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US shows what OPEL could have been

Posted by David Braue @ 10:34 63 comments

The US city of Baltimore, Maryland, population just under 1 million, may be best known to most Australians as the setting for last year's hit movie Hairspray.

Americans also know it for its 107-year-old Baltimore Orioles baseball team, its delicious Chesapeake Bay crabs, its world-class Johns Hopkins Hospital, and its homicide rate six times higher than that of New York City.

Baltimore Inner Harbor
(Credit: Jacqueline Munoz, Royalty Free)

This month, however, Baltimore will become known for two more things: first, it is the first place in the US where Sprint's new Xohm service — the name for its WiMAX wireless data service — has become officially available across the city. Second, it is the city that will prove that the Australian government's decision to worm its way out of the Opel WiMAX contract was a short-sighted, and ultimately damaging, political stunt that has benefited nobody.

It is now a bit over a year since the Optus-Elders partnership was given the green light by the previous government, and about six months since new minister Stephen Conroy decided that no progress was desirable to progress on the Coalition's terms.

Ask the residents of even moderately sized non-capital cities how their internet services are going, and you're likely to hear some grumbling. After all, Conroy has set his sights on frying bigger fish — building a nationwide next-generation infrastructure that will stand as a monument to Labor's nation-building prowess. Well, that was the theory, at least.

As we near the end of 2008 — the time when Conroy originally promised we would start seeing the first fibre-optic cable laid in the ground — and the NBN tender continues its rocky crawl forward, it's hard not to think about what might have been.

Heck, you don't even have to think about it: Baltimore — a onetime steel town and shipbuilding centre that would not be inaccurate to describe as America's version of Newcastle — is now leading the US in what will soon become one of the world's largest WiMAX deployments.

By Conroy's logic, Opel was the fruit of a poisoned tree that the Coalition planted, so Labor was setting up the guillotine from the moment it took office. Since Big Kev would rather spend that $1 billion funding his year-long world tour, Conroy would have had Buckley's of convincing him to up the government's commitment to broadband from $4.7b to $5.7b for two separate projects.

Heck, the way the economy's going I'm surprised Labor haven't pulled the NBN bid yet and diverted the money to get an early start on their 2010 re-election campaign.

At any rate, things in broadband are much the same as they were a year ago. Except that Telstra finally decided it should actually use its ADSL2+ equipment. And that Optus can't seem to keep its 3G network working for more than 10 minutes at a stretch.

Both of these facts are strong arguments for widespread availability of an alternative infrastructure, and I don't think I'm being partisan here when I say that it's bloody obvious that wireless suits rural areas to a T when it comes to landline replacements (of course, broadband over power lines worked well in rural areas too, but that potential game-changer got axed right quick too).

Instead, however, we have a government that bought Telstra's argument that WiMAX was A Terrible Thing — not the least because it completes with Telstra's perfectly good (I write this with a straight face) Next G network — which, by the way, will be pushed to 42Mbps some time real soon, ya'll hear?

Let me for a moment avoid getting stuck into that deceptive Marketing Department figure, and simply touch on what the fair people of Baltimore can now get. After buying a US$80 WiMAX modem, customers of the Xohm Home bundle will pay just US$35 per month (US$25 per month for the first 6 months) or US$50 per month for a combo plan that attaches a mobile data card to the service as well. As with most American broadband services, there do not appear to be download limits.

"Yes," you say, "but I bet it's not very fast." I'll let Sprint cover that: "We define High Performance level as average 2 to 4 Mbps download speed and 0.5 to 1.5 Mbps upload speed. Broadband access speed claims are based on our network speed tests. Many factors can affect performance. Actual performance and coverage may vary and is not guaranteed."

The Australian government's decision to worm its way out of the Opel WiMAX contract was a short-sighted, and ultimately damaging, political stunt that has benefited nobody.

Actually, this probably is a good time to get stuck into the 42Mbps figure. Telstra has a habit of overstating its capabilities and overestimating on its costs — just consider how many times it has revised its estimated NBN cost upwards, at a rate roughly paralleling Zimbabwe's inflation.

I'm thinking that someone in government heard Telstra promising 42Mbps and thought "stuff that, why should we spend a billion to deliver something one-tenth that speed when we can just axe Opel and use the dosh to keep Kev in First Class?"

Now, anybody who actually uses wireless data services — 3G, EDGE, GPRS, or even the many spotty WiMAX services currently dotting our country — knows that stated speeds are optimistic at best and grossly optimistic at worst and that, true to the laws of physics, performance starts to decline as soon as you climb down from the top of the antenna.

But the issue here isn't really one of performance — it's an issue of accessibility. And, outside of metropolitan areas, this is where Australia's broadband really falls down; Telstra may really be doing its best to make Next G a landline replacement, but — promises aside — it is still a pale second to a dedicated, data-only wireless broadband delivered by WiMAX or similar technology.

Love it or hate it, the sense Opel was giving was that their planned network would have delivered good-speed broadband to millions of people who are suffering along with dial-up speeds and using phone lines that will never, ever deliver better performance because of the way they were configured all those years ago. For them, nothing has changed since last year.

I acknowledge that Opel is gone forever — although I do expect Optus/SingTel have a battalion of lawyers ready to sue the bejeezus out of the government for the Opel cancellation once the NBN bid is decided.

But as the people of Baltimore — and, soon, Chicago (a city with more people than Sydney and Melbourne combined) and Washington, D.C. (also larger than Sydney) — go live with WiMAX, perhaps those who bagged the technology a year ago, sight unseen, will have to concede that maybe, just maybe, the axing of Opel meant that Australia missed out on something big.

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Talkback 63 comments

    What to the home? Terry -- 06/10/08

    It will be interesting to see if any of the bidders decide to use Wimax for any (and I mean any) of their last mile delivery. The copper may already be there but by the time the NBN finally gets off the ground Wimax may be at the point where it can provide faster service and due to it's setup it would be easier to maintain.

    It is well known that... Matthew Smith -- 06/10/08

    WiMAX as it stands with current profile 1 hardware can produce excesses of 30mbps per sector.

    However, sprint are being smart with their network resource planning and capping each user to a max of about 4mbps, which is smart. I'd love to see how you'd get 42mpbs on Telstra when to do so you effectively have to wipe everybody else off the mobile tower you're on to do you.

    Either way, the ditching of OPEL was a massive cockup by the Krud government. However, OPEL wasn't without its issues - rolling out a network on 5.8Ghz spectrum, which would barely penetrate a glass window, wasn't a smart idea.

    However, it was known that whilst Optus made the proposal, they were in talks with Unwired and Austar to use the 2.3Ghz WiMAX spectrum.

    What I find hilarious, is that at the end of the day, Krud is going to **** billions of tax payer money on a FTTN network which nobody wants and nobody will use, even more so, one which won't have any extended reach outside of current ADSL (because it simply JUST USES THE CURRENT COPPER NETWORK!) - Even worse, it only needs to provide up to 12mbps - LESS THAN CURRENT ADSL AND WiMAX!!

    Unwired recently demonstrated Mobile WiMAX in the Sydney CBD pumping out 13mbps, and I'll bet that was with 5Mhz of spectrum (of which they own 100Mhz of WiMAX spectrum).

    Far out, for a few hundred million we could have a decent national WiMAX network pumping out megabits and leave all this FTTN **** for dead! I'd quite happily ditch my 10mbps ADSL for a 1-4mbps (REAL MBPS, unlike Telstra and Optus, which struggle to get above 1.5mbps), mobile WiMAX connection.

    I'd laugh if it wasn't all so sad.

    optus elders actually aquired the spectrum. Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113563)

    "However, it was known that whilst Optus made the proposal, they were in talks with Unwired and Austar to use the 2.3Ghz WiMAX spectrum."

    actually they had come to a deal on that, the spectrum was theirs dependant on them actually completing the network and receiving the funding (seems not everyone was convinced that labor had any follow through.)

    Partisan? Paul D -- 06/10/08

    "and I don't think I'm being partisan here when I say that it's bloody obvious"

    Why bother declaring your impartiality there, where it's barely relevant, when the rest of your article is full of snide comments about the current government?

    You bash Telstra's PR claims while quoting verbatim off Xohm's website, and you show no signs of having looked for independent test results of Baltimore's network performance. You're comparing the Wimax rollout in a city of 1 million people to the axed plan to deploy it across 1 million square kilometres.

    The real crime here is that your blog post got treated as a 'news story' on the front page of Whirlpool, giving you far more exposure than you deserve.

    Links? Terry -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113564)

    "You bash Telstra's PR claims while quoting verbatim off Xohm's website, and you show no signs of having looked for independent test results of Baltimore's network performance"

    Can you provide some links to independent test results then?

    @links Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113567)

    provide links, haha. what for you and james to then dismiss because the author is *obviously* on the big t payroll? why would one bother when dealing with such biased clowns as you.

    @@links .. hmmm Terry -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113572)

    Paul D posted saying there were independent testing results showing that Wimax performance was below par, I was interested in what he had read and was hoping that he could provide links to the information . If the Wimax rollout in Baltimore is operating sub par then maybe it's a good idea Opel didn't roll it out.

    What I find strange is your sudden jump in here to try and diss me for asking for this information, for all both you and I know it's perfectly valid and show the flaws of Wimax, but your suggestion that the information should be hidden in case it's proven as invalid and merely saying "it exists, trust me" is poor and really of benefit to no one.

    @links Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113574)

    my apologies but however, having dealt with those who ask for these types of links previously, they normally ask rhetorically! they ask to save face, but don't really want the truth and when the truth is supplied, the truth is, as you say dissed for no rational reason?

    @@links Terry -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113578)

    "my apologies but however, having dealt with those who ask for these types of links previously, they normally ask rhetorically! they ask to save face, but don't really want the truth and when the truth is supplied, the truth is, as you say dissed for no rational reason?"

    Is this like an X-Files thing, The Truth Is Out There but we're not doing to tell you what it is? :-)

    @@@links Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113580)

    yes thats exactly what it is. so I reiterate, obviously your question was rhetorical because you dont want the truth you just want to be a sarcastic p**ck.

    @@@@links Terry -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113581)

    No I wanted a link to independent testing on the Baltimore Wimax rollout, I've done some googling and have found this .. http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/29/40TC-wimax-road-test_1.html?source=fssr .. which is a good independent test of Wimax in general (and shows that Wimax is good for what it is but not really a viable replacement to current technologies) but unfortunately it's not the Baltimore implementation being tested.

    Clearly a look at a the Baltimore rollout would be better due to it's scale, I'll guess I'll keep searching.,.

    @@@@@links Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113582)

    please do and thanks for the link.

    by the way, if you are, and i assume you are, the same terry that has been commenting lately, did you, speaking of links and learning, do as i suggested previously and google, graham lynch, prof cave and the others, to learn more about separation etc?

    @@@@@@links Terry -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113583)

    Yes, same person, and honestly no I haven't, I left the last topic I posted in after it turned into a name calling fest so I must have missed that suggestion. But I'll do some searching on those later and have a read.

    links again Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113584)

    this is why i resist leaving links, because they are mostly ignored. but please check them out as these guys, as well as prof reg coutts, david kennedy, kevin morgan, have some interesting input. not the typical telstra bashing,so because so, are largely overlooked.

    terry, you sound like a reasonable person, so i apologise for automatically putting you in the same category as others who also name call, hence my aggressive approach toward you, which you didnt and dont deserve.

    @links again Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113585)

    "check them out as these guys, as well as prof cave, david kennedy, kevin morgan, have some interesting input. not the typical telstra bashing,so because so, are largely overlooked. "

    You don't leave links because you don't have any. Also you forgot to add Rod Bruem, Phil Burgess, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot to your list for Terry to research.

    You're not going to find the truth relying on paid lobbyists, consultants and so called experts of which many are largely responsible for today's woes.

    If you want genuine independent views you need to look no further than this blog, and from those who are not financially involved (unless David Braue has some background I'm unfamiliar with?).

    @links again Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113643)

    thanks for that 'unbiased' view.

    perhaps others who aren't missing the perception part of their brains (Stalin, Pol Pot, what ridiculouness, you preach, plus you forgot Hitler and Satan, fool) and wanting all sided of the story, will find the info interesting.

    @links again, again Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113644)

    "All sides" of the story is different to referring someone to paid consultants/lobbyists for Telstra and insinuating that they somehow tell the truth.

    Do you think Professor Cave came down under to preach anti-separation/regulation out of the goodness of his heart? I'm surprised you forgot to add Henry Ergess to your list. There you go.. I've added another name for you.

    @@links again, again Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113646)

    Ok know all, if these guys are so biased, what have people got to lose by googling them and finding out for themselves? According to you its so obvious that everyone will see.

    I say these guys are legitimate and have input, you don't (perhaps you are a paid lobbyist yourself haha), so let's let others make up their own minds. I dont have a problem with that, do you?

    Also it is Prof Henry Ergas, surely such an informed person as yourself should know this?

    Funny though, how all these professors, Cave, Ergas, Coutts would put their impeccable reputations and years of esteemed study on the line, simply to become paid lobbyists, just because *you* say so.

    Perhaps their findings as *Profesors*, as opposed to your findings as a disgruntled Telstra hater/tttt informant, have actual basis? Thats why they are professors and you are not!

    So if you have nothing to hide, let them google, free of your stupid hinderances, name calling and whatever other lowly tttt trick you have up your sleeve!

    But you really dont want people to see the pro's views and the way it really is, do you?

    @@links again, again, again Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113676)

    "Ok know all, if these guys are so biased, what have people got to lose by googling them and finding out for themselves?"

    You see that's the problem. A lot of people will not be aware of their connections and hence would potentially read their material believing they are independent views, but yes now that I have raised these links a relatively simple search will allow others to see these associations themselves.

    Cave and Ergas have both been employed directly by Telstra to lobby on Telstra's behalf. Just the other day Telstra funded the launch party of one of Ergas' books.

    "But you really dont want people to see the pro's views and the way it really is, do you?"

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with reading what these professors, with so called "impeccable reputations" as you put it, have to say; however it is important audiences reading the material also understand that these people have been paid a lot of money by a corporation (which just so happens to have more paid lobbyists than any other company in this nation) to put their arguments forward.

    @links again Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113643)

    david braue is "paid" to write stories and have as many comments as he can muster. previously he tried other topics and got very few comments.

    so hes now back to plan a, where he is guaranteed to get plenty of paid comments from bagging telstra, just to save his own bacon, simple.

    Mmmmm, bacon David Braue -- 08/10/08 (in reply to #320113678)

    Dear Anonymous, I have no financial interest in ZDnet or in writing stories just for the hits -- if I did, you would see lots more pieces with titles like 'New sex tape shows Paris Hilton's iPhone porn fetish'.

    I pick topics that interest me and call things as I see them, plain and simple. Some interest other people, some do not. Some inspire great emotion, some do not. If something I write strikes a chord, it's great that people take the time to contribute to the discussion. That's my Plan A, B and C.

    Who would pay David Anonymous -- 08/10/08 (in reply to #320113723)

    The only positive thing I see about ZDNet is the fact they are smart enough to see that what he writes is not of a professional standard and as such is not deserving of any payment. The only reason you don't have more plans is that you don't know what comes after C!

    Fair Go Anonymous -- 09/10/08 (in reply to #320113723)

    A little more balanced reporting David would go a long way. The constant deriding of a great company like Telstra becomes tedious.

    Yeah! terribly upset -- 11/10/08 (in reply to #320113851)

    leave my beloved telstra alone! i cant bear to hear anything bad about it, do you know how many nights of mine you've ruined david! everytime you write one of these slanderous articles its a slap to my face and i curl up in a corner and cry, i cry that someone could say something bad about an australian company, got rip on some foreign devil owned like kaboptus

    yours sincerly
    super distraught guy

    Nope David Braue -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113643)

    Although I did receive a Telstra bill once. For 15 cents. On an Optus local service. But Telstra said I didn't need to pay it. On each bill they sent me. Every quarter for six years. So, technically, I was financially involved.

    But I don't think that's what you meant!

    Nope.

    @nope Anonymous -- 08/10/08 (in reply to #320113692)

    sorry david i wasnt implying that *you* were paid by telstras competition, if that was your impression. i was meaning the people who are paid by the tttt to attack anyone who disagrees with the tttt warped logic, will always come, as will the telstra supporters, when theres a good old fashioned telstra flogging story going on. and what do you know, this wimax, opel story did exactly that. haha

    Re: Links? Paul -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113567)

    Terry - no, but I'm not the one with an axe to grind. David clearly implies (based presumably on anecdotal evidence) that Telstra's network is not and will not be capable of 42mpbs regardless of what they promise but then blithe ly accepts Xohm's website's more modest claims with no evidence.

    What if Xohm is overstating their capability just as much as Telstra does?

    @Re: Links? Terry -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113575)

    "Terry - no, but I'm not the one with an axe to grind."

    Fair enough, I've read some of the negative aspects of Wimax and was just interested in reading testing done on a large scale real world implementation. If you're not willing to link to this information (for whatever reason) that's your prerogative guess.

    Anectodal evidence David Braue -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113575)

    Xohm is claiming quite modest speeds and if you look at the reviews that are appearing online, it appears they have met their targets with peaks of up to 7Mbps or so. I do not live in Baltimore and neither (I suspect) do you, so for now we all have to take their word for it.

    Re speed, this is not an issue of Telstra's network doing 42Mbps or not. The issue is WHAT is getting 42Mbps. And if you speak with people who build these things, they will concede that the 42Mbps is an aggregate theoretical maximum. It is also theoretical because there are no devices available that actually run that fast.

    It is, furthermore, theoretical because speed is not the primary consideration for mobile data services - coverage and continuity of service are. Honestly - who among us can honestly say they need a 42Mbps connection to their mobile? OR even a 21Mbps connection to their mobile? For what?

    Heck, my car's speedometer goes up to 220 km/h but I suspect it would rattle to pieces before it got too far past 180 and I've never had it past 130, er, 100.

    I will happily laud Telstra's achievement in building a 42Mbps wireless network when they can show me a terminal attached to their network running at 42Mbps. But until then, it's a pointless, inaccurate and deceptive figure that is bandied about by marketing people but muttered about in private by Telstra's technical people.

    Smart consumers read the website. Paul -- 08/10/08 (in reply to #320113694)

    First part of the terms

    1. Speeds may vary due to congestion, distance from the cell, local conditions, hardware, software and other factors. Speeds for G Fast plans and the upload speed for a standard device on a Super G Fast plan are theoretical maximums - actual speeds will be less.

    Note the part at the end that says "Actual speeds will be less"

    What is deceptive about that? Thats straight off the Telstra website.

    If you have more brains than a bag of potatoes, you check terms and details before you get anything. Almost every single provider has something you could term "dubious" in their t's and c's and its your job as a consumer to read these details.

    That may be throwing a lot of onus off the companies to be forthright with their information, but as long as it's there, technically they have done their job.

    Isn't that your job? Funky J -- 09/10/08 (in reply to #320113567)

    You ask for links to independent tests...

    Isn't your job, as a journalist, to find that information for yourself and then include it in the initial report, in order to provide a fair and balanced report?

    If nothing else, you've proved that you're simply a crap and lazy journalist.

    Partisan? Sean -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113564)

    So it's OK to accept the spin from one side, but when "reasonable" claims about another viewpoint are expressed they should be denigrated because it is contrary to the original spin? Oh of course I forgot, NWAT is the paragon of impartial telco advice for the "Good Of Australia".

    @partisan Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113568)

    no its not ok sean, so you oughta try it too. i see you were the one who just had to mention nwat, just get iover it, geez.

    Isn't that where you source your information though? Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113569)

    What's wrong with bringing up nwat, afterall they were the the most vocal, if not the only major crtitics of OPEL? Now many thousands of people have been left with absolutely nothing, and putting the fact that wifi was only going to be provided at the retail level by OPEL many also forget the backhaul fibre competition it would have brought opening the door to numerous other opportunities.

    correction Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113586)

    wifi=wimax and retail=wholesale

    @isnt Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113586)

    comparing this US experience to opel is wrong, because the US experience is actual and opel was a political stunt from day one. unfortunatley david in his usual wisdom, can only see the last political stunt not the first one.

    @isnt that Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113586)

    theres nothing wrong with bringing up nwat. its just that some clowns do it in such an intelligent way. if anyone comes here and say a nice big t word they are then told, go back to nwat crony. very intelligent response. refer to comments above and at bottom of page.

    Reviews of Xohm David Braue -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113564)

    I didn't have links to reviews when I wrote the piece because it had only just been launched, but you can read independent reviews of the service here:
    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Laptop-Magazine-Reviews-XOHM-98116
    or here:
    http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/29/40TC-wimax-road-test_1.html

    Highlights:
    "so far speeds are as advertised"
    "beats EDGE"
    "With a strong signal, I saw download speeds averaging 3.6Mbps, with my fastest test at a blazing 7.1Mbps. That's faster than my home cable connection!"
    "with more consistent service and a lower price, the carrier could transform the wireless Internet world"

    What was the question again?

    42mbps! Alex Macaronis -- 06/10/08

    I too find it hard to accept speeds of 42mbits as realistic, when Telstra currently say that their network supports 14.4mbit down, and yet on their most up to date card available (a ExpressCard Sierra Wireless 880E) which supports 7.2 down and 2mbit up, my users (we use more than 1000 of these cards) can only achieve about 1mbit down and 500kbit up.

    We need regulation on wireless data speeds...

    Just look at York Peninsula Mathew -- 06/10/08

    No need to wait for USA trials. WiMax has been working on York Peninsula (http://www.agile.com.au/data/yorke.htm) at prices that are metro-comparable (http://www.internode.on.net/residential/internet/wireless_dsl/pricing/).

    @just Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113589)

    thanks simon!

    Wimax in Yorke Peninsula - S.A. Anonymous -- 06/10/08 (in reply to #320113589)

    Node's Wimax is running at 6000/512 and their pricing looks just like ADSL2+ to me...

    Simon says... (Oct 2007)
    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=759938&r=13330339#r13330339

    Internode to recommence WiMAX deployment in regional S.A. (Oct 2007)
    http://www.itnews.com.au/News/63231,internode-to-recommence-wimax-deployment-in-regional-sa.aspx

    Node Wimax Pricing...
    http://www.internode.on.net/residential/internet/wireless_dsl/pricing/

    Letter in defence of WiMax
    http://www.commsday.com/node/229

    Selective facts to make comparisons AGAIN!!! J. Summers -- 06/10/08

    Baltimore is 238.5 square kilometers with a population of 637,455 or a density of 3,039 people per square km.

    How can this be compared to the Opel bid?

    The entire intention of the Opel bid was to use this to deliver services in the bush where population density is under 50 people per square km while maintaining ADSL services to the masses.

    Stop grasping at straws Braue. Last week comparing BT with Telstra based on some selective facts that actually disproved your argument and now you are trying to compare a raccoon with a wombat ... they are two different animals!

    Are you suggesting fibre is a more economical solution? David Braue -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113607)

    Or that Sprint's service is only viable because they're targeting a city with more than 50 people per square km? The difference is that many of America's rural areas are already well-served with cable services, but I would not be surprised if Sprint moves into rural services as well. Of course it won't happen immediately but once it is proven in the cities, WiMAX would seem the obvious choice to fill in holes in coverage. Even in rural areas.

    By the way, could you clarify how the "selective facts" "actually disproved" my argument last week? Several people said that but nobody offered much proof either way, even though I openly solicited more informed opinions.

    Read the comments J. Summers -- 08/10/08 (in reply to #320113696)

    The growth they experienced over a 9 year period was 25%, exceptionally poor (2.5% pa) especially when speeds and downloads skyrocketed during this same period. They increased the number of shares in the market resulting in a much lower yield and returns per share. It appears all you did was look at the bottom line but then again with how low you seem to go and your lack of foresight I would be surprised if you can see any further then that.

    news ? Anonymous -- 06/10/08

    I hope that no more links are added to whirlpool that come from this reporter, sad that zdnet dont have a edditor we might have been saved from reading this crap (could not be called news)

    What is your problem? Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113613)

    What exactly is your problem with this article? I found it very interesting and it's certainly worth remembering OPEL when to compared to this NBN c*ck up.

    If you don't like reading his blogs then there's at least one site out there that publishes meterial that aligns with your twisted views. Some people refer to it as NowWeAreTalking(BS)

    Reality Check - OPTUS is a FRAUD. Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113635)

    Article should be called, U.S shows what Wimax could be like in Aus.

    OPEL was just sheer fraud.

    Leveraging the name and Possible future of WIMAX mobile.

    1/ OPEL to run wimax on 5.8Ghz public spectrum- Huge mistake

    2/ “crop circle’ design range – Big OBVIOUS lie.

    3/ Spectrum deal with Austar was done way after Opel won tender!

    4/ Spectrum deal with Austar left out 70 % of Aust. Population!

    5/Spectrum deal with Austar was not bedded down. See earlier Unwired /Austar deal.

    6/OPEL planning on old redundant WIMAX Fixed not Wimax Mobile.

    7/ . . 8/ . . 9/ . . . etc . etc. Etc.

    Maybe next time Optus might try a plan with the right spectrum in the right range in the right places. Or screw up it like they're screwing up their mobile network because they don’t have enough spectrum.
    Or is that fact not clear enough for you yet.

    @Reality Check Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113641)

    "1/ OPEL to run wimax on 5.8Ghz public spectrum "

    And what exactly is the problem with using public spectrum? Interferance you might say? I doubt Opel would have had to worry about having competing WiMax networks in Balgo NT congesting with the spectrum

    "2/ �crop circle� design range � Big OBVIOUS lie. "

    A bit obvious lie to who? Who exactly besides Telstra was overly critical of Opel? I was one of those who stood to benefit of actually having access to a broadband service where I lived, but now I'll have to stick with dial-up on my pair-gain Telstra line.

    "3/ Spectrum deal with Austar was done way after Opel won tender!"

    And why does this even matter? Opel had a contract where they were to provide coverage to a specific percentage of the population regardless. The fact that they bought access to additional spectrum after winning the tender means nothing.

    4/ Spectrum deal with Austar left out 70 % of Aust. Population!

    I call BS

    6/OPEL planning on old redundant WIMAX Fixed not Wimax Mobile.

    I'm begining to wonder if you even know anything about WiMax. As the previous posted has suggested NWAT may be a good place for you to post because it looks like this is where you're getting your information from. If you did know anything then be aware at the time that Fixed WiMax was, and quite possible still is the only viable option as very little hardware is currently available for Mobile WiMax. Also Fixed WiMax suits its designed purpose absolutely fine in that it's only limitation is its inability to hold an uninterrupted connection when switching between base stations. As Opel's proposal was providing a fixed line replacement this poses no issues.

    "Maybe next time Optus might try a plan with the right spectrum in the right range in the right places. Or screw up it like they're screwing up their mobile network because they don�t have enough spectrum.
    Or is that fact not clear enough for you yet."

    You clearly have no clue do you?

    Optus is Baldrick - "My Lord I have a cunning Plan" Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113645)

    So Opel is not fraud. ther're just waiting for the right moment before taking the govt to court for robbing them and backing out of the agreemnet to give Opel $946 million Dollars.

    Yep ther're holding back waiting to pounce, its all a ploy. Yep, they have a cunning plan !!

    Or is Optus just a little busy trying and failing to prop up their basic Mobile Network. Oh and hiding from that minor embarassment !

    You deceiving little bunny's crack me up.

    @Optus is Baldrick Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113651)

    "Or is Optus just a little busy trying and failing to prop up their basic Mobile Network. Oh and hiding from that minor embarassment ! "

    Or perhaps Optus didn't forecast on Telstra's plans being so sh*t that they'd end up with over 90% of the iPhone market share, which for the record is close to becoming the highest sold mobile device in history in this country.

    Optus - Our failure isdue to Telstra charging too much !! Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113657)

    Even starting from that obvious fabrication of 90%, It seems you dont need to worry for much longer, as that issue is being rebalanced very very fast.

    By the way, iphone world network survey, Its official Optus THE WORST IN THE WORLD !

    p.s. How's that finance coming along for that Terria NBN bid . . . . . have you returned eough bottles for the 5c deposit

    I call your a Moron or a Liar - Which do you prefer. Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113645)

    4/ Spectrum deal with Austar left out 70 % of Aust. Population!

    "I call BS "

    Austar have no spectrum in ALL the capital cities and newcastle and Geelong and Huge slabs of W.A. And Qld.

    And so Optus/ Opel would also miss out.

    That why Austar had a deal with Unwired for service in the cities.

    They cant even roam on Unwired' Wimax network in the cities (if and when its built) because they are rolling out Wimax mobile.

    I think its you my friend who has no clue or as I suspect is just a dirty little deceiving liar.

    Baltimore Orioles Anonymous -- 07/10/08

    The current Orioles have only been playing in Baltimore since 1954. The Orioles you are refering to became the New York Yankees in 1903.

    Here, I must defer David Braue -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113633)

    You clearly have more baseball facts in your head than I!

    With a bit more research I see that you are right, and I have learnt something today. It appears Baltimore did not actually have a team from 1903 to 1954 because NYC took it from them and nobody gave one back for 51 years.

    Of the Orioles that are playing now, Wikipedia offers this:

    "One of the American League's eight charter franchises, the club was established as a major league club in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in 1901. The Milwaukee Brewers (not to be confused with the current Milwaukee Brewers) moved to St. Louis in 1902 and became the St. Louis Browns. After more than five decades in St. Louis, in 1954 the Browns moved to Baltimore and assumed the nickname Orioles, the traditional nickname of various Baltimore baseball clubs."

    Come on guys Corsair -- 07/10/08

    I find it interesting that people are calling OPEL a fraud but have not said the same about the failure that is Stephen Conroy (he is multiple levels of incompetence and idiocy all rolled into one) and the sham of the NBN.

    I would also find it no surprise if Telstra won the bid since they are quite clearly in bed with the Labor Government. I would also find it no surprise that the resultant cost of rolling out such a network at the hands of Telstra will be nice and expensive and with a bunch of unreleased capacity - just the way Telstra like it.

    Don't believe me? Look at the rule that Telstra apply to ADSL2/ADSL2+ which basically says - unless someone else comes in and starts it up (Internode/iinet/etc) we aren't going to enable it.

    Oh yeah - don't forget their head is Sol. Seriously - that guy has a history of failure.

    Out of date Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113648)

    Telstra ditched the ADSL2+ hold up earlier this year. Telstra won't take any money from the Government.

    sigh, use your brain Paul -- 08/10/08 (in reply to #320113648)

    In reference to the moronic comment above, why the hell would Telstra enable their ADSL 2 service if it means that their opposition can take a free ride on their equiptment. Don't even start.

    If the other ISPs were any better they would have rolled out their own DSLAMS heaps earlier.

    Can't say much about the NBN being less than a sham because its gone on for too long, but realistically, how are you going to compensate telstra for the loss of the CAN? since the government did, regardless of any other fact, sell it as part of the business.

    This means that the NBN was doomed to be dragged out forever and a day from the start.

    Regardless of your personal opinion of Stephen Conroy, he's still 500% more clued in than helen coonan was, so I personally think that he's a step in the right direction.

    And come on, when you resort to bagging the CEO, who regardless of the fact that you dislike him, has brought telstra at least 5 awards over the past couple of years.. that doesnt really constitute a history of failure.

    Of course WiMax is the technology of choice Anonymous -- 07/10/08

    There is no doubt that WiMax is a great technology for wireless broadband and it will be deployed in Australian cities. And in regional areas the cost that needs subsidy is the cost of backhaul, not the cost of WiMax in a town.

    However the Government was right to can the OPEL contract simply on the basis that OPEL was not offering to provide the coverage of the premises they tendered for - for the Government to have done otherwise would be the greater outrage.

    And at the point of awarding the contract OPEL was promoting the use of the class-licensed spectrum - and this was the technology choice Senator Conroy criticised.

    Finally, nothing in the NBN tender specifies what the technology has to be from the node to the customer - on that basis a WiMax network qualifies as Fibre to the Node.

    Enough with the conspiracy theories Anonymous -- 07/10/08 (in reply to #320113649)

    "However the Government was right to can the OPEL contract simply on the basis that OPEL was not offering to provide the coverage of the premises they tendered for - for the Government to have done otherwise would be the greater outrage."

    At last some sense! Despite the politics, Conroy knew he had to honour the legal contract if Opel could deliver. Fact is they couldn't (as now can be seen in their lousy 3G network) and all because of the usual Optus mix of incompetence and Singtel being stingy with the money.

    Enough of the conspiracy theories - MARKED AS SPAM BY AKISMET Anonymous -- 08/10/08

    "However the Government was right to can the OPEL contract simply on the basis that OPEL was not offering to provide the coverage of the premises they tendered for - for the Government to have done otherwise would be the greater outrage."

    At last some sense! Despite the politics, Conroy knew he had to honour the legal contract if Opel could deliver. Fact is they couldn't (as now can be seen in their lousy 3G network) and all because of the usual Optus mix of incompetence and Singtel being stingy with the money.

    Ideal is not ideal Rex Alfie Lee -- 09/10/08

    Senator Conroy is possibly more switched about what WiMAX actually means. When he confronted Senator Coonan in a debate about wireless networking he certainly showed how little Coonan knew when she didn't get that WiMAX may be 20Meg/sec but that 20Meg is shared between each user & reduces per connection. Don't get me wrong because without a great deal of clout Coonan managed to hold sway over Telstra to some degree. Telstra needs to be punished for delivering the crappy service they have so far & the abuse of the customers by this bunch of cretins.

    Whilst I don't believe that fibre-optic is the entire answer it doesn't enable massive load capacity that no other service can provide at this time. The problem with this massive capacity is that iit requires a massive installation as well. Most large businesses like hospitals, software shops, Gov't installations require massive links. Most of us do not. A 10 meg/second download is pretty much quicker than we can view in HD & beyond that what do we need it for. Once the fibre-optic is in place why not have WiMAX to deliver the link to the doorway. I cannot comprehend 10 million household fibre-optic links being anything that we as a national community can afford to build or maintain. Leave the last kilometre to the airways & make the installation incredibly cheaper than fibre-optic to the door.

    As above Rex Alfie Lee -- 09/10/08 (in reply to #320113844)

    Sorry, I didn't rrealise that WiMax had increased to 30MBps but it doesn't change my view one iota. The service requires both, not one or the other. FTTN is far too expensive to go all the way but provides in the gigabytes per second which is a little more that current wireless (spot the sarcasm). It would still be divided between users & slows down because of this.

    Why wouldn't Mr Smarty up above offer the links he was requested? I think he had no such links & was called on his bluff & made a turkey of himself. Gobble, gobble, gobble - goose.

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