Full Duplex by David Braue

A view from the trenches of Australian telecommunications. As the name implies, it’s a two-way conversation and we ask you not to pull any punches ... we won’t.

From show pony to dead horse

Posted by David Braue @ 17:23 60 comments

One of the most basic tips given to people in media training is how to diffuse an uncomfortable situation or deflect an uncomfortable question. "Stay on message," executives are told, "and take control of the situation by steering the conversation to an area of strength."

We see examples of this everywhere in Australian telecommunications, especially as companies outside the NBN tender whip up their campaigns to command leadership of Australian telecoms.

Donald McGauchie

Donald McGauchie
(Credit: Telstra)

Consider Telstra chairman Donald McGauchie, who last week told journalists last week that they "have got to get over this obsession with" the NBN. Telstra has moved on, McGauchie was saying, as though the company really had not just wasted nearly four years and untold millions trying to build and control a next-generation fibre-based broadband network.

With that kind of dismissive contempt, Telstra's one-time NBN backers would be justified in questioning whether Telstra was ever committed to change — and feeling like a dumped wife who sees her ex-husband out with his secretary the day after the divorce.

Telstra's new darling is the newly accelerated Next G mobile network, which was recently pushed to 21Mbps in an announcement so ridden with hyperbole that the company actually got a representative of Guinness World Records to contribute a quotation that looked suspiciously like it came straight from the fingertips of Telstra marketing staff.

"I've witnessed amazing records around the globe, but this is the first time I've had the honour of announcing a record which delivers such tangible benefits to an entire nation," Guinness' Australian representative Chris Sheedy is quoted as saying.

Tangible? Pardon? Sheedy, who is apparently a journalist in his day job, should have anticipated that a statement like that would send the wheels on the Australian media's BS meters spinning uncontrollably.

If Guinness actually checked the pumped-up network will deliver — 550Kbps to 8Mbps real-world performance, I am told company spokespeople admitted at the press launch — perhaps Sheedy wouldn't be so enthusiastic to take a ride on Telstra's latest show pony. Speed is one of the least pressing issues facing Australian mobile users these days, and everybody but a determinedly on-message Telstra knows it.

Real-world speed considerations shouldn't be so glaring with the latest centrepiece of Internode's ongoing market repositioning: a fibre-to-the-home (FttH) service offering 25, 50 or 100Mbps speeds starting at $49.95 per month.

Sound good? Of course it does. Ready to sign up? Don't bother: unless you live in the new Queensland suburb of Redbank Plains — 32km south-west of Brisbane's CBD, Internode tells us — you'll have to wait.

Through its partnership with Hills Industries subsidiary OptiComm, Internode is planning a dozen other such projects at new housing estates in South Australia and elsewhere. Which is great news for a few thousand Australians, but does absolutely nothing to help the other 20 million or so of us who are waiting to get better broadband without having to actually move house.

If — like me — you are on that boat, don't look to Internode for leadership. The company already sold your future to Telstra, signing a reseller agreement that saw Internode all but abandon its DSLAM roll-outs to access Telstra's far more extensive ADSL2+ infrastructure. It's a surprising deal that Internode still hasn't bothered to explain despite my enquiries — but more on that another day.

Putting FttH in a few housing estates does little to address the fundamental problems facing our country's broadband strategy

Like every company, Internode wants to be seen as an industry leader and agenda-setter. Yet putting FttH in a few housing estates does little to address the fundamental problems facing our country's broadband strategy. Internode isn't taking this approach national, or even regionally; heck, it couldn't even cost-justify continuing to roll out its own DSLAMs. All the company is proving is that FttH technology does work — which we've known for years thanks to the likes of Canberra's TransACT and US telco Verizon.

The most innovative thing about this announcement is the partnership model between Internode and OptiComm: instead of either company trying to shoulder both the wholesale and retail components of the business, they have stuck to their core competencies. Internode will find and service customers, while OptiComm worries about keeping the network running without carrying the overheads associated with customers.

This is a two-company approach to the split model that Telstra (which is still wiring new housing estates with antiquated and broadband-unfriendly infrastructure) has repeatedly sworn to fight to the death, and the same one that the equally and vertically integrated Optus will need to learn to love if it is, as many expect, the winner of the NBN contract.

It's a clear confirmation that nobody can do everything — especially in difficult times — and that Internode is dead set on sticking to its knitting. Which is a good strategy for Internode, which has thrown its ADSL2+ hat in Telstra's ring and is now seeking differentiators from the FttN services the NBN will deliver.

But will it deliver real change to Australian broadband? Meh.

We've heard all manner of companies bleating about speed upgrades for years, but Australian consumers are smart enough by now to realise that these companies are just beating a dead horse — the myth that speed is all we need. While their new services are innovative in their own right — and benefit the very small number of people that live in their catchment areas — real change will only come with a broader, more realistic approach to broadband that is actually relevant to the rest of us.

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Talkback 60 comments

    Internode abandon their DSLAM rollout? Anonymous -- 02/03/09

    I'd hold off declairing internode's DSLAM rollout dead just yet.....

    RE: Internode abandon their DSLAM rollout? Anonymous -- 02/03/09 (in reply to #320124578)

    RTFA - Internode sold their souls to Sol$tra when they agreed to use Sol$tra's infrastructure - Internode are now forced to abandon any rollout (in any Sol$tra rolled-out region)

    They have not abandoned their roll out Jack -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124580)

    Internode has not stopped their own DSLAM roll out. They are continuing their own roll out of their DSLAMS.

    Perhaps not completely dead David Braue -- 02/03/09 (in reply to #320124578)

    But they've certainly decided to lean heavily on Telstra to fill out the numbers, which takes the pressure off them to keep trying to push their own gear into as many exchanges. Funding new DSLAMs now seems to be a nice-to-have instead of a business imperative.

    RE: Perhaps not completely dead Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124581)

    David, Internode make more profit by rolling out DSLAMs than using Telstra DSLAMs. They have more incentive than anyone to roll out their own equipment in every exchange in Australia.

    It's just that the NBN at the moment provides uncertainty as to whether their DSLAMs could be rendered obsolete in an instant. You can understand the hesitation.

    Interesting addendum David Braue -- 02/03/09

    After this blog went live today, we received a press release from Telstra highlighting its investment in a FttH rollout in South Australia's Hindmarsh Island "in an estate and village for over 55s".

    I have not been to Hindmarsh Island, but I gather from the pictures that soon-to-be-FttH-enabled Alexandrina Cove (www.alexandrinacove.com.au) is a pretty place where Adelaide-area residents go to enjoy the beaches and their yachts.

    An interesting choice of location for Telstra to make a FttH announcement, since SA is Internode's home state and Internode made its first FttH announcement on the same day. Yet while Internode has about a dozen projects on the horizon, Telstra claims over 100 "completed or planned projects" like this. www.telstra.com.au/smartcommunity.

    "Anything you can do, I can do better," Telstra is saying. Checkmate? Or has the game just begun?

    Not quite - more like a weak marketing gambit Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124582)

    Telstra can roll out as many FTTH developments as they like. I pity the residents of such estates.

    You only have to check the data per dollar value of Internode vs Telstra to see just how badly Velocity residents are being pocket-raped.

    Oh, let's not forget the completely artificial 30MB download cap. Probably a good thing when they give you a lousy 200Mb-5Gb a month, for about what internode charge for 50Gb at 100Mbit. Hmmm.

    Oh yeah, checkmate. Internode must be quaking in their boots.

    RIM orphans Anonymous -- 03/03/09

    In the meantine there are those of us who continue to struggle using ADSL1 connections attached to Telstra RIM equipment and get to experience the joys of congested backhaul and 10KB/sec downloads on our 1.5 and 8Mbps connections.

    The broadband in this country is completely f..ked.

    Ditto here Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124596)

    Mid north coast, 10 minutes from 2 major population areas & the best I can achieve from Smelstras antiquated local exchange is ADSL1 at 256Kbps while both my neighbours' only options are either dial-up or marginal wireless reception.
    High speed broadband? we wish!

    Please give it a rest Simon Hackett -- 03/03/09

    A second fit of pique because I didn't answer your email is hardly justified or reasonable, David.

    If you could decide to stop attacking me for the heinous crime of not having answered an email, I'd be happy to address your questions - and to correct the multiple deep and serious mistakes in your long chains of inference, both in this article and your previous one attacking me.

    I will give you an example:

    Regarding your false claim that Internode has, in any sense, stopped building DSLAM's because of also offering our customers the option of Telstra based ADSL2+ (in parallel).

    We submitted 23 new exchanges into the exchange access process in the last month.

    This week, around seven will enter construction, with the remainder caught up in the Telstra serial access process that limits the rate at which competition can gain a foothold.

    Further exchanges will go into build in the coming months, with the sole proviso being that the federal government decision on the NBN (whatever it is) comes out in a manner that doesn't make further investment of this type insane.

    If you could be so kind as to get off of your public high horse and send me a fresh set of direct questions, I'd be happy to answer them - as some time has passed, I presume you'd like to revise those questions a little at this point.

    Providing, that is, you decide to lay off of the petulant personal attacks.

    The rest of the industry continues to get commentary from me on request, and the rest of the media doesn't see fit to personally attack me if I don't happen to answer an email in my busy life.

    I hope you can see the pattern there. Personal attacks, and the creation of incorrect chains of inference that are, simply, false, is a pretty rude response to not getting what you wanted late last year.

    If you can get off of that high horse, I'd love to answer your email. If you can't, then I can live without your love.

    Regards,
    Simon Hackett
    MD, Internode

    Redbank Plains is new?? Marimus -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124603)

    Lets rant a little about journalists getting things wrong, ie the speed of Next G - and then fall on our faces when we state that Redbank Plains is a "new suburb".

    Sure its new, if we travel back in time to 1842 when it was opened up for free settlement - being a convict run sheep station before that.

    Redbank plains school road - named after the school built there in 1874.

    Sure thats new compared to Paris or London, but its not exactly new by Australian standards.

    I have learnt a bit of Queensland geography David Braue -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124609)

    You are right -- to clarify, the project is apparently at the new Fernbrooke estate in Redbank Plains but I took from the wording on the press release that it was a relatively new development. The development is new, but the suburb is indeed not.

    Simon (Templer) The Saint. Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124603)

    My we are thin skinned for such a seasoned campaigner Simon.

    But perhaps you would have grounds for complaint if you were actually attacked, say for example, like Sol Trujillo.

    But of course we all know that he is a sinner and you are a saint, because we read it on Whirlpool.

    Anonymous Courage Brendan. -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124636)

    It's easy to throw stones when hiding behind an anonymous handle - and that is the best response to the issues raised by the article?

    The entire industry is bogged down in antiquity, a recalcitrant monopoly and successive Federal Governments bent on resisting change almost as much as the incumbent telco does.

    Even the NBN is at best a tail-chasing exercise that will result in maintaining the same environment. If it fails, who will people turn to? Telstra? They've already moved on.

    Speaking of dead horses, this article is certainly bent on flogging one. I'm sure the message will carry equal impact without resorting to emotive tirades over one's lot in life.

    re Anonymous Courage Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124642)

    A deaf dumb and blind person would realize it was that "know it all" f..kwit Jason who sent in that anonymous idiotic comment. The fool cannot help himself.

    Jason, Jason, Jason. Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124675)

    Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, are you getting horny. rofl.

    All you can talk about is Jason, when you grow up I bet you wanna be like Jason.

    OMG. Again not everyone is Jason stupid. Jason -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124642)

    Please excuse this anonymous moron Brendan.

    He has this infatuation with me and just can't help himself. He's got it wrong 3 of the last 4 guesses. But 1 from 4 is pretty good for him.

    If only he actually knew, rofl

    Personal attack? Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124603)

    Grow a thicker skin Simon-there is nothing in that article that can be construed as a personal attack.
    If you think there is-point it out for everybody.
    Nice off topic comment though
    Grow some balls mate

    Peronal attacks? Are we reading the same blog? David Braue -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124603)

    Hi Simon, great to hear from you at last.

    Also great to hear that Internode will in fact continue its ADSL2+ rollouts. Are those 23 exchanges, exchanges where Telstra already has ADSL2+ gear, or are they new sites? How long have they been held up in the approvals process?

    May I also say that I'm a bit confused. You talk about my "petulant personal attacks" but your name does not even appear in this blog.

    In fact, if you read to the end you will see that I am complimentary of what Internode is doing, only questioning its relevance to the greater problems the industry faces. My point is that FttH deployments, like 21mbps wireless, are the concept car of telecoms and have little real-world relevance outside their direct sphere of influence.

    Somehow you have taken this as a personal attack. I have always had great respect for Internode's progressive market approach and successes, and for you as its spokesperson. And I have not once ever attacked you personally.

    I simply pointed out the fact that you have for over two months refused to answer my questions seeking clarification about what seemed to me to be a strangely coincidental set of events. As you are the spokesperson for Internode, the decision of how and whether to respond ultimately comes down to you -- and the stonewalling I've received is uncharacteristic of both you and Internode so I wanted to know why. As I have indicated, other Internode spokespeople were more than welcome to respond as well if you were not available, but that has not happened either.

    For all the fervour you've whipped up against me, you still have not even done me the courtesy of responding to my original email, which was not aggressive, inflammatory or personal in any way.

    I simply sent you a series of questions -- at your invitation, I might add -- in recognition of the fact that you didn't have time for a more in-depth phone conversation. I then followed up several times over the next few months and was told you would try to get back to me soon. This included the offer of a right of reply a week before I wrote the first column, but that contact too was met with stony silence.

    I'm sorry you have taken such great umbrage at my enquiries but you are the one that has made it personal, not I. I would have been satisfied with even a brief email with yes or no answers but I have not even received that.

    Every company is accountable for its actions, not just Telstra. If Internode cannot offer a clear explanation for the issues I have raised, people deserve to know.

    RE: Peronal attacks? Are we reading the same blog? Matt -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124851)

    Simon's response is here:
    http://web.mac.com/simon_hackett/Site/Technology/Entries/2009/3/4_Correcting_The_Record.html

    Substantiate Your Claims Kevmeister -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124851)

    David, I read your original article and now this one. For you to suggest that you have not made it personal is ridiculous. The first article was full of commentary of how Internode's MD had not replied to you, etc, etc.

    And then you started (and have continued to) weave in various conspiracy theories surrounding said lack of reply.

    You didn't even entertain the possibility of a balanced reply by giving Simon any benefit of the doubt. He didn't reply, and that meant he had something to hide - according to you.

    If the plan was to provoke people - you've done well.

    Prove your claims Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124866)

    Commentary does not equal a personal attack.Its the same as Hackett attacking Telstra all the time.
    If you give it, you have to learn how to take it,something Hackett obviously does not do very well.
    A balanced reply was available at any time but Hackett chose not to reply.That was his choice.
    That merely confirmed the first article was correct and there is nothing in Hacketts reply to suggest otherwise.
    No wonder he didnt reply to those first emailed questions

    Fluff. Mr1979 -- 03/03/09

    Gee with articles like this maybe you should write for South Park. :p

    Gee..where's Terria NOW?? Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124618)

    Gee...whatever happened to the Terria group?? Looks like they turned on each other. Where's Michael Egan now with his spin. lol lol

    Did internode run over your cat or something Anonymous -- 03/03/09

    Good to see you dont let the facts get in the way of an article rather rely on personal ill informed opinion to pass as journalism. I expect this from a spoilt 10 year old not an adult.

    Did internode run over your cat or something Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124624)

    Right or wrong, your comment sounds like it was sent in from a spoilt 10 year old. No substance so why bother ?

    RE: FTTH 100mbs Anonymous -- 03/03/09

    What ISP would really be able to delivery these speeds to everyone and most websites already cap users, for now its a pointless project

    FTTH 100mbs Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124635)

    It is not the point whether content providers throttle the flow of data or not, the point is BANDWIDTH, how many sources of content can you squeeze down the cable coming into your home simultaneously, ie streaming DV to your TV, downloading music to your ipod, phoning overseas on Skype, emailing, file transfers and all the new sources of content that will evolve in the future. Demand for content will force a supply of bandwidth from the telcos. Have faith, you will be older & wiser when it arrives, but it will come.

    Internode abandon their DSLAM rollout? Tom -- 03/03/09

    Silly sensationalism by a silly reporter. I'd bet my house that you write this nonsense just to generate hits on your blog so that you can justify your job.

    Simon Hackett is not at your beck and call, why have a tantrum about it. Which other MD's or CEO's are as approachable and as engaging as Simon?

    If this is how you behave then no wonder you get fed breadcrumbs.

    @Internode Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124655)

    And they say the Telstra fanbois are a fickle bunch?

    Fanboi Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124656)

    "Internode fanboi"

    Bahahaha

    Well... Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124665)

    Well I'm actually a customer of Netspace and couldn't care two hoots about Internode.

    It's more the fact that this so called "Journalist" writes some of the worst crap that can be found on ZDNet.

    It's a shame, really.

    Re well... Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124741)

    Did you say that about the "Journalist" the other 100 times, when it was Telstra the "Journalist" was chastising, or just this once?

    No need to answer, we already know.

    It's a shame really.

    More like Full Simplex Jesus Christ -- 03/03/09

    Take the plank out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of someone else's.

    refund for 5 minutes anonymous -- 03/03/09

    please refund 5 minutes of my life you wasted, reading this article

    5 minutes? Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124659)

    Don't you mean 45 minutes?

    The 5 minutes it took to read it and the 40 minutes you took to think up and write such wisdom?

    5 minutes? Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124664)

    "Don't you mean 45 minutes?"

    You wouldn't get more than 5 seconds, you numbskull.

    Coincidence Anonymous -- 03/03/09 (in reply to #320124677)

    What a coincidence.

    That's also what your Mrs says about you, 5 second boy.

    Still waiting .. Anonymous -- 03/03/09

    for an answer from the first article David wrote.
    Obviously touched a raw nerve there so we wont hold our breath.
    Internode have had plenty of time to respond to the previous article but choose not to-i think that says it all really.

    Gotta love the Node fanboys on Internodes forum Whirlpool sticking up for the internet God lol

    Do ZDNet ever fire employees? Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    seriously David with the articles you publish that seem to not tell the whole truth or just have you attacking someone I cant see why you are still employed

    A response from Internode Simon Hackett -- 04/03/09

    Well, you demanded one, David.

    Here it is:

    http://web.mac.com/simon_hackett/Site/Technology/Entries/2009/3/4_Correcting_The_Record.html

    I guess that means I've answered your email now.

    I think we have just found the new Sol. Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124787)

    Simon, with all that spin you have just jumped to the #1 spot on Telstra's most likely replacement CEO list.

    Well done.

    spin, lol Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124791)

    Got anything or any links to refute Simon's rebuttal, or is the best you can come up with is "Spin" ?!?

    Braue blantently lied about further exchange expansion, and with increasing Internode exchange numbers it's verging on libel ... If I was Internode, I would go after ZDNet with a Libel case to put an end to Braue career ...

    Anon

    Spin and Libel? Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124798)

    Spin? Right from the start. There are finite days in the year so announcements do happen to be made on the same day. lol indeed.

    But a libel case to ruin David Braue? And I thought Internode were said to be the nice guys? Not even Telstra would do something so disgracefully low, simply out of spite.

    Looks like we are finally seeing Internode and their fanbois true colours.

    Internodes response Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124787)

    All coincidences-really Simon,is that all you could muster?
    Like the previous poster said-Telstra top spot is looking good for you right now-all spin and high prices-tailor made for you

    Whaaaa.... Rex Alfie Lee -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124796)

    Coming in at the tail end of all this I can but wonder what David Braue has against Simon Hackett. Whether he be an Internode leader of the next world or liar in everyone's eyes it does seem as though Internode is trying. This is unlike the fat-****-from-hell run by the running man who seems to have just shot themselves in the foot recently.

    I don't know about anyone else but whilst I hate the fat-****-from-hell & the running man, I don't necessarily agree with FTTH. I believe that the last kilometre or maybe if it has to be 100 metres then let it be so but how can it be cost effective to rebuild the infrastructure to every single house.

    The years involved building Telstra's (f-b-f-h) infrastructure would be in real terms far more than 9 billion dollars including the upgrades to services.

    Having the last km or 100 mts wireless must substantially reduce the cost of the physical rollout. Yes it may decrease the bandwidth substantially but how many people at home actually need 100 Mb/sec. With a true 10 Mb/sec most would served. A small, web-based or medium to large business that requires large bandwidth for constant high band-width downloads needs substantially more. Let them pay for their own infrastructure, they can claim it on their tax.

    Ultimately the expectation is that new & better download bandwidth will be developed as has been in every other area of computing over that last 50 or so years. Australia's infrastructure is so large that a single line to every house is truly dumb.

    FttH in the NBN David Braue -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124838)

    A very practical argument re FttH and you are 100% correct that most would be served with a true 10Mb/sec -- the business case around FttH is built on the presumed triple-play or quad-play argument, but the fragmented nature of Australia's market makes those difficult to envision as it would require the reining in of Foxtel, Australia's monopoly pay-TV provider.

    In the US, cable companies and those operating copper/FttH networks have fought for years over access rights and service equivalency -- and it's hard to imagine Foxtel handing over the keys to triple-play operators without a fight. Which would leave FttH rollouts predicated on still-hazy dreams of telemedicine, videoconferencing and the like.

    Given all this, it will definitely be interesting to see whether the NBN bids incorporate an FttH component - and on what basis the investment is cost-justified. It would seem to need to be supported by a tier-one operator simply to get the economies of scale, but until then Internode's split-responsibility approach may be more typical of what we can expect. Which is good for some but irrelevant for most.

    my new hero Anonymous -- 05/03/09

    nice to see Simon getting the thickhead slap he deserves, well done

    you Sir are my new hero, i was a member of whirlpool but after pointing out how Hackett is a hypocrit was permanently banned ( funny that )

    Hackett hates Telstra, bags them at every chance given but jumps into bed with them like a 2 bit ****

    wonder what the right price will be before they sell themselves out completely?

    banned from whirlpool Anonymous -- 08/03/09 (in reply to #320124872)

    How true the comment about being banned from Whirlpool for criticising Internode-i wonder how many they have banned over the years for doing this.
    Their forum is modded by Internode fanboys for gods sake-no wonder it always looks good.
    Anybody with a legitimate gripe is asked to change the thread title if it is derogatory to Internode and the thread is closed soon thereafter.
    Simon attacks Telstra in the forum even though it is against Whirlpool rules and it is approved.
    Good to see him getting the put down he deserves-long overdue

    How about NSIT? Anonymous -- 08/03/09 (in reply to #320125073)

    It's not referred to as Hackettpool for nothing!

    Should perhaps be changed to NSIT - now simon is talking

    my new hero Anonymous -- 13/03/09 (in reply to #320125096)

    ok then as a hero i will continue my campaign to turn as many people of internode as possible and bad mouth that company as much as possible

    its nice to see the negative threads increasing on the internode forums

    it would be nice to see it gone forever but alas like a dogs fart it will linger on too long

    speaking of dogs farts, Simon Hackett , he likes to toot his own horn , doing this doing that ,new products, innovators etc etc yet when the crap hits the fan its all Telstras fault???

    that is all

    and it happens again Anonymous -- 20/03/09

    be warned , dont start a thread or post about internode unless its to kiss their feet

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1164986

    PHBM Communications Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126273)

    LOL.

    They should change their name from Internode to PHBM (post hidden by moderator) Communications.

    Maybe Conroy is going to have PHBM Communications help with net filtering too? They seem like the logical choice!

    PHBM Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126274)

    its crazy

    whirlpool moderators would filter out all but internode love stories

    oh wait they already do ; )

    i was having trouble with the security code ( maybe the moderators have hacked into here as well lol )

    Security code, not Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126276)

    No there's a simple explanation and it's not crazy, not a security code issue and not hackers.

    It's all your fault. You obviously put your hands on your head, and Simon never said!

    ahh Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126278)

    well i actually thought it may be telstras fault everything else seems to be

    poor internode

    now closed Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126273)

    And now the thread is closed by an Internode moderator-nothing changes on Hackettpool

    Of course the poster is put in the penalty bin

    nwant Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320126287)

    so we have both, now we are talking and now we are not talking. as biased as the telstra site is, they do let some nasty ones through.

    nwant Anonymous -- 21/03/09 (in reply to #320126288)

    now we are talking is advertised as a telstra site at least unlike whirlpool that is supposed to be a general information site but have severe bias towards internode

    good example

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=691441

    people have issues contacting telstra, starts Feb 07 last post 28th Feb 09 allowed to run 2 years

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1164986

    people having issues contacting internode, starts thursday 19th March 09 closed 20th March 09 allowed to run 2 days

    and they say theres no bias

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