Does anybody like Norton AntiVirus?

commentary Has anybody had a good experience with Symantec's Norton Antivirus?

Whenever I have written about Symantec's flagship consumer antivirus application, the response from readers is always the same. Hordes of Symantec's customers write in complaining that Norton AntiVirus (NAV) sucks up their system resources, doesn't clean their computer thoroughly and when they finally decide to ditch the program altogether, they first need to download a special un-installation tool from Symantec's Web site.

Readers have also said that Live Update is difficult to configure when not in administrator mode, which is rather ironic because when the user is logged in as an administrator the application's script blocker is vulnerable to attack.

The least Symantec's customers should expect is real protection. Unfortunately, even that very basic requirement seems beyond the company's development teams -- and so the spin doctors and marketers are brought in to try and soften the blow.

In October, when a researcher discovered a security vulnerability in NAV, Symantec initially denied the problem existed, then admitted that there was a problem but played down its severity. Finally the company admitted that NAV was vulnerable to attack and retracted its earlier statements -- which the company admitted were factually incorrect.

So the situation right now is that Norton AntiVirus 2005 - which costs more than AU$90 from Symantec's Web site and is labelled "The world's most trusted antivirus solution" -- can be fooled by a simple script into turning off its auto-protect functionality and leaving the computer at a malicious user's mercy.

Last week, high-level executives from Symantec's US headquarters said that the company was working on strengthening the product's internal defence mechanisms to make it more resilient to such attacks.

However, these improvements are unlikely to be seen until the next version, which will be Norton AntiVirus 2006 and released in six months time.

Meanwhile, Symantec is hoping that a script kiddie will not find the exploit codes -- which have already started circulating around the Web -- and use them to launch an attack.

Mark Kennedy, architect, product delivery and response, said last week that if a virus writer was to use the exploit code and create a worm, the company would have a signature written to protect customers "within hours".

"Anybody that had not been hit by it and had updated their signatures before the worm infected their machine would be fully protected from it," said Kennedy.

What Kennedy failed to point out is that worms can travel around the world in minutes, which doesn't leave much time for Symantec to create the signature or NAV customers to download and install the update.

Vincent Weafer, the senior director of Symantec's Security Response team, said the reason why so many people complain about its product is that the company has such a large user base.

"We are on far more machines than most other people so you are going to get a lot of feedback," said Weafer.

Unless Symantec brings its NAV product up to date, Weafer is unlikely to be able to make the same claim two years from now. There are already a number of antivirus applications on the market, such as Grisoft's AVG, that are free to use and far less demanding of a computer's resources.

If Symantec really wants to reduce the number of people complaining about Norton AntiVirus, it should be improving the product rather than hiring spin doctors to try and cover up its flaws.

Talkback

Symantec was the King in the DOS days, but has become increasingly inferior as each year has rolled on in the Windows relm.
Its resource hungry, slows everything to a snail, major problems with Live Update & Registration for the several years now. Does a poor job in detecting worms. Has caused many a Blue Screen of death in the early days of Win 95 - 98 & XP.
Its cumbersome to use & has continual glitches, the amount of wasted man hours I have lost due to this buggy software is unacceptable.
I would NOT go back to it if they paid me, Norman Antivirus & Firewall (NIC) are far superior I have not had a problem with NIC in the 2 years I have been using NIC.
Recommend Norman to anyone who wants a rock solid piece of software to do what its suppose to do - Protect you.

bruce18bruce18 November 16th, 2004
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no probs here

dburb007dburb007 November 16th, 2004
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As an IT professional I can honestly say that I believe I have un-installed NAV more times than I have installed it. My customers typically pay for the product and install it and then find that either their computer grinds to a halt or that their computer gets infected with a virus even though the virus data files are up to date. I have not been able to recommend NAV to my customers for more than 3 years as I am liable for recommendations I make. I do not believe my professional indemnity insurance would cover me if I was sued for recommending NAV to a customer!

crodgers1crodgers1 November 16th, 2004
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I liked the article as it rang true with my experience of Symantec's post DOS NAV offerings.

Certainly, I'll agree Munir is one sided here (no prize for guessing for or against!) however, you only have to read this paragraph, "Whenever I have written about Symantec’s flagship consumer antivirus application, the response from readers is always the same. Hordes of Symantec's customers write in complaining..." to see why portraying the product thus is the logical conclusion.

I will add that I definitely believe that NAV isn't such a big seller because of its quality - which Symantec would indicate is the case. At least not anymore. Like another commenter, I agree NAV was simply the best in the DOS-95 days, with a small foot print and an extensive virus dictionary. Of course, for average Joe, the Net wasn't such a big deal back then and as such, nor was email. Nav just had to protect against floppy-borne virii, for the most part.

Nowadays, I see Nav's popularity being attributed to uptake by beginners and more than likely because their new machines and motherboards come bundled with the software, albeit with a 3 month trial period. It gets installed,is left installed and again, average Joe plods on and blames 'too many pictures on my hard disk' as the likely culprit for a lagging system.

To support this conclusion: I worked for an ISP as a technical supervisor a few years back and the amount of calls we got where email connectivity had mysteriously disappeared due to NAV was quite amazing. The usual fix was to reinstall/repair NAV should re-entry of mail server setting (to be picked up by nav and replaced by localhost redirectors) fail. Not what you'd expect from a mature product.

Luckily, I left the ISP just as Symantec Internet Security was coming in (in a big way) but I still dealt with a few customers who were privileged enough to have the product spontaneously block WEB, or worse, DNS traffic for no good reason and weren't able to be helped by our junior techs.

Unfortunately, a few colleagues at my current job run the IS package and I have had to correct these faults in 2004 versions of the software.

Ultimately, I abandoned thinking of NAV as an adequate package when I found a copy of 2003 (may have been 02) cheap at a local store (before the time of AVG) and got it for a friend who had no protection at all. After installing it, it would try anywhere between 5-15 times to establish a dialup connection upon booting windows. I attempted to look for check boxes to correct the fault and found none so headed for the US Symantec help boards. The problem was active over numerous threads but Symantec was adamant it did not exist. One user had found a solution that worked in some versions of windows and thankfully it worked for us but it was the nail in the coffin for Nav and sums up Symantec's current attitude of not wanting to know about it until they're good and ready.

In the article, this paragraph demonstrates that Symantec’s finger has well and truly fell from the pulse: "What Kennedy failed to point out is that worms can travel around the world in minutes, which doesn’t leave much time for Symantec to create the signature or NAV customers to download and install the update."

We only have to look at MyDoom to see how many machines would not boot, let alone connect with a hosed Winsock to allow an update to see that this rebuttal was frightfully accurate!

I certainly don't hate Symantec and I don't mistrust their product - it's just that I know it's not as good as other offerings nor is the support - home product-wise anyway.

Before I go, did anyone else receive this in the ZD newsletter interspersed with Symantec Adds?! :) I guess there is no such thing as bad publicity.

matt23matt23 November 17th, 2004
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Does anybody know how Anti-Virus works?

Come on folks and gurus, please get with the program.

You do not have any level of protection for new viruses, until it has infected one of you, whether you like it or not.

How do you think Anti-Virus vendors write a new virus definition? Out of thin air?

If the virus has not infected anyone already using NAV, how would SYMANTEC know it even existed? They read ZDNET to find out;)

Do SYMANTEC's competition, eg Trend or Sophos actually share their definitions if they beat them to the punch? Not very likely.

The flaw means the potential risk has risen on finding new viruses in NAV. Yes the probability of any individual pc getting a virus is low - unless oyu talk to those who have lost data and downtime.

Better knowledge is attainable. Personal opinions are great too.

Now, do we have any comments from the ACCC on retailing the product, with this flaw?

roger19roger19 November 19th, 2004
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Does anybody know how Anti-Virus works?

Come on folks and gurus, please get with the program.

You do not have any level of protection for new viruses, until it has infected one of you, whether you like it or not.

How do you think Anti-Virus vendors write a new virus definition? Out of thin air?

If the virus has not infected anyone already using NAV, how would SYMANTEC know it even existed? They read ZDNET to find out;)

Do SYMANTEC's competition, eg Trend or Sophos actually share their definitions if they beat them to the punch? Not very likely.

The flaw means the potential risk has risen on finding new viruses in NAV. Yes the probability of any individual pc getting a virus is low - unless oyu talk to those who have lost data and downtime.

Better knowledge is attainable. Personal opinions are great too.

Now, do we have any comments from the ACCC on retailing the product, with this flaw?

roger19roger19 November 19th, 2004
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it seems that many things have been said to make norton ridiculed well tell me what would you do without them any other anti virus program can easy as 1 2 3 be over written try over writing norton infact i chalange any pc user to show a better product i also had doubts about nav however it only came from there rivals in the market who else would bother to me and i say this with all real knowledge of virus script no other anti v can give you the protection of nav all the other competion say this and that well lets see stop the crap of tall poppy and use your brains not one single company even comes close

marktoursmarktours December 20th, 2004
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