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Telstra's 100Mbps: The great PSTN robbery

Posted by David Braue @ 9:33 56 comments

If necessity is the mother of invention, Telstra is quickly closing in on "octomom" Nadya Suleman in the maternity stakes.

Since it was unceremoniously ejected from the NBN tender process, Telstra has fought a plummeting share price; the departure of its COO and pending departure of its CEO; ongoing union problems; and a myriad of other issues.

The company has countered these issues with a flurry of announcements trumpeting its innovation: in the past month alone, we've had announcements about Telstra's contactless mobile technology, the seemingly useful Voice2Text service that converts voicemails to text messages; a major roll-out of big-bucks telepresence gear, the boost of Next G to 21Mbps, and an escape from the IT services business with its sale of Kaz.

Yes, Telstra is firing on all cylinders — and no more so than with its intention to boost its hybrid fibre-coax (HFC) network to 100Mbps (for up to 1 million Melbourne residents, to start with) by Christmas.

Telstra won't be claiming a world first, as it did with the Next-G upgrade; 100Mbps services were already widely available when I lived in Singapore back in 2006, for example, and they're now on offer in several countries. However, nobody outside Telstra's marketing department cares about world firsts anyway: people want services that are reliable, strong-performing, cost-effective, and most of all available.

This latest announcement is a poison pill that will have Telstra rolling in dough while the government and NBN winner fund an FttN roll-out through Australia's least-populated (and least profitable) geographical areas.

Knee-jerk reaction to Telstra's announcement has been that its cable network leaves the NBN in the dust. Yet comparisons between the two networks are poorly informed for two reasons: (1) 12Mbps is not the speed of the NBN, but a minimum specification that Senator Conroy has long indicated bidders are free to exceed; and (2) Telstra's HFC network only reaches capital cities, and is therefore utterly irrelevant to the rest of the country. The NBN's purpose is to set a new common denominator for internet access nationwide, not to be the be-all and end-all that renders better services irrelevant.

That said, Telstra's cable will have an impact on the market. That's because the schism between government and Telstra is widening as Telstra focuses on differentiating parts of its infrastructure that aren't subject to competitive concerns and legal wrangling. This latest announcement is a poison pill that will have Telstra rolling in dough while the government and NBN winner fund an FttN roll-out through Australia's least-populated (and least profitable) geographical areas.

While the NBN worries about reach, Telstra will focus its efforts on making money — and on sabotaging the NBN's value proposition wherever possible. Or something like that, judging by Trujillo's comments during a conference call with analysts and journalists on Tuesday. Telstra's strategy, Trujillo conceded, includes the steady abandonment of the local loop, control over which it has spent years defending.

"We can essentially replicate the [landline] services and features that we have today, but we're going to take them to another level where we think we can go on this platform," Trujillo said, referring to the PSTN-on-cable offering as "PSTN-plus". "There are customers on ADSL2+ in this footprint, and customers on PSTN in this footprint," he explained. "Our strategy will be aimed at moving people across to these better, new services to give them far more value for money."

If I may translate loosely, PSTN in Trujillo's new parlance seems to be short for "Permanently Stuck with Telstra Now". Cable is, after all, inherently a stranding technique: it delivers TV, broadband and landline-equivalent services over a single wire and obviates the need for an actual landline service. Customers may have copper running into their house, but if customers are taking services via cable Telstra has little interest in keeping that copper serviceable.

If I may translate loosely, PSTN in Trujillo's new parlance seems to be short for Permanently Stuck with Telstra Now.

The spectre of PSTN-plus represents a major problem for competitors. After all, if customers can get all the communications services you need from one provider — including the PSTN connection and standard phone service owned by Telstra for decades — why bother even considering other providers?

In taking this approach, Telstra is set to repeat the major battles between cable and telephony operators in the US, where cable operators began providing local voice services and stonewalled when competitors lobbied for access to cable networks to target customers with competitive offerings.

By taking up to 2.5 million of Australia's most profitable households off the PSTN, Telstra's reborn HFC interest will remove those customers from the PSTN debate entirely. After all, Telstra can do whatever it wants with its HFC network: Optus has its own, as Trujillo pointed out, so concerns about monopolistic control no longer apply. Telstra thus has strong ground from which to argue against efforts to gain access to its customers — who will, in theory, be so rapt with their ultra-fast broadband that they won't care about the NBN anyways.

And what of the 7 million or so households that aren't on Telstra's network? Tough luck, it would seem, for now, and business as usual.

Roll-outs of both Telstra's network and Optus' (which also passes several million homes, many of them also served by Telstra) ground to a halt years ago and neither company has promoted their cable services heavily, given the focus on ADSL and ADSL2+ for most of this decade. But with Telstra breathing new life into its HFC network, Optus will face pressure to respond in kind (although its initial reaction was negative) — and customers may well begin lobbying Telstra (and recalcitrant local councils) to extend the network.

None of this kills the case for the NBN, as some observers have speculated, but it does complicate things by potentially taking many NBN customers off the market. Telstra's competitors will no doubt undercut it on price as they have always done, but with the potential for intelligent service bundling and an enforceable infrastructure monopoly it's clear that Telstra is far from out of the game when it comes to next-generation infrastructure.

What do you think? Will 100Mbps be enough to switch you to Telstra? Will new HFC investment leave the PSTN to atrophy?

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Talkback 56 comments

    Go away Sol Anonymous -- 12/03/09

    No way, if it takes this much pressure from Gov't and community to get Telstra into doing what it's now doing in Melbourne - too little way too late.. so help us all, our economy and our future

    Telstra are yesterday's news, Sol - go away

    Not a chance Steve -- 12/03/09

    I don't care if Telstra offer me a 10Gb/s fat pipe with unlimited bandwidth at $5.00 a month - there's no way I'd use them for any communications service after what I've been through at their hands... bunch of bloody crooks!

    Not a chance Anonymous -- 12/03/09 (in reply to #320125462)

    Steve just because the scenario you suggest will never happen does not been you can lay down a heap of BS about not accepting it. Give me a $5 10Gig open pipe any day and I'll accept it. Even if I have to shake Sols gland

    It's in the details. Anonymous -- 12/03/09

    itemised local calls on the monthly bill, where's telstra on that one? stuck in the 1940s.

    Telstra is useless Anonymous -- 12/03/09

    I am stuck on RIM-CMUX infrastructure and Telstra Wholesale has shaped my ADSL1 connection to 5KB/sec every single night due to backhaul congestion. How is Telstra's HFC network going to help me? Are they now going to lay cable in my street?

    I pine for Virgin Cable like I had in London... Anonymous -- 12/03/09

    Having paid only £19.90 per month for a Virgin cable service that bundled TV, landline and all you eat Internet, there is no doubt that no matter the technology Down Under, we are being ripped off.

    And based on Telstra's pricing history, the cable might be 100 Mbps, but you'll only be able to use it for twenty nanoseconds a month before you've blown your - OH SO EXPENSIVE - usage plan and they start to syphon your retirement fund directly from your bank account.

    So, yea for us plebs, stuck in a 1990s Internet timewarp while Sol gets to revise that Nero fellow, fiddle and all.

    I pine for Virgin Cable like I had in London... Anonymous -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125488)

    You could go back to London, I guess ?

    I pine for Virgin Cable like I had in London... Anonymous -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125488)

    How manys times does England fit into Australia?? Bit of a scale and cabling length comparing the two don't you think??

    Who Cares Thomas -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125748)

    Piner is right.

    Geography pays no part in Australian Metropolitan areas. There is the population to sustain the already existing infrastructure, so unless your're talking rural, this argument holds zero water.

    Telstra has always been able to switch on higher speeds. Literally, with the flick of a switch.

    @Who cares. Anonymous -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125750)

    Nice ignoring of the facts Thomas.

    There is said to be 7.7 million people living in London, within an area of just 1500km2 and a population of almost 12 million in the London urban sprawl. As opposed to just over 4 million in Sydney, with area at 12,000kms2. So Sydney has about one third the population, but is also about 8 times the size!

    But since you wish to ignore area, not even taking comparative area into consideration (which of course we most obviously should, because of the cheaper construction and maintenance costs), just going by population alone, you tell me which area would be able to sustain cheaper prices? From a strictly business perspective, taking the hate factor out and ignoring whether it is Telstra, Optus, BT or whoever supplying - Sydney or London?

    I'll give you a clue, it begins with L and not S.

    What switch is that? manpageman -- 26/03/09 (in reply to #320125750)

    What switch would need to be flicked to increase speeds? The DOCSIS 3.0 switch?

    That switch doesn't exist. Go read the standards. Different hardware for the customer and the provider.

    How many times does England fit into Australia? Anonymous -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125748)

    How many times does Australia fit into Canada, where we already have all the bundled services as described? Not only that, here in a small town in the Rocky Mountains (Kimberley), there's the competitive option of cable (Shaw), high speed landline (Telus) and Satellite (Bell).

    Don't kid yourself Telstra

    Re how many Anonymous -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125977)

    Umm how close is Canada to the US.

    Rolling out millions of miles of cable to do the US, just keep going up into Canada. Done.

    Might get a little wet doing that to Australia.

    Don't kid yourself.

    How many times does England fit into Australia? Ted Bolton -- 19/03/09 (in reply to #320126012)

    http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1399866

    I can't see any mention of the US - nor any similarity to Australia's Telstra backwater - if you're looking for wet!

    HAH! Agent -- 12/03/09

    100/2Mbit with uploads counted and 12GB of data.. sounds almost as delicious as a tiramisu made from the brow sweat of chinese labourers..
    I think I'll stay with my TPG 8/1Mbit ADSL2+ and continue uploading 200GB+/month thanks.

    No PSTN comments?..This is the main reason Telstra are excluded from the NBN. Their anti-competitive behaviour makes it quite clear they'd turn any national network into another monopoly. By undermining competitors with their own greed they're in fact digging themselves a deeper hole than they're already in. It's a good 7ft now.. can't even see Sol's head anymore, just a flurry of dirt and the odd sighting of a shovel.

    Now.. the way I see it there are two options which should have been considered a long LONG time ago.
    1. The government forcibly buys back the entire copper network as part of the NBN deal.
    2. We roll out FTTH instead of FTTN.
    Either way, Telstra lose their line rental and any dependence on them at all. Ofcourse, both of these options are expensive, so if they become necessary.. Telstra should be banned from renting/using the NBN for our inconvenience. =)

    Plans will need to change Terry -- 12/03/09

    Unless the plans change I don't really see who will benefit from the extra speed. Anyone who wants to use it at it's full potential will run out of usage on Telstra's current plans rapidly and your average "mum and dad" user may just see their pages and emails come down quicker, but in the scheme of things whether they wait 1 second or 2 seconds to see a page would mean little to most of them.

    Ultimately if Telstra don't change their plan sets and add a lot of extra usage then this upgrade won't affect the NBN at all.

    That is unless they are planning on doing video rentals/video on demand directly to Telstra customers via the cable network with uncounted data. That may make an impact, but in today's economic climate you won't find too many people jumping ISPs to sit under a contract plan period with limited data/excess usage fees for other uses.

    Why all this noise M0TT -- 13/03/09

    I find it entertaining to peruse all the tripe that is written about Telstra on the various ZDNet Blogs and articles.

    It seems to me that most of the knockers have gone to another supplier (where they can) - I applaud this move - its called market forces in a free market economy - and it proves that competition does exist in the market place.

    So why is Telstra still in business if they provide services that are over priced, bad service to their customers and no services in some areas????

    Where are they getting their revenue if so many people are not using their services??

    If you read the postings in a different light - you could say that all the knockers actually want to use Telstra - and they really want to help Telstra get better by providing feedback on their products and services in the hope that one day - Telstra will change enough - so that will feel comfortable being a customer.

    Or you could make the observation that people are jealous of the services that Telstra provides - as a commercial organisation - for profit and benefit of their shareholders - which the other suppliers have to provide at a smaller margin to keep in the game.

    Anyway - I thank you one and all for the joy and wonder you give me in your postings.

    Tall poppy syndrome David Braunless -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125552)

    Mott, they will complain about Telstra, their poor customer service, high prices, long times in queues, low share price, high share price, too fast, too slow, not enough coverage, too much coverage, what they did to my great grandfather 40 years ago, not replacing my mobile that I dropped in concrete for free, Indian call centers, anti-unionism and much much much more until they are no longer the largest carrier, which may never happen, then it will be an attack on the other company using the same lines and wishing they were able to get the same service as they did with Telstra.

    David is without a doubt one of the most openly bias professionals out there, he hides behind this "blog" because his rantings would be dismissed and he would be out of work if he tried to pass them off as real news stories.

    And your closing comment is spot on; reading this cr@p is a great source of humor and provides evidence that the old saying "you learn something new every day" doesn't apply to everyone.

    @Why all this noise Jason -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125552)

    Very interesting view M0TT.

    A bit of perspective please Francis -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125552)

    Telstra owns the infrastructure. Its single-minded focus on delivering profit (which it laughably calls shareholder value, though just look at its share price) by abusing this ownership raises costs across the board to taxpayers and customers of all ISPs.

    Telstra leaves no stone unturned to delay and inconvenience the government and the industry in pursuit of profit. This is perfectly reasonable and predictable behaviour when you have a monopoly over something which everyone needs access to.

    Now THAT is the reason for all the noise, MOTT.

    And it is the reason why no real change will occur until the exchanges and the trenches to every home are back in public hands.

    MOTT Simon -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125552)

    I'm likely one of those knockers you mention, who would use Telstra gladly if they changed their game. I still remember the pride I had in Telecom all those years ago when TRL led the world and NDC could build anything.
    However, I'm getting to the point where I no longer care. Australia is so far behind our trading competitors its unlikely we will ever catch up. My view is that the govt caused this but Telstra threw ethics out the window to take advantage of stupid politicians and ignorant Australians. Rather than step up at a time of national vulnerability, Telstra decided to shaft everyone.

    @Why all this noise Terry -- 14/03/09 (in reply to #320125552)

    "So why is Telstra still in business if they provide services that are over priced, bad service to their customers and no services in some areas???? "

    They own the last mile infrastructure, ie. the copper. The cost to replace this is prohibitive, and that's why companies are turning to other delivery methods like wireless.

    "Where are they getting their revenue if so many people are not using their services?? "

    As above, they own the infrastructure, so all those DSL customers of other companies are indirectly paying Telstra to use the copper, and adding all of those customers together makes a huge number.

    I'm currently no Telstra fan but I have used their cable service in the past and had no issues with it. My problem is they are way too overpriced and aggressive in the current marketplace and concentrate more on their shareholders than the customer.

    PSTN-plus or PSTN-less Phil Wait -- 13/03/09

    I was interested to read in ZD-Net that Telstra is contemplating “taking up to 2.5 million of Australia's most profitable households off the PSTN” and offering PSTN-on-cable, termed PSTN-plus. Trujillo is quoted as saying, "Our strategy will be aimed at moving people across to these better, new services to give them far more value for money."
    All very nice and will offer great new ways to communicate, and probably spark a myriad of new applications and services many of which haven’t even been thought of, but how closely will the new simulated PSTN mirror the functionality of the old fashioned bullet proof PSTN?
    What about all the services and the millions of existing pieces of equipment that rely on sending and receiving old fashioned slow speed modem data or DTMF tones. We’re not talking multimedia, entertainment, or 100Mb downloads here, we’re talking about point-of-sale terminals, security alarms, medical alarms, remote control applications, even phone banking and bill payment services, all sending minute amounts of slow speed data over the existing PSTN, sometimes from the remotest of locations.
    Nowadays the carriers call them “legacy technologies” which is a nice way of saying they probably won’t be supported in the future, but there are millions of them.
    Take medical alarms for instance, where granny wears a pendant to call for help. They have been around since about 1980 and there are at least several hundred thousand in use by our aged Australians right now. Like security alarms, they communicate using (typically) 80ms long DTMF tones or slow speed FSK, but will they work in the future? (BT’s CN21 network trials in Cardiff Wales put lots of them off-air and they’re still trying to work around the problems). Will our new networks allow for the accurate transmission of this type of data? What exactly, other than simple voice, are we going to be able to feed down a simulated PSTN connection on somebody’s access box, which according to Sol most homes may eventually have? Has ACMA got anything to say about this?
    Ah I hear you say, go IP, or go wireless. But this is granny we’re talking about here and she already pays about $1 per day for the medical alarm service and won’t pay any more for network access. She may have broadband, but her router and modem won’t be battery backed-up, certainly not to match the typically 40-70 hours of a medical alarm. “Think of the things we could automatically monitor, like her environment and her state of health”, I hear you say, but again who will pay for all this monitoring equipment and data analysis. Our health system is already broke.
    The PSTN is 99.99% reliable and has provided a communications medium for a huge variety of critical low speed low data rate applications, generally termed “machine to machine.” Are our future networks going to continue to support these types of devices, or is Sol’s PSTN-plus destined to be PSTN-less?

    PSTN Anonymous -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125587)

    I thought PSTN was 99.999% uptime? Second rate services like tcp/IP are 99.99%. Also, what about the lifeline services that saved many lives a few weeks back in Vic bushfires - operating hours after the power went down??

    What about FAX? Anonymous -- 14/03/09 (in reply to #320125587)

    Doesn't FAX use fairly low speed FSK. What about the FAX machines?

    PSTN Anonymous -- 13/03/09

    If you can get 99.99% you're doing well...must be Telstra!

    I thought the cellphone towers and the exchanges burnt down in the bushfire areas. For one guy I know his only contact with the outside world was via his ham radio.

    no technology is perfect Edward Jacobsen -- 14/03/09

    i'd rather have an emergency pendant hooked up to a 3g network receiving priority airwaves lol. stuff having a faulty line and waiting for it to be fixed

    Chairman Mao doesn't live here. Sydney Lawrence -- 14/03/09

    The complaints against Telstra are for various reasons. No doubt some are genuine but I would think most have a devious connection.

    Opponents of Telstra by their propaganda hope to damage Telstra for their own financial gain. That's fair enough but what is untruthful is their claim that the NBN roll-out will bring costs down and be cheaper for Australians.

    How can a service that will cost upwards of 15 billion dollars be supplied cheaper than a system that is currently in operation and offers faster speeds.

    The hope that competition can be eliminated, opponents customers forced to transfer and opponents equipment confiscated just can't happen in a country like Australia.

    If it did we would see a monopoly situation where without the possibility of introduction of new technology, Australians would remain a backwater in tele-communication for twenty years.

    We have Chairman Sol and his remaining Amigos instead Mel Sommersberg -- 14/03/09 (in reply to #320125657)

    Due to the fact that we have only one telecommunications network and the owner of that network also wants to dearly control a second one Australia is already a communications backwater. Take off the blinkers Sydney. Surely you can see by looking at a few statistics that Australia's Internet speeds are far slower than other nations, including many where wages and working conditions aren't as good as they are for people living here.

    Why does this continue to be the case? Labor are a pack of dimwitted morons with no vision and no drive to make the nation succeed and become a communications leader and Telstra wants to own, run and control everything.

    @Chairman Mao doesn't live here. Terry -- 14/03/09 (in reply to #320125657)

    Just a couple of your points..

    "How can a service that will cost upwards of 15 billion dollars be supplied cheaper than a system that is currently in operation and offers faster speeds."

    I presume you are talking about the Telstra HFC network, which unfortunately even after its upgrade to DOCSIS 3 can't be compared to the NBN, it just doesn't have anything like the same footprint. Even comparing NextG won't work since its realistic speeds are still far below what the minimum NBN specs are and what the NBN could potentially do.

    "The hope that competition can be eliminated, opponents customers forced to transfer and opponents equipment confiscated just can't happen in a country like Australia."

    The NBN proposal is to encourage competition, with all carriers able to gain access on a fair and equal standing.

    "If it did we would see a monopoly situation where without the possibility of introduction of new technology, Australians would remain a backwater in tele-communication for twenty years."

    The only monopoly in telecommunications at this point in time in Australia is the last mile copper delivery owned by Telstra. The NBN may or may not utilise this copper (at a fair reimbursement to Telstra, fair being arguable since I believe Telstra may have already written the copper off) or it may use another method. But the actual backend of the NBN will be managed separately with all carriers having equal and fair access to it.

    I would have to agree with Mel, take the blinkers off Sydney, it's one thing to be completely pro a company and it's another to spread incorrect and bias information off as truth to promote your beliefs.

    Telstra NO WAY Anonymous -- 14/03/09

    Telstra have no idea about quality services, they treat you worse than the rodents that live in pstn exchanges, least the rodents get aircon.

    We got rid off telstra years ago and have saved thousands of dollars in the process.

    Why would you support a yank CEO.

    Telstra NO WAY Anonymous -- 16/03/09 (in reply to #320125665)

    Are you xenophobic?

    You sound so intelligent Simon -- 16/03/09 (in reply to #320125665)

    Coming back with such an intelligent remark as "Why would you support a yank CEO." is the most dimwitted flippant remark I have ever heard, sure be angry and Sol, but slamming all yanks into one basket makes you as backward as those PSTN exchanges you mention.
    Simon the Aussie with 'yank' friends.
    Now back to the real issue here.... I cannot see how anyone, like 'em or hate 'em (Telstra) can be against Telstra improving their own existing network, how the heck can this be a bad thing? It's a great move forward, Telstra are not forcing anyone to using it, just as they aren't now, nothing is changing apart from giving some city dwellers higher speeds should they want them.

    To Telstra or Not to Tesltra Dodo Girl Give Finger To TELSTRA -- 14/03/09

    I have only ever used Telstra with their mobile services once and never again I got shafted on my bills, calls that I never made showed up with numbers that I didn't dial from my phone.

    Since then I have been a loyal DODO customer and have had no issues at all with them

    Dream on but the truth dawns. Sydney Lawrence -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125666)

    Good one Dodo Girl and you endorse my point excellently.
    We all have our bias and agenda.

    Also Terry, who while promoting his interests fails to answer my points. I ask again, how can Telstra opponents claim Telstra needs to be restrained to allow competitors to gain the advantage with the promise of cheaper services for Australians?

    O.K. give the Telstra opponents $4.7 billion to build their NBN but let Telstra be free to supply competition and allow Australians to have some control over our vital communication system. Concerning cost to customers the promise of a cheaper service than Telstra is deceptive in the extreme considering the 15 billion NBN cost.

    The NBN will be a disaster for the Australian taxpayer. And when the minnows burn through the taxpayers $4.7 billion they will be into the taxpayers pocket again for a top-up. If the Rudd Government is silly enough (which I doubt) to damage Telstra and restrict competition Australians can sit back and watch the turmoil.

    @Dream on but the truth dawns. Terry -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125713)

    "Also Terry, who while promoting his interests fails to answer my points. I ask again, how can Telstra opponents claim Telstra needs to be restrained to allow competitors to gain the advantage with the promise of cheaper services for Australians?"

    My interests oddly enough are for a backbone infrastructure network that all carriers have open and fair access to. I'm not really sure what the issue with that is, but ignoring that for a second and getting to your second point.

    The NBN proposal to hold back Telstra is to prevent overbuild such as what happened with the Optus/Telstra HFC networks, all that happened in that case is Telstra more or less replicated exactly what Optus was installing/had installed. There was no or very little installation on top of that. The idea behind the NBN proposal is to prevent Telstra (or any other carrier) from merely replicating parts of what the NBN will be and to instead invest their monies in other ways, this would help prevent against unnecessary network overbuild and also mean that newer technologies can be trialled. Personally I don't see what the major issue with that is.

    Open competition must be allowed. Sydney Lawrence -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125727)

    Totally agree Terry. Let those who wish, get the taxpayer $4.7 billion and build their system ( which incidentally is overbuilding Telstra's system) and then let competition begin.

    But what you want to do is ban all competition to the new NBN. Doesn't seem fair to me.

    @Open competition must be allowed. Terry -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125729)

    It's not an overbuild of Telstra's network, the NBN is a step upwards from that not a parallel step sideways. And no one is talking about preventing competition, the overbuild protection is merely to prevent the money being spent on the NBN from going to waste.

    As per above the problem with the HFC rollout was that we ended up with replicated networks in certain areas and none at all in others, and due to the replication the revenue vs cost wasn't worth continuing rolling out for Optus, and in turn Telstra stopped as well.

    The last thing we want is for a similar thing to happen to the NBN and we merely end up with a small footprint that has duplicated high speed networks and the rest of the country untouched.

    sad reality Anonymous -- 28/03/09 (in reply to #320125666)

    the sad reality is that if you check the consumer satisfaction reports you'll see that for its headcount, dodo has more complaints than any other carrier.

    I've even been told by a mate who's level 3 support there to "never use dodo"

    When a family member tried to hook up with them in a regional area, they didnt even submit the order to wholesale, then lied about it and claimed that "it was an exchange appointment, call back if its not working by 5.00pm" which obviously is knock off time for them.

    When calling back to dodo to see why the "exchange connection didnt go through" the customer loyalty gentleman said "I'll be honest with you, the order was never submitted to wholesale"

    He then offered several months free off the phone and free connection.

    After waiting another week for a technician, my relative called again. This time he was told that his order had been cancelled on the last time they called in.

    Top notch dodo girl.

    Switch to Telstra? You've got to be kidding... Tracy Hawes -- 15/03/09

    I'd rather stick razor blades in my eyes than be a Telstra customer. Only proof of a massive improvement in customer service combined with excellents services on offer would cause me to CONSIDER switching... I think I'll see pigs fly first.....

    Advance Australia fair. Sydney Lawrence -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125737)

    Tracy pardon me but you do sound a little unbalanced. The razor blades would be rather nasty. Anyhow, stand by for massive improvement in Telstra service and technology upgrades as Telstra roll-out their super fast broadband.

    Retreat! Simon -- 16/03/09 (in reply to #320125740)

    The HFC upgrade is hardly a massive improvement. It helps none of the millions of Austyralians in desparate need of affordable internet and communications. If they were rolling out new HFC to 2.5 million households then that would be fantastic. TheTelstra strategy for the HFC rollout, was an indication of things to come and set the scene for the next 15 years. How sad that good Australians try to defend Teltra's actions.

    Switch Anonymous -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125737)

    Tracy, how ya gonna see the pigs fly with those razor blades in your eyes?

    What about the Outback? Anonymous -- 15/03/09

    The major problem people have with Telstra is not actually with Telstra. The majority of the outrage should be with the government for allowing the copper infrastructure to be privatized. Telstra is just doing, as far as I can tell, what companies do - trying to make money.

    I don't know if I'm for or against NBN. Great on the government if they can keep it fair and competetive, but we already have a major case -being Telstra- saying they can't. Then we, the consumer, suffer for it.

    In the outback, it would be a nice change of pace to not have to go with Telstra to be hooked up to the local exchange (with copper - most new houses built here have something telstra customer service calls "optical" - not really sure but I think they meant fibre) before we can even get ADSL, ADSL2 if we're lucky.

    It would be nice if someone with a bit of technical knowledge was elected for once.

    i agree with terry's comment from way above... joe -- 15/03/09

    i skipped most of the other comments as telstra bashing/loving has devolved into an attempt to show who has the biggest... but terry's 1st comment on the article struck me, mum and dad users, you know the 1's who are basically all of telstra customer base couldnt give a sh** whether they wait 1 or 2 seconds for their webpage/email to load, the only way 100Mbps is going to differentiate itself from ADSL1's 512k is media, whether streaming, dowloading, pirating what have you, and telstra's current usage plans, even on the 'media mans choice' 24mbps is laughable and is shot in less than 10 youtube clips, let alone a HD movie... telstras going to have to seriously revamp its view on internet limits VS speed if it wishes to do anything in a hopefully soon to be competitive market

    open question to forum peoples... what can you do with 100Mbps that you cant do on 24Mbps?? (lol, this is just a nice open question, for my own learing curisoty and the such)

    Go Telstra. Anonymous -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125751)

    Telstra users do it faster.

    The Great Terry Houdini perhaps? Anonymous -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125751)

    Yes I've noticed Terry's comments too.

    He deserves credit, because he is certainly very adapt at covering his absolute anti-Telstra agenda, behind a great waffle of words.

    But when broken down, he is really, no less biased than Sydney Lawrence, just much better at disguising the fact.

    @The great Anonymous -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125756)

    Oops, adept not adapt!

    @The Great Terry Houdini perhaps? Terry -- 15/03/09 (in reply to #320125756)

    "He deserves credit, because he is certainly very adapt at covering his absolute anti-Telstra agenda, behind a great waffle of words."

    Anti-Telstra? My issue with Telstra stems from the fact they are a wholesale provider and then they compete with their wholesale customers at a commercial level. And they continually try to bump their wholesale prices (ie. the recent push to increase ULL sale prices) for even more profit, they seem to be entirely focused on what is best for their shareholder and not on what is best for Australia.

    I've used Telstra cable in the past and had no issues and it was a good fast service, right now though I've recently moved and have no access to cable of any description and am on Telstra wholesale using TPG's 1500/256 80GB plan (for comparison the same speed on Telstra for same price is 12GB). I rarely call support so I base my cost on usage/speed, and I'll go to any ISP (Telstra inclusive) who could do better for me than what I'm on now.

    Put simply, I'm not anti-Telstra, but I'm not pro-Telstra either, in fact I don't really think I'm pro-anyone.

    @@The great Anonymous -- 16/03/09 (in reply to #320125761)

    Gee after that let me now say - Terry deserves credit, because he is certainly very adept at covering his absolute anti-Telstra agenda, behind a great waffle of words.

    Look, who cares if you hateTelstra? Say it loud and say it proud but at least be honest with yourself, even if you aren't with us.

    100 over 24? Anonymous -- 16/03/09 (in reply to #320125751)

    You can seriously brag to all those millions of people still forced to use dialup. You can stream analog video signals. Bit hard to say without understanding the underlying infrastructure.. if upload is restricted to 2Mbps then I imagine it would be the same regardless..

    Do more - sorry Anonymous -- 17/03/09 (in reply to #320125751)

    Unfortunately the speed issue quickly dies off as you creep above 1Mbps. The greatest factor hitting Australians has nothing to do with speed but is the fact that the majority of the content is in other countries.

    Do a google search for an article titled "it's the latency, stupid". It's fairly old but outlines the issues that will continue to hamper networks even at 10 gigabits per second and above.

    Put simply, the delay between you and the server on the other side of the planet can't be shortenned no matter how big and fast you make the pipe. Australia in not a content rich nation in terms of the internet and there isn't a WAN accelerator big enough to handle the entire country (yet).

    Good luck, enjoy your bandwidth, it's pretty much all marketting hype and technically not worth a pinch...

    telstra is a classic monopoly Anonymous -- 15/03/09

    This is a a good thing - with the potential to damage telstra's monopoly and destroy its false reputation.

    HFC ?? Yeah right! I'm rural and will not see this technology Mark M -- 17/03/09

    Yeah right ... HFC is for the major cities

    I'm still ADSL not even a look in for ADSL2+ and yet i'm only 40 mins from Nowra (Sth Coast NSW) 3.5hrs from Sydney and in an area that should be considered 40,000 + population
    Telstra needs to grow a life and support all the regional/rural customers that have had nothing but the basics at a high cost.
    At least i have ADSL coz 2 years ago i was running a computer business on DIALUP .. what a joke.
    Best thing was we got a local McDonalds and free WI-FI ... WOW pitty i have to buy a hamburger or coffee to enjoy the privilage!

    HFC .. the real issue is simple! Mark M -- 17/03/09

    Hey dont we all understand that Telstras agenda is very simple
    Own the exchanges, forget landlines and servicing the old copper ... dont spend anything on upgrading a copper core. Have all customers lose their homelines and give them all a Next G mobile with broadband plan.
    We all know that Telstra is only interested in owning the exchasges, charging the throuput to its compeditors and sit back and rake it in.
    Then up the Yellow Pages advertising rates each year and add web content at a price and structure bigpond as a PREMIUM SERVICE PROVIDER.
    Keep the shareholders happy or not coz CEO gets the package of a lifetime ... first Frank Blunt .. then give it an Aussies (Ziggy) and then pop in another EX-US CEO and give him a pay packet that makes Aust trade deficit jump thru hoops.
    Once upon a time PMG/Telcom and OTC was the envy of all overseas countries ... NOW we are seen as a dinosaur in the Telco industry. Only those countries that have nothing to lose use telstra as their lifeline coz these countries are support by the world bank!
    Since the 1990 Telecom/Telstra has been on the nose!
    I say bring on the VOIP technology

    Telstra - Poor Customer Service Anonymous -- 01/10/09

    The most frustrating thing about dealing with Telstra is that there is no way to deal with a complant about them with out going to the TCO

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