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What can we do with 100Mbps?

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Australia is hurtling slowly towards one of the fastest broadband networks in the world, but what are we going to do with it?

This week we look at the sorts of applications we might use on this new network, and how will that impact what the government builds. It's the first part of our wish-list for the new NBN.

  • Macquarie Telecom's MD for hosting Aiden Tudehope says the new services can be put into two categories.
  • Telstra chief technology officer Hugh Bradlow says, in part, speed is needed to meet multiple users in each home.
  • TransAct's Tony Allen talks about adoption of video on their existing high speed network.
  • MyNetFone CEO Andy Fung talks about the future for VoIP to the home.
  • Telecommunications consultant Gina Mihalofska says the government needs to fully consider the systems needed to support the provision of access to the network and applications
  • Livewire CEO Omar Khalifa suggests that some of the access should be free to customers.

Want to contribute? Listen for the phone number at the end of this episode to see how you can add to our list of requirements for the new NBN and the applications it enables.

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Talkback 28 comments

    Nation Building uses for the NBN Glenn Irvine -- 23/04/09

    I posted 9 reasons why Australians should embrace the NBN in my "Collaborative View" Blog yesterday.

    Details here: www.collaborativeview.com

    Cost to the public Anonymous -- 23/04/09 (in reply to #320131220)

    This new high speed broadband will be great BUT what will it cost the average user ? Many internet users are on low incomes and cannot afford to pay around $100 per month ( as has been suggested ).

    I, for one, do not need and cannot afford to pay more than the $39 per month that I am presently paying. Let's hope there will be a low cost option for pensioners and low income people.

    This network more than just internet! RL -- 24/04/09 (in reply to #320131298)

    I currently pay more than $100 a month for pay TV, about $50 a month for phone line rental (?) and $70 a month for Internet. That's about $210 a month in total.

    This new fibre network can provide me with all these services as well as High Definition Video Calling/Conferencing and IPTV. I'd be more than happy to pay around $100-$150 a month for all of this combined. I'd be saving $60 a month!

    IPTV & Highspeed broadband Anonymous -- 24/04/09 (in reply to #320131402)

    Hi RL - reply to your message above i have ADSL2+ 24Mbps & can do huge of stuff i not only watch live stream IPTV but heaps other things which normal ADSL1 couldnt not by having 100MBPS would be even plus as then IPTV can now move to HD quality streams, video conferencing. Yes if you visit www.worldondemand.net its of provider whom i was with have such multicultural channels with full package deal with broadband unlimited (for IPTV viewing) & like 20GB surfing with speeds of ADSL2+ that would reduce your pay tv & ISP same time....i dont make much calls due to my mobile plan...so use naked ADSL with no landline...Iinet & TPG have great deals...

    South Koreans pay $25 a month HD CHA -- 05/06/09 (in reply to #320131298)

    For 100 Mbps fiber optic(Yes I download 4GB DVD in few minutes) connection with unlimited download with internet phone(Not different from normal phone) I pay internet company 25 dollars a month. I can down-grade it to 10Mbps ASDL line which will only charge me 20 dollars a month but once you have a taste of 100 Mbps, you never wanna go back. Now I don't pay for cables, I can just watch whatever TV program I want from korean internet site for free. I can get health advice from medical doctors on the net during office hour for free. Internet phones are 10 times cheaper than just phones not only the international calls but local calls as well. Mobile phone message texting is also free if you write it from the net. When government say they'll provide you with the technology you should definately agree. It made my life much less boring. lol.

    what to do.. Anonymous -- 23/04/09

    mmmm..... play lots of WAN Doom?

    ? Anonymous -- 24/04/09 (in reply to #320131234)

    so would this still be classified as a WAN or a LAN or maybe a WLAN........

    MAN? Anonymous -- 27/04/09 (in reply to #320131588)

    MAN metropolitan area network?
    I know it was a rehtorical question, but I'm a boffin.
    What it is would have to be defined would have to depend on if it was controlled under one address space or routing domain.
    I'd guess internet or WAN.

    A lot of so-called "third world" nations do privide cheap unlimited internet pla Anonymous -- 23/04/09

    Australians on the other hand are still paying more than $50 /month for an internet plan with provide us something like 25 GB bandwidth limit in return.

    What's the point of having a very fast internet connection then?

    What do we do? Anonymous -- 24/04/09

    Download the internet, of course!

    Your House your Castle Anonymous -- 24/04/09

    Can you imagine.
    Watching The World channels on your TV either on: The living room couch, your bedroom or the kitchen all fast.

    - login from a mobile service to see your video security in the house, or login to see your tv programing or tv programs very smoothly without delays in the image.

    The ability to work from home and deliver all work no matter how large to work without going to your HQ very fast no matter where u are in Australia.... Let your immagination run wild after that..../

    FTTH all the way. Mel Sommersberg -- 24/04/09

    I've always supported the idea of FTTH. Let's build it and then worry about pricing per GB. There are three things that will govern pricing:

    1. The wholesale network's independence from Telstra.
    2. Real competition, not only on the new network but between the new network and the copper network.
    3. The market's ability and willingness to pay a given price.

    Remember back to when Bigpond and Optus were trialling cable? 100MB (yes MEGAbytes) per month for something like $50 and a cable modem for an extra $600-$700. Both companies woke up to themselves once they had to try and sell the product.

    ftth Anonymous -- 24/04/09 (in reply to #320131572)

    yeh, ftth all the way. nice work rudd.

    World connection Anonymous -- 24/04/09 (in reply to #320131597)

    My question is, what are the plans to increase the amount of bandwidth in & out of Australia, particularly to North America (given so much is hosted there, particuarly Englsh-language content)?
    It'll be nice to have 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s to my home, but it won't be any faster than now if everytime I want anything that's not in Australia we have to use the same pipes as now - in fact it'd be a lot slower.

    I agree that the price needs to be kept low. I think a subsidised entry plan will be needed for poor households (they mustn't be left behind).
    Perhaps subsidised pricing for all residential and small business users for the first 5 years (with stepped price increases to realistic levels after that), that way the NBN takeup would really be fast, and as such the point-in-time when the continued operation (and maintenance, upgrades, etc.) of the NBN actually becomes financially sustainable.
    I am happy for some of that estimated taxpayers money to go towards this critical national infrastructure for the future.

    We mustn't end up with a taxpayer-built NBN that only the rich can afford to benefit from.

    ~ Mel Sommersberg -- 24/04/09 (in reply to #320131609)

    1. There are more cables being laid, including one from Sydney to Guam, ultimately reaching the US. This will provide at least some of any extra bandwidth that will be needed.

    2. Yes a lot of content is hosted in the US but not all of it is. It depends a great deal on what you are looking for and who you are getting it from.

    "We mustn't end up with a taxpayer-built NBN that only the rich can afford to benefit from."

    This is a concern shared by many and is probably valid. It's a shame our illustrious Prime Minister has been completely devoid of any response to this as he would currently be in the best position to re-assure us.

    Well there's always Conroy's proxies Anonymous -- 27/04/09 (in reply to #320131672)

    Well just put a proxy at the national border and all the ISPs can be children of it.
    Turn on caching and Bob's your parent's brother.

    Yeah yeah, I know static content makes bugger all traffic these days

    But it would make Stevie happy.

    100mbps is way too slow Anonymous -- 25/04/09

    Docsis 3.0 cable modems are already doing over 300mbps. Why are we setting the bar so low?

    anon's right! dance kirby dance -- 28/04/09 (in reply to #320132029)

    I need internet so fast it sets my eyes on fire, 200ms for my webpage is to long!

    anon... if we give everyone 300Mbps at there door then imagine the size of the backbone were gonna need... and its fibreoptic anyways, it'll be simple to upgrade the equipment on both ends when 300Mbps is actually needed

    <('-'<) <('-')> (>'-')>

    100 Mbps is enough for modern PC HD CHA -- 05/06/09 (in reply to #320132029)

    I'm using 100 Mbps FTTH from south korea. My computer is not the high tech server but Its quad CPU... I have two 400 GB HDDs... When I download multiple stuff in full speed, my harddisk barely catches up with the speed.
    I don't know. Maybe SSD might be able to catch up with insane multiple 10MB/s writings from internet. But they cost 10 to 20 times more than normal HDDs. Anyway since you can download full high quality blue-ray discs within 10 to 20 minutes, why need faster lines? unless they release games and movies that are terabytes big.

    RE: Vairable pricing and speeds Anonymous -- 27/04/09

    Everyone in this debate seems to be forgeting that they will be able to offer variable pricing for variable speeds.

    Something like the following seems reasonable.

    1Mbit for $30/month
    5Mbit for $60/month
    20Mbit for 80/month
    50Mbit for $100/month
    100Mbit for $200/month

    Remembering of course that this would be the same speed for upload and download.

    This would allow the average mums and dads to keep the same connection/pricing plan but with better upload speed.

    I think there would be plenty of people that would nominate for the higher speeds and nobody would be any worse off.

    Of course none of this includes all the corporate and government data that may well use the network.

    RE: Vairable pricing and speeds Anonymous -- 27/04/09 (in reply to #320132367)

    This extra speed is of no real benefit with the limited download quotas set by most ISPs for their 'Average Family affordable' plans B.Pond in particular.
    What's the use of high speed for 1 day per month & being throttled back to dial-up for the remainder? (either that or pay through the nose for excess data)

    NBN Anonymous -- 01/11/09 (in reply to #320132367)

    iinet is offering 150GB @ 100Mbps down and 5Mbps up for $150
    on TPG I pay $69 for 150GB, but **** speeds

    The price Anonymous -- 08/06/09

    i've heard that the government's gonna get us to pay $200 a month to use the bloody thing, after using our own money to build it.

    Unlimited Anonymous -- 22/06/09

    Its nice but Id really want unlimited internet over 100mbps, I pay 79au per month for 20+40gb peak adsl2+ while someone in germany pays 20au less in our terms same speed and has unlimited something we can only dream of atm :( any news on what these caps will be? surely they cant leave the low caps they have now when running 100mbps internet wouldnt it just drain the cap like mad?

    Flat Rate vs Quota Christian Nicola -- 23/06/09 (in reply to #320145048)

    Well, pretty much all of Europe (France, Belgium, England, Germany etc.) have Flat-Rate services, where you have a fixed priced for a fixed connection with unlimited DL/UL quota. There's even bundles available that cover unlimited phonecalls/PayTV.
    I can't see why we shouldn't get the same here. It would be a lot more profitable for the ISP's as well, since they'd get way more customers than they'd normally get. It just makes more sense! When I moved from Germany to Brisbane two years ago, I couldn't believe what plans I got offered.

    economies of scale Anonymous -- 21/07/09 (in reply to #320145131)

    it's easy to say 'why dont we get the same speeds as Europe, Japan or Korea?', but if you look at a map, you may notice that most of those countries arent much bigger then Victoria! Running cable from Cairns to Perth via Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide ends up clocking some serious kms (unless you take the direct route). Also those countires have at least 5 times the population, so telcos obviously have more money to spend with less costs and more money to make.

    What Do To Do With 100Mbps Anonymous -- 25/06/09

    Just Download Heavy Files Like From Itunes

    LOL!

    Equality for all Anonymous -- 12/08/09

    Those living outside of the cities pay the same tax and should get decent internet for the same cost of those in the city. The Australian government paid for our satellite dish so we could get something faster than dial up internet but we still pay around $80 a month for a crappy plan that's about 1/10 of the speed people get 10km away, and we always go over our download limit halfway through the month. We don't spend time on youtube or download movies/music etc. Something needs to be done about this.

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