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Is Apple's MacBook Pro rotten to the core?

Posted by Munir Kotadia @ 11:21 46 comments

When companies launch a brand new product it usually takes some time to weed out the niggling issues; but how many systems need to break before the situation is recognised as a disaster rather than an unfortunate blip in quality control?

Less than a year after announcing its new Intel-based MacBook Pro, Apple has taken the market by storm.

Four of the CNET Australia editorial team have bought a new MacBook Pro since its release and every one of them has had to -- or will shortly -- spend some time in the Sydney AppleCentre.

Here are some details:

  • MacBook Pro delivered to Jeremy, senior editor and producer of CNET.com.au at the end of February 2006.

    Worked fine for a couple of months, then the battery started playing up. Even though the MacBook showed there was about 30 percent -- or about 45 minutes -- of life remaining, the system would shut down. This problem has been experienced by all four MacBook Pro owners.

    Around a month after the initial problems emerged, the MacBook's battery physically swelled up and the system began shutting down randomly. CNET.com.au did a photo story about this and demanded a recall.

    Along with the battery issues, the processor started emitting a whine, which Jeremy described as an "annoying ring tone that buzzes so only teenagers can hear it". At the time Apple said it was normal but just days after the MacBook returned from the repair shop, Apple decided it would also be a good idea to change the motherboard.

  • MacBook Pro ordered by Zennith, associate editor at CNET.com.au in February and delivered mid-March.

    Worked fine till last week when the battery indicator showed the system would take 746 (approximately) hours to charge the battery. Over the next two days the battery died completely and can no longer hold any charge.

    Since delivery, the MacBook's case has slowly warped over the superdrive bay and now the lid does not close properly.

    warped MacBook case
  • MacBook Pro ordered by Brendon, editor of Builder AU (builderau.com.au) during April and delivered later that month.

    The system has started exhibiting the same early battery symptoms as described in Jeremy's MacBook. With the system shutting down when batter indicator still thinks it has about 45 minutes life remaining.

    Another issue in this MacBook Pro relates to its AirPort system. When the AirPort is shut down from OS X, it remains connected to the wireless network.
  • MacBook Pro ordered and delivered to Ella, associate editor at CNET.com.au, in May.

    Was fine till this month when it started exhibiting the same incorrect battery indicator symptoms as Jeremy and Brendon's systems. The MacBook is due to go back to the Apple Service Centre in the near future.

So there we have it. Four MacBook Pro systems and all four requiring at least some attention from Apple.

But how have their MacBook experiences affected their views on Apple as a whole?

Jeremy, who bought the first of the four MacBooks and has had the most problems, remains a fan but is unlikely to be an early adopter next time: "I still love it ... but I'd think twice before getting a first revision product though".


Jeremy's bulging MacBook battery

Zennith said she remains faithful to the Mac, but only because her applications of choice are not available on Linux: "When there are open source alternatives on par with Photoshop and iTunes I will use a laptop running Linux".

Brendon, who is a longtime Powerbook user, said: "Luckily this is my work computer so I'm not totally cheesed off. But to buy my own new Mac? Yes I'd wait a while until Apple can sort out some of their bugs. It's definitely got some work to do to before being as stable as my G4."

Ella is the one most affected by her purchase. When asked if her MacBook experience has changed her attitude to Apple products she said: "It has definitely caused me to think harder about the choice -- rather than go Mac by default."

Are the CNET Australia editorial team's experiences of the MacBook representative or have we just been extremely unlucky?

The recent battery recall demonstrates that there are some issues but that is mainly for older notebooks such as the G4 Powerbook and G4 iBook.

So what is wrong with the Intel-based MacBook? At this stage it is difficult to say.

When any company suddenly ramps up its production from virtually nothing to a few million units, there are bound to be some quality issues. We don't think it is a coincidence that the first MacBook to be bought was the one with the most serious issues. This alone could be an indication that Apple is winning the battle.

There are many reasons people buy an Apple system. Some choose Macs for their security while others simply prefer OS X. Some people buy them for their looks and I am sure their market share has been boosted by BootCamp, which allows Mac users to have a dual-boot OS X and Windows system -- but you already know my views on that.

The MacBook Pro was launched about six months after I bought my G4 Powerbook and at the time I remember jealously eyeing the shiny new systems, wishing I had waited.

Now of course, I am very pleased I didn't.

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Talkback 46 comments

  1. Quit whining Anonymous -- 29/08/06

    Everything you mention has been addressed by Apple. The MacBooks and MacBook Pros are by far the best Apple machines ever launched. Considering its a major transition and the fact that Apple is replacing any issues for free speaks volumes. Had you bought a DELL for example, you might not even be here to write this editorial ;-)

    1. Dell ain't the only one with battery recalls....... Anonymous -- 29/08/06

      "Had you bought a DELL for example, you might not even be here to write this editorial ;-)"

      I assume you are referring to the Exploding batteries. Apple has also announced a recall on 1.8 million of it's batteries.

      Hypocrite.

    2. Humour deprived... Anonymous -- 30/08/06

      listen, if you feel like you have to make a personal attack, try to respond to the part of the post that's not actually a joke... it makes you look pretty lame.

      cheers

    3. Same bed... Anonymous -- 05/10/06

      Didn't you just do the same?

    4. DUH! Anonymous -- 13/01/07

      "Had you bought a DELL for example,... "

      He did buy a Dell. That is the subject of the article.

      Muppet.

    5. ****hole. Anonymous -- 18/01/08

      Such an **** you are.

    6. Rotten Apples - use some sense David T, Melbourne Australia -- 11/02/08

      The problems listed only require a bit of commonsense and discipline to resolve.

      Firstly, if you are using the laptop at home and can use mains power, use it. And take the battery out so it doesn't overheat!

      Secondly, if you are using Windows through BootCamp, try and do it with just power and not the battery as many Windows applications will heat the computer up a helluva lot (especially games)

      Thirdly, when charging, don't charge for a short amount of time, then stop charging, and then begin again. When you charge, charge to the full amount to prevent the battery picking up a memory and eventually failing. Also avoid charging the battery when it has 80%+ still on the battery. Let it flatten a little more than that first before charging.

      The main reason for the battery compartment becoming warped is when you use the MacBook on a flat surface and there is no form of ventilation to the underside of the laptop. Again, an easy way to do this is to take the battery out as this leaves room for air to get into the computer and cool it down. All laptops have this problem with flat surfaces, not just MacBook's

  2. Worrying but you need a slap Mr. Analytical -- 29/08/06

    Worrying, especially after the ongoing problems with the iPod's battery. But having said that, talk about a sensationalist headline...

    "Oh no! my Apple is rotten to the core! oh wait... there's just a problem with the battery indicator".

    If your macbooks are representative of a wider problem then Apple need to get this fixed but you deserve a slap for that headline, anything to get your Diggs and del.icio.us ratings up eh?

  3. Apple/Intel quality not great yet. Chuck -- 29/08/06

    Seems like a common problem amongst Mac Intel hardware right now... my Macbook just switches itself off, it is in being repaired at the moment. I look after many different Mac's, including 65 PPC Mac mini's that have been wonderful and reliable but many of the intel iMac's and Macbooks I administer have had hardware issues.

  4. Are you stupid Steve -- 29/08/06

    You order one, its has problems, so you order a second, it has problems, low and behold you order two more. Really people, what are you doing, if these were deals you would have been up in arms. They are only PC's made to look fancy.

  5. It's not just the Pro! Anonymous -- 29/08/06

    I bought my first MacBook two months ago. I'm now on my THIRD machine, and even that's going back. The first two turned pink within five days, the third took a bit longer but is turning yellow, and now it refused to turn on unless I reset the PRAM. Every single time. I've been feeling sorry for the Apple reseller from whom I've already had three machines, and so this time I'm making this a highest-level complaint to Apple. I wouldn't tolerate this in exchange for GBP1000 from any other manufacturer, and I won't tolerate it from Apple.

  6. MacBook Pro > PowerBook Anonymous -- 30/08/06

    I used a 12" 1.33 GHz G4 PowerBook for 1.5 years before buying a 15" 1.83 GHz MacBook Pro.

    There is no way to compare these machines, the G4 was always sluggish and meek. The MacBook Pro destroys it. No regrets at all. I do have a whine (which I haven't addressed yet) and my battery was replaced (under recall) but I didn't have the warping or battery life issues.

    MacBook Pro > PowerBook (except for the stupid name)

  7. Do you know the difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro ? Anonymous -- 30/08/06

    Please stop calling the Macbook Pro [MBP] the Macbook. They are as you know two completely different units

    Did any four of you see the headlines about Apple recalling the MBP batteries. I have already had mine replaced. Apple owned up to the battery retention problem weeks ago, please don't bring up issues that have already been spoken for.

    1. Apple Anonymous -- 30/08/06

      They did not recall MacBook Pro batteries.

    2. macpro batterries Anonymous -- 11/09/06

      oh yes they did, read the link on znet and checked my battery serial number, filled in the online form, new battery arrive 5 days later - this for a macbook pro 15" purchased in april

  8. I own a MacBook Jeremiah -- 30/08/06

    I'm really sorry for all the people out there that have had problems.
    I bought mine about four months ago and love it. It hasn't had a problem, at least not anything that one wouldn't expect from a machine that is the center of my workflow.

    I've changed the Ram, put a new HD in myself and done various other things that push it to the edge, never a complaint from the MacBook. I also have several friends that own MacBooks, same thing, not a problem.

    I depend on my Mac for business, and so far, have not been let down, so that said, is the MacBook rotten?

  9. I love my Macbook Pro Anonymous -- 30/08/06

    It's the best computer I've ever used, and I've used many. I ordered mine within a few weeks of the debut so I have an early one. Apple replaced the battery a few weeks ago although I never had any problems with it. Altogether it's been quite smooth. I do wish the Express/34 card would latch in more securely.

  10. Macbook Pro random Shutdowns!!!!!!! Anonymous -- 30/08/06

    my macbook pro along with MANY others randomly reboots... Randomly.. with batt or while pluged in
    check google

  11. Mac Book Issues Anonymous -- 30/08/06

    I purchased a Mac Book for my daughter who was going off to college becasue 'everyone is buying Macbooks for school Dad'. We purchased in Early July. By late July the hard drive failed and was replaced by the local service center. The day we got it back, the system no longer recognized its battery. The battery was then replaced by the same service center. Since then it has behaved itself, but two major components bad within a month of the purchase? I believe Apple has lost some of its sheen for quality.

  12. Sponsored by Dell Anonymous -- 30/08/06

    It's ironic that I read this blog post and at the top of the web page was a big ad for Dell.

  13. batteries - pwr supplies - performance Ralph -- 30/08/06

    Interesting to read the comments. I can only wonder why no one seems to appreciate the fact the overheating and issues with voltage supplied may (or may not) cause other irrational behavior in the device... maybe a more factual approach in the blog/article would be prudent.

  14. batteries - pwr supplies - performance Ralph -- 30/08/06

    Interesting to read the comments. I can only wonder why no one seems to appreciate the fact the overheating and issues with voltage supplied may (or may not) cause other irrational behavior in the device... maybe a more factual approach in the blog/article would be prudent.

  15. Just a PC Anonymous -- 01/09/06

    Let's face it - a Mac is now just a PC. Nothing special about it except - yes - the price. So, if you feel you have some extra cash you want to offload, go and buy yourself a Mac.

    Ah yes, the OS X. What can you do when Apple won't officially support it on "real" PCs. Gotta offload that cash ;-)

    1. Just a PC? Dave Gray -- 01/09/06

      The Mac OSX operating system is what essentially makes a make so different from just a PC!

      The next revision (Leopard) has features that only PC users can dream about. I don't think any IT professional can dispute the seemless integration of software with hardware that the Mac represents.

      The fact that Apple make the hardware and the software is the reason Mac OSX has been so stable compared to Windows XP.

      If Microsoft restricted their OS to a range of systems that only they made I would hazzard a guess they could also gain more stability...

      But, yes, Apple need to reign in their quality control. They do need to re-think their battery supply (which it seems they are doing...).

    2. osx86 has proven your myth wrong Anonymous -- 28/09/06

      OSx86 project pretty much dispells all myths that mac cannot run on a PC. Albeit not legal, but possible.

    3. Re: Just a PC Martyn P -- 05/09/06

      The prices is now at least on par with Dell and the other boxes so in that regard you are right: yes it is just a PC.

      with regards to 'real PCs' I guess you mean BIOS PC's. Yeah heaven forbid Apple would want to protect their IP and use the far mored advanced EFI standard instead of the 20 year old BIOS interface.

      I'm an IT manager with 20 PC's and 50 Macs to look after. I've always adhered to the principle of don't buy version 1.0 of anything and that applies equally to new Apple hardware. Especially when that hardware is based around a whole new architecture. So there are some problems in the current Intel line-up, so what? They'll be sorted out in time for the next product revision.

      Having said that I have bought a Macbook for my CEO and a Macbook Pro for my Technical Director and both of them are happy as larry now that they can run Windows simultaneously under Parallels.

      I think its premature to say that Apple's products are rotten to the core just because 1.0 of the Intel machines have some issues.

      Any sensible person always waits for Rev B.

    4. Nice joke, thanks! Anonymous -- 05/09/06

      > The prices is now at least on par with Dell and the other boxes so in that regard you are right: yes it is just a PC.

      ROFL!

    5. Are you serious? Anonymous -- 17/09/07

      The price is ridiculous! I customized a MacBook Pro and an HP dv6500t to the same specs, and there was a 700 dollar price difference. What the hell are you talking about?

  16. Quality - not gone Anonymous -- 05/09/06

    MACS have always been and always will be a great quality product. So they have an issue - and every body wants to dump on them - shame on you - Apple WILL sort it out.

    1. Macs have always been and always will? Anonymous -- 06/08/07

      A bit presumptuous

    2. Are you kidding!? Anonymous -- 23/10/08

      Are you kidding? Apple have the worst quality control out of any global company. I am a designer and all of my friends who are designers have had problems with their macs. Bottom line is that they are made to break. Less quality = more repairs/parts = more money

  17. Yes they did. Benjamin Williams -- 05/09/06

    https://support.apple.com/macbookpro15/batteryexchange/

  18. Dell service is actually much better than Apple Anonymous -- 17/09/06

    While I appreciate the sentiment, I recently went from Apple back to Dell (running Linux of course). In the transition, my experience has been that the Dell service is much, much, much better. While I have to call, the technicians treat me with respect. There is no stupid setting appointments on the internet to talk with the Genius.

    There was a small issue with the TV tuner on the machine I ordered. After having me run the diagnostic, they sent me a new tuner and a technician to my home the next evening to replace it. It was quick, polite, and once the problem was determined no questions asked.

    Further, should anything go wrong with my machine in the next 4 years, I will receive this same level of service. Even with the extended warranty, Apple doesn't even compare.

    1. BACk To DELL?? Anonymous -- 02/07/07

      Dell is on the decline for a huge reason, people like me spend $3500 on an XPS that is a huge piece of jumk, then they dont want to send a tech to help you. Dell stinks! Toshiba and IBM laptoops are good though

    2. Physically not good. wsertewerere -- 18/01/08

      Sure Dell's are cheaper and have better specs, but my god they have crap plastic on them, it's just so cheap, the keyboard makes big bangs when you hit it, it's just not funny, i mean really.

  19. Mine and my girlfriend's Anonymous -- 28/09/06

    I'm a huge mac fan...however I'm starting to lose my patience. My Macbook bought 3 months ago, started to freeze, shut down and stall. Thinking it was maybe just my machine my girlfriend's has started to do the same.

    The last straw was a kernal error which now has my machine probably on the way to mac heaven.

    Seems you can brand and market all you want but it seems that the wheels maybe just starting to full off! Hope not.

    1. macbook Anonymous -- 03/10/06

      I agree ...my macbook is only 3 months old...keeps freezing and shutting down. When I took it in to a repairer they could not say when the logic boards which it needs will come into australia. I am amazed... a brand new computer that doesn't work and no parts to fix it.

  20. LOL! Macs suck... JEQP -- 02/10/06

    This is hilarious...Apple computers suck, and they always have. I've never been stupid enough to buy one, but some of my friends have and I've used them at Uni. Almost without fail they crash when they are used... I always hear "oops...well, at least it's better than Windows ha ha ha", then the next time we try to use their computer it crashes again. That doesn't happen with my XP machine...

  21. this is bull**** catherine clay -- 14/05/07

    I DETEST my mac book pro. The hard drive is failing and no hard drive has ever done this to me that I recall... although how would I know about the question mark... hmmm... brain tumor oh well. Anyway I will be working on this POS and it will quit and then that's that. I wish I had read more comments before I purchased this POS. Oh... I think uyou forgot to mention they are doing a recall on the batteries of this POS so if you have no battery life NOW YOU KNOW WHY **** piece of **** I want to desperately throw this thing out the window. And I got this hard drive failure AGAIN ON MOTHERS DAY. I am so pissed

  22. macbook pro casing Darren Fagan -- 31/07/07

    has anyone else come across a problem with the mackbook pro casing around the superdrive? recently, this area on mine has warped/bent downwards into the superdrive gape, so that a cd/dvd isnt able to be ejected. In the article above it seems to have warped in the other direction away from the drive and this seems to be relatively well documented on the net. I took it into an apple service centre and they claim its a result of physical damage however i have never dropped the macbook pro, and it mostly sits only on my desk, or carefully transported in a laptop bag to uni.

  23. Shut Up James Robinson -- 12/11/07

    How many of you had had a PC that has NEVER needed to be restarted and formatted. How many of you have had to download millions of spyware, antivirus software that 'Protects' your computer by finding the problems, then asking you to download the full pack, software. PC and microsoft are crap and you need to deal with it. Nearly all the mac software has been made and approved by mac. And that crap with the bettery, move on it was a dud computer, like you have never got a cd that doesn't work in the player or something that was broken to begin with or had a part missing. ITS LIFE. MOVE ON.

    Besides mac is the best thing out. Windows is so unreliable that it isn't funny any more. Constant crashes, virus problems. They SUCK big time.

  24. Rottent to the core Anonymous -- 30/11/07

    I believe that the title "roten to the core" is refering to the core (or CPU) of the system, not the system as a whole. its a play on words. All the author is saying is that the new intel mac are bad.

  25. Buying the first production of a notebook is like getting the first beta edition Anonymous -- 18/01/08

    You can't just buy a notebook from the first production line and expect everything work to it's finest, we all would like that and even Apple would strongly prefer that, but as we know they can test every machine, Also it's just not fair to have a go at Apple, you could at least do a review on more manufactures it's just unfair.

    By now I'm sure Apple have addressed the issue, you should even consider yourself lucky that Apple were happy to replace the faulty components, I'd doubt other manufactures would even consider doing so.

  26. This article Anonymous -- 05/04/08

    I think its about time you remove this article, its a problem that been addressed, second its something I dont like to see come up in the search every time i type in MacBook Pro got it ? good thanks

    1. macbook pro Anonymous -- 13/07/08

      My supercharged macbook pro that cost me $5000 australian has been nothing but trouble. I have had to a complete wipe and reinstall once already and have had numerous keyboard problems, It sounds like this problem has not been resolved

    2. THE HORRORS Frank J. Perrotta -- 12/08/08

      I initially purchased a used PowerBook from an Apple store employee. Fortunately, the PB had a lot of AppleCare left on it and when the thing went thru 3 repairs AC took care of things and gave me the latest & greatest MBP.

      That MBP worked great except for the KEYBOARD!!!

      There soon started a HUGE uproar on Apples forum about the kb. It was discovered that the issue was known and had a valid Apple bug # (4333743) dating from the PB and had carried over to the MBP.

      I wrote an email to Steve Jobs and got a response from Executive Relations. So how many years is this? Two, Three years that Apple Executive Relations has tried to get me a decent MBP. I have gone thru so many repairs, exchanges... and it still continues...

      I would guess that I have gone thru at least half a dozen machines and, believe me, it was hell having to send one back and get a new one. I declined a number of replacements due to the trouble it all creates in my life.

      So, this latest MBP, I worked for a month with one of the highest tech support agents available at Apple. She finally gave up and had me send a report to the engineers. They got back to her saying the unit is a LEMON. No details... I dont really think the engineers give a ****!

      So we were about to set up another exchange when I pointed out the newest huge thread at the Apple forum concerning the Nvidia chips failing. My rep said there were NO issues and she started the exchange... she got off the phone with me and 10 mins later... she called back saying she took a look at that thread and wanted to put a hold on the exchange!!!

      Poor Executive Relations, they are really embarrassed at the recent (years long) multiple issues plaguing Apple

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