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In CDMA hubbub, don't forget the broadband

Posted by David Braue @ 8:00 65 comments

Last week, a family friend rang for some technical help. "Telstra sold me this wireless Internet service and they promised it would work both at my home and at my office," he said. Said home is in the Melbourne CBD, and said office is in Kyneton, a lovely town about an hour away from Melbourne.

Finding that most 3G mobile services hadn't quite blanketed the greater Kyneton area with ultra-fast bandwidth -- or any bandwidth at all -- he had gone to Telstra to see what they could do for him. He explained to them that he needed a good-speed Internet connection while at the Kyneton office, and they assured him that the carrier's Next G wireless network would do the trick.

Perhaps, it turns out, they were thinking of another Kyneton. Despite his best efforts, Next G has failed to deliver the promised service; the modem can sporadically detect the network, but only when he's standing on his head, on the roof, notebook strategically balanced on one foot and arms askew to improve reception. This, as you can imagine, is inherently risky for your average grandfather. And even then, he's still a long way from actually being able to check his e-mail.

I'm sure he's not alone. Next G has been the subject of relentless enthusiasm by cost-conscious Telstra executives, healthy scepticism by media observers and CDMA users and -- quietly expressed over coffee with Telstra technical types -- concerns that the company has just pushed this whole Next G thing too hard, too fast.

And that, for a network that will be the sole conduit for voice and broadband into many rural areas, just can't be the right way to go about things. Hence Stephen Conroy's decision this week not to let Telstra shut off its CDMA mobile network, which was a lifeline for rural residents introduced years ago to replace the analog network.

In putting on the handbrake, Conroy has reiterated that Australians' fear Next G will leave them high and dry without any mobile coverage at all (that is, until Optus and Vodafone start filling in their rural networks later this year).

Telstra will of course whinge to the skies about Conroy's decision, but such is the burden of being the sole operator in such a vast part of the country.

What I'd like to know, however, is why nobody is talking about Next G's broadband capabilities. Discussions of Next G coverage seem to focus exclusively on the network's ability to deliver phone calls, but Next G's role as a broadband network -- something Telstra has promoted heavily in advertisements lauding the network's high speed -- is far from a priority.

Given that Next G will inherit a near monopoly on rural voice and broadband services, it is important that coverage be not only strong enough to carry a voice signal, but also to allow decent-speed data connections.

Back in 2004, after all, Telstra's wireless state-of-the-art was CDMA 1xRTT, which delivered maximum data speeds of 144Kbps to mobile users wherever the CDMA network reached. Next G, like other 3G networks, boosts this by several times (although real-life throughput is usually much lower).

Will areas with marginal Next G coverage -- Kyneton or any of a thousand other places around the country -- enjoy similar data performance over Next G? Will Telstra be required to demonstrate adequate data performance just as it is being required to demonstrate CDMA equivalence before that network can be shut off?

If Senator Conroy really wants to improve service delivery to rural Australians, he should mandate that the network deliver a minimum data speed as well. It won't make him any friends at Telstra, of course -- not that he has many right now, given the recent legal odium directed at him and the government as Telstra's legal bulldogs take up with him the fight they started with Conroy's predecessor Helen Coonan over funding to the OPEL venture. Telstra is also airing grievances with the ACCC's long-awaited decision to fix the price of Unconditioned Local Loop Service and Line Sharing Service well below what Telstra wants.

American companies' penchant for suing each other is well-known, but Telstra's habit of litigating against the government must truly be reaching record levels. In true American style, perhaps someone should consider a customer class action if Telstra is found to be overpromising and under-delivering when it comes to Next G.

In the meantime, Telstra will eventually get its way and rural Australia will have to be happy with whatever service it can squeeze from Next G.

As for my friend in Kyneton, perhaps I should just refer him to the hotline that Telstra has set up for aggrieved Next G customers.

Telstra Country Wide group managing director, Geoff Booth, referred to the hotline's target audience as "the small number of customers experiencing genuine problems" and stated the possibility of physical coverage testing. But my friend's problem is simple: there's just no coverage. And, because his problem relates to a data service -- the speed of which has been a major selling point in Telstra's Next G marketing -- one wonders whether Telstra will even bother listening to his problems.

Rather than pushing complex legal cases that will ultimately fail and paying millions in legal fees, shouldn't Telstra just get on with the business of improving Next G's coverage? That includes data services as well as phone calls, Big T.

My broadband-starved friend in Kyneton, and hundreds of thousands more, are waiting.

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Talkback 65 comments

    Internet 3G access Matt -- 24/01/08

    Not enogh information - did they use an external antenna (which is available for 3G internet cards>??)
    did they explain where in Kyneton they were located to the sales person (its a big area - hills and dips - whicj affect coverage of any radio spectrum signal?
    do they live in a corrugated iron house - walls?? roof??
    lots of variables and not explained or canvassed by your veneer thin article. This is trhwe sort of reporting that fuels the debate instead of informing it.

    caveat emptor Ian Bond -- 24/01/08

    Matt's comment above is perfectly valid - there ARE too many variables in the reception of phone signals. There ARE to many lies, deceits, spin-doctored half-truths, and very few TRUE facts.

    BUT ...

    My experience is that I (having done my homework and research) know much more than the average Telstra sales person who is struggling in all but the "Bling" side of the NextG service. They are in shops in towns where signal strength isn't usually a problem. They know how to change ringtones, take photos & mms them to friends etc, etc. Very few actually would KNOW about the variables Matt correctly referred to, let alone be bothered to ASK the customer for more details before making a recommendation.

    Therein lies the problem (pun intended). I am rapidly comming to the conclusion that Telstra is actually believing all the 'lies' their spin doctors have been pushing for quite a while now. How many people know that 98% of the Australian population (what Telstra actually claims) is nowhere near the same as 98% of Australia (what a vast majority of the average population actually think)? Same goes for data speeds - NO-ONE will ever get close to the maximum theoretical data download speeds now, let alone when all and sundry are using the system. (We recently experienced a constant 300kbps with a 3.6Mbps enabled phone = data speed throttled by Telstra?)

    It's no surprise to me that there are very smart people in rural areas who are either getting Telstra reps to bring a car load of phones, car kits, aerials out to their properties and having Telstra PROVE the phone they will buy WILL work as promised or getting a loan of phones and doing the testing themselves.

    I feel that's the moral of David Braue's report - let the buyer beware - don't trust anyone - particularly a sales person who is on a commission. Make Telstra PROVE their claims.

    Remember: "a verbal promise isn't worth the paper it's written on".

    Telstra Next G coverage superior Anonymous -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094178)

    Have you checked out Telstra's 3G coverage compared to that of Optus/Vodafone/3 ? While all Telstra's competitors only provide 3G coverage in the dense population areas, Telstra is providing coverage to large sections of the country. In fact Telstra 3G coverage has over 100 times the 3G coverage of their nearest competitor.
    According to the stats there are about 3800 CDMA bases and Next G has over 6000 bases, so is providing a lot more coverage than CDMA.
    If you can't get Telstra 3G coverage, I doubt you can get any other company providing 3G services to that area

    Ahh.. Anonymous -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094204)

    I see the NWAT propaganda posters are out again. Your post even manages to read like an advertisement.

    All I provided was factual network data... Brendan Haymes (RF Design Engineer) -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094239)

    For your info, i'm an RF Design Engineer who likes to keep a close eye on how all mobile networks around the world are performing. So I am more than qualified to make my comments. And all you can provide is some unless anti-Telstra comment. I'm willing to obtain more data for you if you like to prove my comment that Telstra's 3G network is far better than any of their competitors in Australia. What data can you provide me to support you useless arguement?

    Re: Ahh... SJT -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094239)

    Oh look, there's even a few "anonyomous", professional, Hel$tra haters here too! But interestingly, only a few! As each forum crops up, there are clearly less and less of your strange "one eyed" ilk my friend! Seems some people are finally waking up, but not you hey - "die Hel$tra" - LOL!

    Amazing Ahh.. Anonymous -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094239)

    You have no comeback other then to call someone a Telstra supporter?

    Maybe it's the users hardware? Chris -- 24/01/08

    Recently, when catching the train from Bendigo to Melbourne (Kyneton is one of the towns on this route), a VLine ticket inspector offered the use of her Next G phone to a disgruntled passenger who couldn't get reception on the Optus network. The ticket inspector said that they used Next G because they had coverage for the whole route, which can be from Melbourne to Swan Hill or Echuca.

    Matt raises a number of good points, there are many, many factors involved with wireless broadband and Telstra may be doing their best. I hate siding with them, but sorry, it's probably not their fault.

    TELSTRA JUST SUCK! Anonymous -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094189)

    Try Point Cook, a suburb a mere 23kms from the CBD, it cant get ADSL in 50% of the suburb (no ports, rims etc), and wireless coverage is poor to none. If Telstra cant even get it right in a suburb of Melbourne, how is the country ever going to fare?

    Broadband to who they want Luke -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094191)

    The reason why Stephen Conroy's report does not mention broadband is that it was never part of the AMPS network and for CDMA it was a added on extra essentially all they are required to do is provide coverage equivalency for voice

    When will people learn that Tetstra or any of the other carrier's provide broadband to whoever they want when ever they want its all about profits, its not like there is a USO covering broadband. Your lucky that half of point cook has ADSL, CDMA and Next G should be fine perhaps you have issues with GSM

    No Broadband in the burbs! Normandy -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094197)

    If you have done some research Luke, you may find it interesting to note that the Western Suburbs of Melbourne, has one of the worst issues (more than some areas rural Victoria) in connecting to broadband, CDMA & Next G are also black-spots in those areas, thus many residents are stuck in the dark ages with no access to the internet! Dial up is no longer a viable method to connecting to the internet and its time Telstra started to realize this instead of using the tired old excuses. Its also time the NEW Government started doing something about what is a basic service of today's society in 2008! There is a USO for broadband, see the Governments site about the broadband guarantee http://www.dbcde.gov.au/communications_for_business/funding_programs__and__support/broadband_guarantee

    Luke Luke -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094229)

    Thats not a USO, Telstra can't be bound by that unlike the fixed line USO so in this case no it doesnt really apply. It's more like a incentive (roll out broadband here and we will give you funding)

    As usual someone who wants to bag Telstra with no facts Another persone who will not show their name -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094191)

    Will you stick to a subject.

    Can I expect you to go to the 777 plane crase story and start blaming Telstra soon?

    Point Cook needs help now! Normandy -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094191)

    good to see some other voices about Point Cook.

    See this thread for the amount of problems there

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=477262&p=-1#bottom

    Different kettle of fish Craig Middleton (BigPond Corporate Affairs) -- 24/01/08

    Hi avid,

    Our original wireless broadband service was based on EVDO but its deployment was not unbiquitous across the CDMA network, so it is not comparable to the migration of customers from CDMA to NextG handsets.

    In fact EVDO was limited to the major cities and a handful of major regional centres. So there is no question the coverage is far superior with the Next G service. I should also add two other salient points:

    - All EVDO wireless broadband customers have been given a Next G card

    - We have a range of antennaes which boost the reception.

    My personal experience, staying on a property just over the Blue Mountains is that a 3dB gain antennae took me from no wireless coverage to 2.5Mbps. So people like your family friend should investigate an external antennae ASAP.

    Sorry for the type Anonymous -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094199)

    Hi David,

    .....

    External antennae David Braue -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094200)

    Thanks Craig, I will suggest that he look into it. This is the kind of education that Telstra needs to make sure is readily available to people in rural areas, as the first impulse of many people suffering coverage problems is to blame the network. Education at the retail level -- and widespread advertising of available support resource -- will go a long way towards normalising expectations.

    Out of interest, will Telstra be offering a coverage map showing Next-G data speeds as opposed to mobile coverage areas? I presume, as I suggested in the piece, that they are not necessarily the same?

    Data speeds hard to map Brendan Haymes (RF Design Engineer) -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094289)

    Hi David,
    It is harder to provide coverage maps for network data speeds. HSDPA works by distributing the radio resources among all the users on a particular mobile base station. The more concurrent users, the slower the speeds, up to a particular limit. So at peak usage times, expect the data speeds to be slower.
    Of course other factors affect data speeds such as available signal level and quality which is impacted by various levels of clutter in an area. Less signal strength is lossed passing through glass, than something like a metal shed.
    Currently with the spectrum Telstra own, the WCDMA frequency is next to the CDMA frequency. I suspect that when CDMA is turned off, there will be less interference with the WCDMA network, creating a stronger signal and thus greater coverage area. Another benefit is that Telstra could use the CDMA frequency to increase the capacity of the network.
    Thanks for the article.

    WOW David and Jo Should Hook Up Harry Jones -- 24/01/08

    Between David and Jo's blatant anti Telstra attitude how could anyone take this site seriously anymore?

    The way this article is written appeard to be designed to place Telstra in the worst possible light, to a novice they may be stupid enough to believe your garbage but trying to push lines about Optus and Vodaphone exceeding the network coverage or 1xRTT being better then HSPA (D or U) is the ultimate indication you are less informed then the same Telstra shop workers you are attacking.

    Read it again please David Braue -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094209)

    I was not trying to say Optus and Vodafone have better coverage than Telstra -- nobody would believe this in a second and I don't think it's true -- but to make reference to both carriers' stated commitment to filling out their own 3G networks over the course of this year. If you visit the stories I linked to, you'll note their stated ambitions. Much of this is to catch up with Next-G's coverage so I don't expect they will necessarily expand on its coverage for some time now.

    Also, I'm not sure what vein I struck but I'm certainly not attacking Telstra shop workers -- they are just doing their job in selling a service according to parameters and information they have been given.

    My point is that, as many people are discovering, those parameters clearly aren't as accurate as Telstra would like the world to believe. As Telstra is the only operator of mobile phone services in many of these areas, its use of these parameters to justify disconnecting CDMA needs to be questioned very carefully.

    use of these parameters Harry Jones -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094288)

    Telstra use available resources and statistics to make any claim, Telstra constantly highlights points to consider including handset types and possible need for an external aerial. If anything they have gone further out of their way then they should have to ensure the message (and the network) gets out to as many people as possible.

    If you can find one outright lie in any of Telstra's publications then your argument will hold ground. The only thing that anyone could find was that stupid ACCC ruling about "everywhere you need it" advertising which was an obvious witch hunt by the ACCC and the other carriers who raised the complaint in the first place.

    The fact that Telstra has built a voice mobile network that allows data coverage has always been a bonus, if this was part of the legislated requirements then why was this not considered as part of the broadband guarantee and why was Opel chosen to provide a wireless network that would duplicate services and provide under 40% of the Next G footprint?

    With CDMA Telstra saw a commercial benefit in providing data across the network (as a bonus to clients) and with Next G they have simply extended this to provide more coverage and greater performance, despite your claim of "although real-life throughput is usually much lower".

    We do not live in a perfect world where everyone will be better off tomorrow then they were yesterday, this may be true for 99.5% of people but the exponential cost and effort to increase this to 99.6%, 99.7% or 100% is sometimes unjustifiable although it appears in Telstra's case expected. There are about 6,000 base stations covering almost 99% or the population, if life was that simple they could add 61 more base stations and increase this to 100%.

    Re: use of these parameters (Harry Jones) Martin Hamilton -- 30/01/08 (in reply to #320094296)

    "...why was Opel chosen to provide a wireless network that would duplicate services...?

    What services would Opel duplicate? Telstra's? If so, then isn't that just competition in the marketplace?

    another NWAT Anonymous -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094209)

    they're all after us! blame the journos!

    or......alternatively....telstra are ****

    Fair? Anonymous -- 24/01/08

    Article is pretty good at pointing out that where Telstra thinks it has coverage, they don't. I think that is what a majority of customers are annoyed at - they get told one thing and reality is another.

    If external antennae's are required then surely the customer should be prompted for these at point of sale given Telstra would make more profit out of the extra hardware sales?

    What a PR/engineering opportunity Telstra are wasting! If a customer complains they can't get reception then surely Telstra should be plotting this stuff on a map - here take this little GPS unit and a couple of handsets and tell us what's good/not - compare it to their plans and figure out which towers are underpowered etc!

    Uninformed Telstra Rep Here Sebastian -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094218)

    In reply to Fair?; All new 7.2 bigpond devices are being sold with a 3db antenna boosting coverage. And antennas boosting the already existing stock have been available for quite some time now.

    There has also been a number of literature distributed to Telstra shops in regard to information about antenna gain. I feel this has higher penetration in regional stores than city stores, which I feel the most number of "uninformed" staff seem to originate.

    Most of this talk in the media degrading the Telstra service can be justified in some cases though for the most part it is just hype. I even saw a local newspaper showing a customer holding a phone searching for coverage. Underneath the caption read the customer was unable to get next g coverage, she was holding a CDMA phone. A bit physically impossible no?

    Returning to the broadband debate, why should Telstra be forced to have mandatory regulations put in place for minimum speeds? In simple economic terms, this will never insure affordable and available broadband. The only way is through competition, but it seems the competitors will never step up to this task, they are simply only turning their average GSM coverage to 3G not expanding as was mentioned in the article.

    They are doing this Edward Higgins -- 24/01/08 (in reply to #320094218)

    When I bought my mobile phone I walked into a Telstra shop and mentioned I do a lot of rural driving and needed a good handset to replace my mext G phone, they offered me a phone that also had a suitable car kit. From April last year I have had 3 locations where I could not make calls, each time I logged a report on their web site and each time I got seceral e-mails confirming device, location and in two of these they took action to fix, on the third they said the area was not in a planned coverage area which was ok because it was in the middle of nowhere on a secondary road 40 or 50km from any other people and when I drove from another 10 minutes I got reception again. I see the reports of people complaining but do any of these people actually lodge a complaint through the correct channels? I have no complaints with the next g network and if anything my one handset performed much better then my old CDMA phone for voice and and data card for my laptop computer.

    All will be well with Next G. Sydney Lawrence -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094228)

    Edward Higgins how refreshing to read your informative report and also to see you present your bonafides by the inclusion of your identity.

    As is always the case with the extension of world cutting edge technology ( thanks Senator Conroy) the Next G Network will experience some teething problems. It is to be expected.

    This problem will be rectified by Telstra, with the excellent guidance of Senator Conroy, and all with genuine reception problems should contact Telstra for resolution before the agreed date of the CDMA turnoff.

    Next G Anonymous -- 24/01/08

    The regionals have their problems with Next G but its not just confined to those remote areas.
    Living 900 metres from the Telstra Tower and from a major Sydney suburban station I cant get Next g 75-80% of the time. Callers are always getting out of range or turned off messages. CDMA was fine as are signals from other mobile cariers. But NExt G is just not up to scratch

    Not happy about coverage? Then report it! Brendan Haymes (RF Design Engineer) -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094233)

    I have found a website where you can lodge a complaint about Telstra coverage:
    http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/networks/feedback.cfm

    If you are unhappy with your mobile coverage I suggest rather than whinging, you do something about it and see if Telstra are willing to assist. If they are not, then you have a right to whinge.

    It might be possible to get reception in Kyneton Anonymous -- 25/01/08

    I'd would advise your friend to try out the external antenna. We have a property out past Redesdale (about 30kms past Kyneton) and just manage 1 bar of signal with it... They might be lucky!

    Great to hear David Braue -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094278)

    He also said he can occasionally manage a tiny bit of reception but it is not enough to actually make and keep a connection. What kind of data speeds and/or phone reception do you get?

    Article too subjective Anonymous -- 25/01/08

    what a totally subjective article. if you're gonna be a journalist at least be professional about it. just because your friend cannot get reception in an area does not require you to write a totally subjective negative article to help him vent his anger.

    you talk about all those neglected people out there with no coverage and are totally unsatisfied with telstra, what about all those customers out there that are satisified and happy with what telstra provides?

    it's time you stop bagging out telstra and start writing objective articles or it's back to school for you!!!

    This is the blog section of ZDNet David Braue -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094280)

    Not the news section. It is meant to be a place for subjective, opinion based commentary relating to current events in the industry.

    It is also meant to provoke thought, highlight areas that are important to consider, and perhaps -- by drawing out the opinions and experiences of other people -- to, in some small way, help to shape the direction of things to come.

    That is my purpose with these posts, nothing more, nothing less. And, judging by the large number of comments to this post, I consider it to be a roaring success. Kudos to all for your involvement -- keep it up!

    Are you a reporter? Carlos -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094294)

    Any reporter who has the respect of their audience will never allow themselves to be seen as holding any bias in their field of reporting. This may be a simple blog but the content radiates a message about you that will make people question the motives behind every other communications related story you contribute to.

    Re: Article too subjective SJT -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094280)

    My friend you are dead right, imho. Unfortunately though, it has been demonstrated that the only way to stir up emotions and receive feedback/comments, particularly trom the mindless Hel$tra hater (and then the forthcoming replies from the humans) is simply by bagging Telstra. Over the last week or so, in other online publications, there have been articles which are criticizing Virgin, WiMAX etc with very few comments (apart from mine - LOL). So obviously, the old trusty sensationalist, "let's bag Telstra no matter what approach", is one which will be continued from those without journalistic integrity and skill!

    another NWAT Anonymous -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094299)

    they're all after us! blame the journos!

    or......alternatively....telstra are ****

    accept it deal with it move on

    another TTTT Anonymous -- 25/01/08 (in reply to #320094305)

    they're all after us! blame the journos!

    or......alternatively....telstra are great

    accept it deal with it move on

    Now what will you say?

    Re another TTTT SJT -- 26/01/08 (in reply to #320094317)

    My friend you are an absolute legend. Concise, to the point comment, which well and truly puts the previous mindless and pointless comment in its place. Kudos.

    C'mon, it takes two to tango Sean -- 26/01/08 (in reply to #320094299)

    SJT, is it possible in your view of the world that journalists may write articles critical of your beloved paymaster, Telstra? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a dyed in the wool Telstra hater, BUT I do see that there is a strong conflict at Telstra between providing a premium service for customers and maximising returns for shareholders (in certain circumstances these may be mutually exclusive). Under Sol's leadership, shareholder returns rule the roost (and it no doubt helps Sol's bonus). So when customers fall down the cracks, figuratively speaking, is it right to have this brought to the attention of the public at large? Personally I think so, as I feel the only way to learn from your mistakes is to have someone point out your mistakes. You may not like what other people say, but it's always good to learn from them, no matter how superior you feel yourself to be.

    Despite what some Telstra huggers have said on here, NextG is not a perfect service, it never will be for all users. There will always be radio shadows, some suprisingly close to major regional centers which will be uneconomic to deal with. There lies the key phrase "uneconomic to deal with". Telstra are not going to spend 10's or 100's of thousands of shareholders money to upgrade/provide service for relatively small numbers of affected customers (this includes transient users), if the return on that "investment" isn't realised in a reasonable timeframe. And because it isn't perfect, there will always be people complaining that the service doesn't meet the standard the commission junkie/sale rep promised in the shop.

    It's just at the moment there are large amounts of people being fairly vocal about the failings of the integrated NextG network, but by Senator Conroy and Telstra's (current) thinking this is mainly a handset issue-let's hope they are on the right track.

    And Harry Jones, you should be thankful the ACCC did their advertisement "witch hunt". As removing that ad removed a group of people that would have brought the service, found out the promise wasn't true "everywhere you need it". Thereby stopping another vocal group of potential "Hel$tra hater(s)". Some "setbacks" are actually blessings in disguise.

    Re: two to tango SJT -- 26/01/08 (in reply to #320094334)

    Sean you are right, it does take two to tango and Telstra aren't perfect - no one, or no company is! All I ask is for a litlle jounalistic protocol. Has that been lost in translation or is it too much to expect?

    Sure, if Telstra are doing something wrong report it as such. But... for a supposed unbiased reporter hiding behind "this is a blog" to say (hypothetically)Telstra - the greedy, monoplolistic, 800lb gorilla etc, shows a sensationalist mentality and lack of journalistic integrity "imho" - and I believe I am entitled to an opinion?

    As for maximising profits, that's what private companies do - and Telstra has now been privatised ... for the record I was "against" privatisation, but it's been done and now as a private company, Telstra is not a charity, like some wrongly assume they are and will be.

    Ooh, BTW, it's also unwise to make assumptions, Telstra are not my paymaster. As such, I won't make assuptions either and question you saying you aren't a Hel$tra hater! Cheers.

    Off the point? David Braue -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094348)

    Amazing that people are so polarised about Telstra -- like every company it does good things and bad things. You say we should report Telstra if it's doing something wrong. The Minister responsible for Telstra's activities has determined that the company is doing something wrong, and I've written about that as it pertains to a relevant personal experience.

    Wonderful that this has stirred up such feeling -- and it really is great to see so many people getting involved in this discussion! Just for my benefit, though, could someone please remind me, which part of this is sensationalist, biased, or lacking integrity? I don't recall ever using the words greedy, monopolistic, or 800lb gorilla - with all due respect, perhaps you're confusing this piece with something else you read online?

    Would you be saying the same things if I were talking up Telstra and dismissing the genuine concerns of those who will be affected by the Next-G switchover?

    Your story has bias undertones from start to finish Carlos -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094470)

    Reporting something that is wrong is one thing but stating:
    "In putting on the handbrake, Conroy has reiterated that Australians' fear Next G will leave them high and dry without any mobile coverage at all (that is, until Optus and Vodafone start filling in their rural networks later this year)." where we all know they will not even cover 33% of the land mass Telstra already has covered.
    or
    "Back in 2004, after all, Telstra's wireless state-of-the-art was CDMA 1xRTT, which delivered maximum data speeds of 144Kbps to mobile users wherever the CDMA network reached. Next G, like other 3G networks, boosts this by several times (although real-life throughput is usually much lower)" where the Next G throughput peaks at 3.6Mbps or 7.2Mbps compared to 144Kbps, that is more then a 20 fold increase, real life is more like 700Kbps compared with 60Kbps.
    or
    "Telstra will eventually get its way and rural Australia will have to be happy with whatever service it can squeeze from Next G", although you didn't say it directly this screams greedy, monopolistic, 800lb gorilla
    or
    "the modem can sporadically detect the network, but only when he's standing on his head, on the roof, notebook strategically balanced on one foot and arms askew to improve reception", sarcasm through and through

    You are an industry writer and should know better then to confuse a commercial offering compared with a USO obligation, the ability to make a voice telephone call is the only aspect of the CDMA to Next G transition that is covered under the USO, Telstra offered data services with CDMA due to the commercial returns and is doing the same with Next G.

    I also note that for someone who wants to attack Telstra on such a personal level you provide no facts, what type of modem, is an external antenna used, have you gone beyond walking into a Telstra shop to ask a young retail clerk and actually lodged the complaint with Telstra's own coverage support areas?

    Your writing standards (for, against or indifferent towards Telstra or any other company) have to rate as some of worst I have ever seen from a professional journalist and I apologise to anyone I may have offended by calling David professional or a journalist.

    Re: Off the point! SJT -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094470)

    Thank you Carlos (re: your story has biased) I couldnt have put it better - kudos. But just to reiterate on my own behalf! David, theres no need to get all defensive on us now, because you pander to the He$tra haters and this time came up empty handed. Like Carlos, I believe your whole article wreaked of anti-Telstra sentiment and if you can't see that, well you are perhaps even more biased than I first thought or than you even realize yourself? You also noticed that I did as you did and 'sensationalised my comment' by adding greedy, monopolistic giant, 800lb gorilla and you jumped on it. You have the hide to criticize the amateur writers, sensationalist comments, yet pretend that your sensationalist comments are either credible, professional journalistic interpretation or non-sensationalist comments at all. LOL! Difference is and for the record my comments were and I quote - 'for a supposed unbiased reporter hiding behind this is a blog, to say (HYPOTHETICALLY) Telstra - the greedy, monopolistic, 800lb gorilla etc, shows a sensationalist mentality and lack of journalistic integrity, IMHO'. Now you did notice the word 'hypothetically'? In other words you werent actually accused of saying these exact words, but again like you, I was simply sensationalising your negative implications towards Telstra. It's not nice to be victim of sensationalism is it? My friend, like it or not, argue all you like, but this is MY HUMBLE OPINION of your article and again I am entitled to an opinion, even if its not in line with your crony Hel$tra haters - arent I? Likewise, with all due respect David, you ask, would I be saying the same things if you were talking up Telstra? Very simple answer, I have never seen you do so, so I would not know - pigs might fly I believe it is referred to! But please feel free to prove me wrong! I dare you - LOL!

    Witch hunt? Chris -- 26/01/08 (in reply to #320094334)

    you say the removal of the advertising was a blessing in disguise. I lodged a complaint with the ACCC based on the same criteria used against Telstra and to date, 5 months later, I have not even had a response. The company was Toshiba, they had an ad on bulletin boards in Sydney CBD, their web site and in publications that stated "weighs nothing, does everything" for one of their laptops. If the ACCC was not only focused on Telstra then I would have seen at least a one line e-mail saying thankyou we are investigating.

    Rules are rules and they should apply to everyone but in Australia today we are experiencing the Telstra's and the not-Telstra's, Telstra's are regulated, regulated and regulated regardless of the justification and not-Telstra's are those who seem to do anything they feel like even if it contradicts what is needed in the real world and are often rewarded for doing it ... such as the donation to Opel and providing access to the copper for less then it costs to maintain.

    Re: witch hunt SJT -- 26/01/08 (in reply to #320094353)

    Yes indeed Chris! There's others closer to home too - Crazy John's and iiNet both say "we built our own networks" - as far as I know they threw a few DSLAM's into Telstra's exchanges - hardly building their own networks! Also, iPrimus had a full page ad in NRMA's Open Road, where they state "The speed you need with a huge 5GB download allowance". If the Telstra words "anywhere you need it" (from memory - please don't hang me if the words were slightly different) are legally incorrect, then these words surely are as well? After all, how do they know the speed I, you or anyone else "needs" and really, suggesting 5GB is huge??? But apparently it's us who are wrong - we are nothing but conspiracy theorists - LOL!

    What about faxes? Iain -- 27/01/08

    Next G fixed wireless terminals - often used to replace a fixed line phone service - do not by default support a fax service. The CDMA ones do. In order to get a fax service working, you'd best have a T.38 fax over IP gateway somewhere else on the Internet and connected by a real landline to the POTS, or you're stuck for faxing. Oh, and a substantial data cap on your Next G service, since that's how your faxes will inevitably have to go out to the world.

    Telstra have a workaround for customers covered by the Universal Service Obligation, but not for the rest of us (e.g. those of us working in remote areas but not deemed to need a phone under the auspices of the USO). Moreover, there are presently no plans to resolve this problem.

    The problem is due to the fact that Next G is entirely packet switched, and the codecs used for transmission of voice don't support a high enough level of timing precision for faxes to get through.

    This seems to be a major oversight, and highlights to me that the Next G network is not a true and complete replacement for the older CDMA network.

    Not sure if this can help Edwin -- 28/01/08 (in reply to #320094399)

    There is a service I heard about called Wireless Link, this may be the USO service you mentioned but I made some inquiries for a remote site and I was told that that could handle voice over the sim card, data via the next g and also using the sim card you could use fax. There are two things I found out when making inquiries, the USO only covers voice transmission and anything else comes down to commercial return. With the internet side of things this is a separate government initiative and was open equally to all companies that were willing to invest in rural areas, I don't know what has happened to this as I think all the money was funneled into that Liberal / Optus / Elders debacle.

    A very interesting point David Braue -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094399)

    This is an excellent point -- particularly since fax is endemic to businesses of all sizes, everywhere -- particularly small businesses.

    Anybody else out there that has run into this problem and can offer some advice as to how to work around it? Could Internet faxing be a solution? Will we see a surge in Next-G complaints when people using the CDMA services wake up one day and find the lack of fax services has brought their businesses to a halt?

    Re: What about faxes? Martin Hamilton -- 30/01/08 (in reply to #320094399)

    Erm, doesn't NextG support e-mail? Why do people still need a fax service as well?

    Fax Simon -- 31/01/08 (in reply to #320094599)

    Beacause fax is accepted as evidence under law and email does not. Every business knows this and uses fax to evidence contracts.

    Contracts require an original copy Simon Says -- 31/01/08 (in reply to #320094625)

    The letter of law requires an original copy of a contract so if we use your argument good old fashion snail mail is the only acceptable option. Problem solved.

    Next G, the trick to improving Data and Voice coverage Brie Player -- 29/01/08

    I work for a company that specialises in wireless solutions. including helping with increasing coverage and signal strength with Next G. Basically the network itself is good, however the signal obviously needs to improve as well as the quality of the handsets etc. we use external antennas (ranging from 3dBi to 9dBi) to boost the signal strength, and find that this makes a marked improvement in reception and signal strength.
    David, if you would like a solution to your friends problem get him to give me a call on 07 3205 7999. (we supply Australia wide) and i'm sure we have an antenna solution to help.
    We get alot of calls with similar problems, and have been able to help over 95% of our clients in providing them a solution that works.
    There are many things that effect coverage especially the environment that they are trying to recieve signal in as has been mentioned in posts above. Chosing the correct antenna to match the locations topography, and location variables is vital. Sometimes you can get away with a small portable antenna and other times a large roof mount is going to be the most beneficial. Unfortunately in the Antenna world.... SIze is ALWAYS in direct proportion to performance! (sorry guys LOL).
    I imagine there will come a time when the network coverage and the handsets/wireless cards utilised are improved to the point where external antennas are not as necessary. However Australia is a vast country........

    Still dont get it Simon -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094454)

    I understand that I am thick but theres a few things I just dont understand. The new 3G network needs external antennas to work? How is this better than CDMA? The new 3G network has just doubled my monthly bill, how is this an improvement? The general trend for technology is faster cheaper (Moores Law), except in this country where mobile costs increase and services get complicated.

    Come now, Simon Also thick -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094464)

    It's all very simple. We don't just need phones or faxes anymore. Telstra has done away with all that, bringing us a brand spanking new mobile network so we can get Foxtel on our handsets. Foxtel is TV, so all they're saying is that we have to plug in rabbit ears to get better reception. Even if all you want to do is make a phone call. Clear as day, right?

    Come now, Also Thick Anonymous -- 29/01/08 (in reply to #320094471)

    You've written this comment on your PC/Mac in, one would assume, the comfort of your own home, sent it here almost instantaneously, through e(lectronic)mail, via the internet/world wide web etc - all sounds pretty high tech! But I suppose you were one who not so long ago argued I don't need a computer, just give me a typewriter and paper? Yep, clear as day! But each to their own.

    but simon -- 30/01/08 (in reply to #320094492)

    ive had a computer since micro bee days and they have their place. I dont want and dont have any use for mobile content, but now have to pay more for an existing service. All so blokes can download their silly iphone games.

    Optus Customer Bullying Anonymous -- 31/01/08

    Mid to late October I received a call to be told Optus would be making an offer to migrate my phone to Optus direct network . I asked if this would affect my change to a new Internet provider . I was told it would not .

    I received a letter but didn’t read or reply as I wasn’t interested in accepting this offer and was happy on existing network ..

    Optus deems No Reply to be acceptance ! Does it work that way in date rape cases ? No means yes?

    December 13-2007 I disconnected my Broadband service from Optus. I changed my Internet to ADAM INTERNET December 14-2007

    January 18- 2008 I try to get onto my Internet provider ADAM INTERNET and when I cant , I call them and they tell me OPTUS has sent a disconnection order through !

    I rang Optus help desk many times after waiting for 20-30mins and was told that I "should have been told that I couldn’t have Internet with another provider " but they are sorry that they didn’t tell me – You need to go to another service provider now sir "

    I write to Paul Osullivan CEO of Optus on 21st January asking for help given the disgraceful level of service I have received from Optus Customer service .

    On January 24 I get told by a Customer Service Manager calling me on his behalf that I can go back to old network or leave Optus for Telstra . I was told Optus will pay my cancellation and reconnection fees or she can return me to Optus resale network .

    I tell her that I do not know what the fess I am now forced to pay are exactly and she advised that 25th January ( the next day ) she is going on leave . I ask if I can reply when she gets back from leave in 2 weeks ,as enquires and arrangements need to be made . She says it is ok .

    Today January 31st my pregnant wife rang to confirm costs and has been told we will have to pay all costs incurred by this change forced onto us by Optus without our consent .

    Optus forced us onto a non compatible network and now WE have to pay the FULL costs of changing .

    How many have they lied to , stonewalled and manipulated . Paul O'sullivan is laughing all the way to the bank .

    RE: Optus Customer Bullying Sebastian -- 02/02/08 (in reply to #320094687)

    I would refer you to contact the TIO, and lodge a complaint.

    http://www.tio.com.au/

    You can do this via webform or via phone. And also try to make a paper trail if it does escalate so you are covered when making your claim.

    Coverage Issues - Kyneton / Gisborne Matt -- 01/02/08

    Just an FYI - the local council (Macedon Ranges Shire Council) - as a result of lobbying from a small yet vocal group of local residents - refused a permit for Telstra to build a mobile phone tower in Gisborne as part of the 3G expansion exercise.

    ye reap what ye sow - some should pay more attention to local council and the power it has to control our lives.

    FLAME X O Luke. -- 02/02/08

    Carlos; where is your article so we can bag the crap out of it Mr Super Jurno.

    Optus Customer; err sucks about your raw deal, but why would you write to the CEO of a multinational company? Like he is just sitting there answering customer complaints all day, are you new to this planet?

    Customer comes first. Sydney Lawrence -- 02/02/08 (in reply to #320094814)

    Luke perhaps the Optus Customer believed that the Boss of Optus would have the ability and decency to quickly fix a customer problem. Obviously in the Optus case he can't and wont.

    May the force be with you Luke Carlos -- 02/02/08 (in reply to #320094814)

    Luke, I am a professional in what I do and in what I get paid for which is not writing for an IT news site, at no stage did I insinuate that I would make a better writer. To be honest I would probably make many of the same mistakes that I am attacking the writes on this site for making. I repeat I am not a professional writer; I do not profess to be one and would never expect to earn an income from writing.

    What I am saying is that when someone gets paid for doing something they should do it to the best of their abilities as well as within moral and legal guidelines. In the case of a respectable journalist writing for a respectable publication it is to provide an impartial, unbiased and factual story.

    This would lead me be to believe that either this publication encourages this type of writing and as such can not be treated as a trusted source of information and/or this journalist is not competent and should not continue to be published.

    ? Davo -- 04/02/08 (in reply to #320094833)

    Get a life, writers write what they want and if they're lucky, will be published. the fact so many people have responded kind of says this one has done a good job. I'd be very happy if I was the publisher.
    I also don't get this "for us or against us" attitude to Telstra. The real world dictates that any large organisation is a mix of good and bad. All companies, private or public look out for their own self interests. Their long term success depends on how well they service their customers.
    The unique situation in our telco market (Australia) is that Telstra has a monopoly hold on customer access. Imagine how it would be if the CommBank was the only customer access available for all other Banks? I'm sure it would suck. The villian here is the short sighted Australian Government that let this situation develop over 15 years.

    broadband in the country Keith Goode -- 06/03/08

    we have a problem in our community that we just can't afford the ever increasing costs of line rentals from telstra. so we have just started to run a pilot project with wireless internet and voip. the cost of the equipment will be 5 months line rental from telstra. maybe more local communities could do the same.

    Just be careful Roger Heath -- 06/03/08 (in reply to #320096866)

    Some VoIP solutions can not handle special call types, in particular 000. If there is a major problem and a caller using one of the VoIP services that do not present the correct address to 000 they will not be able to trace the call. Using a wireless service will only compound this concern. I just hope this choice does not end up costing a life in the same that some people claim the next g network caused in another bush location. I have reduced my line rental to the lowest call plan, around $20 per month and use VoIP over my ADSL for most calls but I have told my children to use the traditional phone if they need to call 000.

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