, 2010
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Actually they did.

Telstra got the funds to build the HFC network from the funds generated by the copper network they bought from the government at a reduced cost.

Why do you think it wont make any money?!?

9.1 million people have internet, times that by $10 a month each and that's $91m per month made, a billion per year.....

(right now everyone pays $30 line rental each)

DuidekaDuideka August 14th, 2010
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Adding to that, the reason Optus and Telstra lost money on it was because you had to sell your kidneys to pay for it, until recently it wasnt worth the time of day - even now tho, DSL is still far better value.

DuidekaDuideka August 14th, 2010
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Sorry your post doesn't make any sense.

advocateadvocate August 14th, 2010
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It is no wonder they lost money. The both depolyed their cable in the same streets thus halving their respective markets until their cables are taken to the scrap yard!

Richard UreRichard Ure August 16th, 2010
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Thats cause they only "invest" where the money is, everyone else can use tin cans and string...

tinman_autinman_au August 17th, 2010
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(:p)

jkikkertjkikkert August 14th, 2010
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We have a pioneering project, a willing government and people with vision and talent filling the team tasked with designing implementing it. We should be enthusiastically seizing the moment! What is it with a section of the Australian community who are afraid of progress and seem to be weighted down with tall poppy syndrome? It's just sad.

redroverredrover August 13th, 2010
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"Australia's own Manhattan Project"

I'm nominating you for the Ralph Magazine;**** of the Year" award for 2010. Breathtaking ignorance of three fields - the modern economy, technology and history - displayed in four words.

PhilipCPhilipC August 13th, 2010
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It's all very well being politically correct about the Manhattan Project but it did save many Allied lives.

Richard UreRichard Ure August 16th, 2010
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Agree with nearly all of it - the NBNco staff know their stuff, and claims otherwise are ludacris.

DuidekaDuideka August 14th, 2010
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I heard also they were also working a on a cure for cancer and a solution for global warming.

advocateadvocate August 14th, 2010
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With every comment, advocate, it is clearer and clearer that you are an advocate for nothing more than stupidity, imho...

Please keep 'em coming - you amuse us all, more than even you could imagine...LOL!

RSRS August 16th, 2010
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ahh the only fall back public forum posting strategy, when you have not got anything relevant to say make it personal shoot the messenger and run.

advocateadvocate August 17th, 2010
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No, I have my say... so instead of staying here flapping your gums, look around!

Thing is, instead of being an uneducated, big mouth, who bombards one forum with his stupidity, by taking up approx 1/3 of all the comments, I try to make my comments factual and count.

You ought to try it, even only once!

RSRS August 17th, 2010
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Funnily enough Advocate, your right in a way. With a decent national network, people can cut down on car use, which would cut down on carbon.

And with the remote medical access to equipment/specialists every ones now talking about (and which no one was talking about under Telstra/Optus/et al), while not a "cure for cancer", it's entirely within the realms of possibility that earlier diagnosis will save at least a few lives...

tinman_autinman_au August 17th, 2010
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Best part of the NBN is how it irritates the hell out of coalition nuftys.
Priceless

LungyLungy August 14th, 2010
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It strikes me as highly concerning that no cost benefit analysis has been forthcoming from anywhere in the industry for the NBN. On the face of it the cost to taxpayers and the hideously expensive prices that the consumer will almost certainly face just to use it are guaranteed to to make the NBN a white elephant.
If the NBN staff are so experienced, talented and aware of what they are doing I suggest they prepare a cost benefit analysis ASAP. Unfortunately these tens of billions of debt the ALP is promising for this is a lucrative gravy train for some.

RodCFRodCF August 14th, 2010
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As soon as a cost benefit analysis was prepared, Tony (and no doubt RodCF) would start grumbling about the assumptions. Whatever the cost, it's the annual depreciation that matters. The correct rate for depreciation is probably less then 2%.

Richard UreRichard Ure August 16th, 2010
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Advoate, didn't know the liberals worked on weekends ? This is a Nation building infrastructure like the Snowy and Harbor Bridge. Did they do a business plan for the coat hanger ? NO . Howard had no idea about the inter-google thing and has passed his ideas to the new idiots in the coal alition. the tax from the rich miners would pay for this in about 2-3 years. We had 12 years of doing nothing, china started laying fibre in 2001, its future proof , the fibre once layed, only needs the bits at the ends to be upgraded in the future,as costs come down . Like the 100 to 1000 boxes have become cheaper. This means that no matter how far u are away from the exchange , it will be the same speed, great for the bush and outer suburbs.

Mr.RabbittMr.Rabbitt August 14th, 2010
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"Nation building exercise like the Snowy and the Habour Bridge", that tired old politicians cliche when you cannot justify a project with a proper cost benefit analysis and you want to hide the detail , its labeled 'Nation building', which means the funding is a bottomless pit with no ROI.

Your comparison with the Harbour Bridge is quite appropriate in reality and it didn't cost $43 billion and counting either.

It was opened in 1932 it took until 1998 to pay it off, and it still has tolls on it in 2010 to ensure the private operators of the Harbour Tunnel don't lose money.

advocateadvocate August 17th, 2010
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Fast broadband is a nice feature but I don't need more than 6 Mbit ADSL1 gives me at the moment. This speed fulfils all my needs and would be enough for 90% so claimed benefits of the fibre network. The real problem of Internet here is slow servers and network latency when accessing overseas servers. NBN is just another commercial project so it should not be funded by government and taxpayers money. Why spend money on something that already works? Why not spend 43 billions on health system or public transport? NBN sucks.

itcrowditcrowd August 15th, 2010
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Because it does not work for many people. How long have you been using the Internet? Will it fill your needs in eight years?

Richard UreRichard Ure August 16th, 2010
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That has got to be one of your best/worst headline ideas ever.

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who they hell is voting so much

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50% penalty on Adobe. In my mind justifies using "alternate" sources.

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@ShineLawyers yes, the High Court does not allow tweeting from court room; see @joshgnosis' piece: http://t.co/eJNt1gmu re #iitrial @Duds

Apple, Samsung court ordered mediation fails: http://t.co/tqk6JiJA ^LH

Telstra GameArena hacked, 35K accounts lost http://t.co/tft1aPxH via @zdnetaustralia

To be added to the ToS: 'Furthermore, you agree that we can share your information with our third-party partners and whomever they let ha...

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by http://t.co/vmlLt4bh: CT, phone clone: Craig Thomson says his phone might have been cloned, and that's why it ... http://t.co/5b0X49iN

Twisted Wire today looks at the Craig Thomson affair. CT phone clone http://t.co/XLfsEWnJ

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@forensicdave i'm torn. i did a lol but it's gross and not sure zdnet views need to see that!

The question is not whether DDoS can be achieved or not but whether DDoS originating from compromised computers on a slower network (e.g....

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@jmorrill @dsturnbull Adobe did this a while back.. the flash sandbox - http://t.co/3hNbFUUp

“@zdnetaustralia: Telstra GameArena has been hacked, resulting in 35K accounts being exposed http://t.co/AspW8kHA ^ML” = LOL

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