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Forget the NBN, 100Mbps is already here

Posted by David Braue @ 11:00 55 comments

It's amazing what telcos can do when they put their heads to it. Telstra, TransACT and Optus announced last week that they would switch on 100Mbps internet services — making ADSL customers green with envy and, one might suspect, Stephen Conroy green with worry.

The NBN isn't the only way Australians can get 100Mbps services, the telco giant has proved; it is now up to the government to match and exceed Telstra's example.

With actual, purchasable 100Mbps consumer services out there in the real world, Australia's broadband market will change dramatically — not in terms of what most speeds people are actually getting, but in terms of what everybody else's services are compared to. Bet your booties that all three companies, which have first-mover advantage thanks to their turbo-charged fibre and hybrid fibre-coaxial networks, will be working to raise the bar as high as they can.

Let the services begin, as they say in the classics. What services? The long-elusive triple play — telephony, television and data — is a good place to start. They may be a footnote to its ongoing political intrigues, but Telstra has been steadily building its credentials as a triple-play provider: increasingly flexible Foxtel packages now reach mobiles, smartphones (including, recently, the iPhone), and even allow viewing of video via the web.

It's all part of a strategy to add more flexibility to shift its video interests online — not only because it sounds cool, but because a data-based video stream allows Telstra to look beyond the edges of its own network and onto the eventual NBN.

For now, however, Telstra's 100Mbps customers are limited to its own HFC network, which makes these initial services as much about expectation-setting as anything else. But there is a bigger game afoot here as Telstra proves a very big point with the government.

The proven ability to deliver 100Mbps services to large numbers of customers is a big step for Telstra — like when your little brother says he can eat more worms than you, and then does. In delivering real 100Mbps services like it said it would, Telstra has shifted the onus onto a government that now faces even more pressure to deliver the NBN as designed.

If problems derail the NBN, or if it cannot deliver the same experience Telstra's cable network can, Telstra will score no small amount of philosophical bragging rights. Ditto TransACT, which has long provided some pretty excellent triple-play services to residents of a few select pockets of the ACT; its content offerings already well established, the addition of 100Mbps is not so confrontational as evolutionary.

Even Optus — which will be third to the market with 100Mbps but still has good reach with its HFC network — isn't going to be sitting around waiting for the NBN.

So, while Telstra's HFC network is still limited to the same 2.5 million households or so that it has always serviced, its head-start in building customer loyalty should not be underestimated. Telstra has several years to set customer expectations for 100Mbps internet in Melbourne, potentially becoming the favoured provider — and developing strategies to counter the eventual introduction of the NBN.

Even as the government continues to back the NBN's ponderous roll-out, Telstra, Optus and TransACT will use their lead time to tweak pricing, charging a premium for their 100Mbps services today to recover their capital investments — and build up a data-based infrastructure that's ready to be switched onto the NBN at a word. Telstra's new T-Box is another extension of this, combining PVR capabilities with access to Telstra's increasingly data-based content library over any network capable of carrying it.

Little wonder Conroy is so eager to wrest control of the HFC network from Telstra: if Telstra plays its cards right, it can build up a strong 100Mbps following and create the same kind of inertia that for high-speed broadband that it has long enjoyed on the copper local loop. This, in turn, will diminish the NBN's natural market and create new forms of competition for Conroy's biggest project.

Pricing, marketing and bundling will of course be critical for the success of these new services. But by living up to its promise to bring 100Mbps services before year's end, Telstra has scored a direct hit on the government. The NBN isn't the only way Australians can get 100Mbps services, the telco giant has proved; it is now up to the government to match and exceed Telstra's example. From 1 December, every day the NBN is not operating, is another tiny win for Telstra.

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Talkback 55 comments

    NBN Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    Too little too late Telstra.

    You are still responsible for the poor maintenance of all your lines which has lead to many many people experiencing poor service.

    Optus uses Telstra (as does almost every other ISP) as their wholesaler, meaning they rent the use of Telstra's lines, so it's not surprising that once Telstra has obtained 100Mbps speeds other ISPs can follow.

    Optus HFC Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392378)

    No, you are wrong. Optus and Transact are offering this on their own HFC networks. If you have Optus cable installed, they run a separate coax cable to your house in addition to your existing Telstra line. Optus does lease some copper off Telstra for ADSL but that is not relevant to this article.

    Wholesaling Anon Ymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392378)

    You will find that Optus actually uses its own network for HFC Cable. It does not in any way share Telstra equipment for this service. It does however use Telstra's copper network for ADSL2+ services

    agree with your sentiment.. Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392378)

    ..but your facts let you down. Optus use the Telstra network for DSL services, not cable which is a completely different (and independent) network.

    Very interesting. But, Vasso Massonic -- 23/11/09

    Conroy can try....."Little wonder Conroy is so eager to wrest control of the HFC network from Telstra"

    He must, if he can afford it, ... BUY control "on Just Terms".

    A timely precedent on the other Rudd's folly........"Meanwhile, senior lawyers have warned that the scheme could leave taxpayers exposed to billions of dollars in compensation claims from polluters. Legal advice provided to the Australian Greens by Melbourne senior counsel Brian Walters and prominent Sydney barrister Matthew Baird has concluded that tradeable emissions permits would be regarded under the law as a private property right.

    The advice points out that the constitution requires the Government to provide compensation on ''just terms'' when it alters the value of private property. It suggests any move to strengthen emissions targets could affect the value of assets such as coal-fired power stations if the Government is forced to withdraw permits from the system to meet the more onerous target. The potential liability, the lawyers warn, could be worth billions of dollars."

    Extracts: Courtesy:

    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/libs-warn-turnbull-carbon-plan-risks-split-20091121-is7x.html

    Stop... now... please Jim -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392382)

    Again Vasso, Just like in the Iphone article.

    You are grabbing snippets from stories that are not even remotley related.

    That article talks about the ETS legislation not the Telecommuications one.. I mean did you even read what you posted??

    "tradeable emissions permits would be regarded under the law as a private property right.
    "

    The two bits of legislation are so dramatically diffrent even trying to compare is laughable.

    While you are out scanning sites for snigle grabs of text that would help your unfounded rampage, did you happen to find the one where Conroy stated that the legislation is airtight? or did you miss that one..

    I would take the time to find it, but I really dont see the point. go back to your Telstra fan boi site... wait....

    Jim, with due respect................ Vasso Massonic -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392405)

    Did you read my preamble... "A timely precedent on the other Rudd's folly"

    Nota Bene:

    ......."the constitution requires the Government to provide compensation on ''just terms'' when it alters the value of private property"..... this is common law, applicable to any private property.

    100Mbps - BUT not for Tesltra Pair Gain Victims Bill Caelli -- 23/11/09

    Isn't it wonderful!
    100Mbps, when those in areas of Canberra (yes) and Southern Queensland have yet to see "broadband" at all - courtesy of Telstra's RIM and Pair Gain disasters.
    It is really time that politicians got the mess sorted out - FAST - since for many of us such necessities as patching an OS or app, getting latest anti-virus signatures etc are just wild dreams!
    For us - what's YouTube and so on?

    Telstra couldn't care less, it seems - well, that's according to my Telstra shop - not in any legislated service requirement on them - so NO GO! NOT INTERESTED! NO GOOD PROFITS THERE!

    and the NBN - well, when?

    Too bad speeds like this arnt availible everywhere Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    The speeds telstra is offering may be great but i highly dout that telstra will offer these speeds at a resonable price point, currently telstra charge a horendouc 90 bucks a month for 20 gigs on adsl2+. and as far as get this in my area is near inposible. I live in the metropoliton area. Heck i live 400 meters from the exchange and cant even get adsl2. This is why the NBN is such a great thing. It will mean that most places will be able to get speeds of 100mb and at a reasonable price.

    When 100Mbps is NOT 100Mbps! Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    Telstra's cable network is a SHARED medium!

    You CANNOT get true 100Mb/s dedicated speed unless you are the ONLY person using your portion of the cable network! FACT!

    Telstra love to "spin" - and saying that customers on their cable network now have access to 100Mbps network as a comparison the the NBN is exactly that - SPIN!

    (The same goes for all other coax networks!)

    Re: When 100Mbps is NOT 100Mbps! John @ Parramatta -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392391)

    Anonymous you are correct that unlike ADSL, HFC does share bandwidth with all other subscibers on the same node.

    However, I currently use Bigpond Cable Extreme and I regularly test my speeds using speedtest.net and I get 23Mb/s on average.

    I also don't have a home phone and use VoIP for incoming and outgoing calls over the Cable network.

    I will admit that if I didn't continually tell Bigpond that I'll leave them if they don't give me $20/month off my bill, I would leave them for ADSL!

    NBN Fibrem 100Mb/s will be throttled upstream ! Reality Check -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392391)

    Telstra HFC docsis 3.0, 100 mb/s is not contended like DSL services.

    See Technical specification. Dr Hugh Bradlow

    Real world speed will be far closer to nominal 100 mb/s even with major traffic demand.

    Also worth noting that NBN fibre services are likely NOT to provide nominal 100 Mb/s !

    As pipes upstream from the tails WILL NOT be sized for the full 100 mb/s service each and every tail is connected for.

    Any way the Telstra nominal 100Mb/s is HERE and NOW as opposed to the NBN nominal 100mb/s many years away and not 1 customer to speak off.

    Highly likely the NBN if it makes it to advertising for customers (via wholesaler's) will also be competing with wireless at 100 mb/s !!

    NBN viability is unequivocally dead without Telstra. . . . . . . wonderful plumage though.

    No it's not here ... Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392395)

    Here and now my arse! Lucky if you happen to live in one of the small areas that have it, if you ignore the small limits/high prices (as another commenter has said).

    Bring on the NBN - these small areas with notional 100 Mb/s connections are meaningless, they are not large numbers of users, the percentage of the Australian population with access to these services is small.
    The main thing about the NBN is giving access to reasonable bandwidth to a very large percentage of the populace.

    Get the facts right first Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392395)

    100Mbs fibre optic is also here and it was before the HFC 100Mbs. It is in some new estates and unlike HFC you have a choice of ISP. 100Mbs down and 5Mbs up courtesy of Opticomm. Fat lot of good HFC or FFTH is for those poor suckers still on a RIM or in the bush which I would have thought was one of the major points of the NBN.

    Not just Telstra Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392391)

    Optus loves the spin just as much check out their article on their upgrade and you will find they say the same thing. As it goes my parents had bigpond cable and as is mentioned the more people you get using it the slower it goes, the same can be said for people currently on optus cable.

    NBN Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    The only reason Tel$tra is doing this is to score points on the NBN.

    If Tel$tra was about services not profit then Australia would have world class infrastructure not the rubish we have now.

    Bring on the split

    the truth is... Salami Chujillo -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392398)

    Telstra's SCARED sh*tless.

    open eyes Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392400)

    open your eyes those of you who are blinded by your hatred of Telstra. Maybe this is what Krudd and Conroy had planned all along, threaten all of this and just sit back and watch the response. Great way to get investment and to honour your election spin without actually having to do anything.

    Rudd and Conroy Are Intellectectually And Morally Bankrupt FAILURE'S Reality Check -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392403)

    Rubbish. Telstra had intended to upgrade bandwidth 4 YEARS AGO to 65% of population.

    Telstra upgrading Next G to 21 Mb/s to 98% of the population . . . . .
    and HFC to 100 mb/s . . . . . .
    while ADSL 2+ already available is taken up by less than 5% of the people who have access to it . . . . .
    IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM credit to the stageringly stupid and morally bankrupt Conroy and Rudd.

    4 years ago?? Salami Chujillo -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392407)

    why didn't they do it then? why now? Again, the truth is, Telstra's scared SH*TLESS.

    actually.... Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392413)

    Telstra is really doing this as a very clever politcal gambit, either way they go from here they win.

    Telstra either wins financially by deploying the 100mbs service, which increases the value of their HFC network (and thus if the NBNco wanted to aquire parts of it, they'd have to pay significantly more). Further they can recoup costs while the NBN farts around being built.

    Also, if the government attempts to split telstra, having been all nice guys and just launched a 100mbs service; the government look like knobs for crapping on the 'nice guy's parade. Thus losing valuable political points coming up to an election year.

    I could go on about the political and financial reasons behind this implementation and why the government should be concerned, but the caliber of responses here indicates that my statements will just be met with more useless and illfounded drivel of telstra or government hate.

    @Rudd and Conroy, ga ga ga Real Reality Check -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392407)

    Whos really the stageringly stupid ones, apart from Reality Check, which is a given.

    Without doing anything but warning Telstra, Rudd and Conroy have already successfully managed to get Telstra to invest more than they ever did pre or have post, NextG.

    Open eyes Vasso Massonic -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392403)

    Krudd & Conroy Clayton NBN.

    Have an NBN , when you don't have one

    re Open your eyes, yes please do Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392403)

    Yeah, our hatred of Telstra and Rudd and Conroys hatred of Telstra and Howard and Coonans hatred of Telstra and Graeme whathisname and the ACCC's hatred of Telstra.

    As if they and we all have nothing better to do than hate Telstra. Take your own advice and open your eyes..

    Telstra isn't exactly a not-for-profit Anonymous -- 24/11/09 (in reply to #320392398)

    you do realise Telstra is a shareholding company and therefore need to make money for its "mum and dad" shareholders... last i checked i didn't see on the ato website that they were registered as charitable organisation

    too right Anonymous -- 24/11/09 (in reply to #320392600)

    telstra are the reipients of charity.

    free network here, free uso money there.

    Too little, too little Mel Sommersberg -- 23/11/09

    Never mind the too late, the cable networks have such small footprints that it hardly makes this newsworthy. Unless you live in a profitable street in five state capitals or Canberra then you simply cannot get cable Internet. I'll add that cable is not the value for money that it once was. Telstra blocks mail ports on cable, so you can't run your own mail server and Optus is infamous for blocking any sort of server on their connections. TransACT's prices are a joke and download limits on all three are laughable. If you were to download continually for enough time to reach the average download limit then you'd blow it in a few days.

    Don't think for a minute that any of these companies are douing you any favours. They just want a faster way to suck wads of cash out of your pocket and this is the perfect way to do it.

    Charged Uploads.... Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    I have a fundamental issue with ISP's that charge for both uploaded and downloaded data, ie Telstra, Optus (and more recently Primus). I wont be switching back to them any time soon. I will stick with my 14/1mbps ADSL 2+ until the NBN kicks off, more than enough speed.

    fundamental? demonrob -- 16/12/09 (in reply to #320392415)

    the fundamental is that it costs the ISP for data in both directions, so why shouldn't both be charged? Its a historical legacy that it wasn't charged but fundamentally all data should be charged to the user.

    Where's the upload? Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    The big problem with the Telstra and Optus 100Mbps offerings is they are highly asymmetric with an pitiful 2Mbps upload speed (Telstra, Optus unknown) thus making them unsuitable for so many of the new applications that would run on the NBN. Both these services are either unsuitable or unable (choose) not to supply businesses who are ones that really need the greater upload speed.

    Restrictions from the big boys Mel Sommersberg -- 07/12/09 (in reply to #320392429)

    They restrict uploads to force those who want to run servers to use their 'premium' products that cost lots more.

    Competition Paul Grenfell -- 23/11/09

    Yes, HFC is a shared medium, and i wouldnt connect it unless it gauranteed 50mbps, but in any case, the NBN is all about Competition as well as speed. Will HFC give more than 2mbs upload? Doubt it..
    So unless You have at least 2 competing Network Cables running Side by Side ( like Optus and Telstra ) then there is still no decent Competition..
    NBN Ftth has the ability to go beyond 100mbps and Symetrical as well, beat that..
    Bring on the Fibre..

    It's not 100mbit though is it? Simon Shaw -- 23/11/09

    AFAIK, 100mbit bandwidth on cable is *shared* bandwidth amongst everyone connected to that hub. So if 10 people are connected, each downloading as fast as they can, they get 10mbit each.

    Incorrect Anonymous -- 24/11/09 (in reply to #320392432)

    This is incorrect. Do your research. Read the note further up

    lol..but it is telstra Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    Of course they have opened up their lines, but you need to remember that with that speed you can indeed download fast, but what happens to the consumer when they go over the limits imposed? seems rather pointless to have such speeds when we in australia have capped limits!

    Hehehe..... Anonymous -- 23/11/09 (in reply to #320392433)

    I can imagine the plans now, 100mbps with 500mb of download quota and $150/GB excess.

    Flap you Telstra.

    Wasn't that long ago you were saying we don't need these fast speeds, It's amazing what you can do now when running scared.

    DIE Telstra!!!!

    u stupid reporters Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    FTTH is future proof 100mbps omg same speed as FTTH

    fibre world record stands at 25.6tb/s

    100mbps for fibre is like a walk in the park.... stop being a noob and report real news

    NBN is about geography not speed Francis -- 23/11/09

    Yet again the speed furphy!

    Fibre has no theoretical speed limit. The NBN is a government infrastructure project to get fibre into every home and business it can reasonably reach. This is a future-proof, low maintenance physical asset that will be available for multiple services with no inherent speed limit and no shared bandwidth.

    Instead this story is all about Telstra, Optus and TransACT upping speeds to existing capital city customers, and has little to do with the raison d'etre of the FTTH rollout to the millions of Australian households who happen to be more than a 5 km copper wire away from an ADSL-equipped telephone exchange.

    Thumbs up George Richardson -- 29/11/09 (in reply to #320392447)

    Francis knows what hes talking about...

    Fibre is the new medium... coax.. copper.. pfft

    wireless is something we are still a little short of info on, obviously telstra has put some real... but fibre is the sh!t...

    once we all get ftth... give it 10 years... we will be on gigabit connections... NBN will be the best thing for Australians..

    Connectivity Daniel -- 20/12/09 (in reply to #320392999)

    My mate in the Brisbane suburb of Wacol has the option of either 56.6 kbps dial-up or a wireless connection. There's no ADSL or ADSL 2+ or cable or anything. Wonder how that happened? Nothing whatsoever not in a million years to do with the remand centre or psych hospital in the area is what the Telcos would say I bet.
    If we let Telstra & Optus run things the rich would be going at light-speed while the rest of us scratch the dirt.
    In any case...I'm so very over the internet. It's such a cold place to be. I wish it would just switch off so I could get back to all the books I was going to read 15 years ago.

    A little out of date Stephen Davies -- 23/11/09

    You are a little out of date. Internode announced back in February this year they were delivering 100Mbps over the Opticomm network.

    Unlikely Optus, Telstra and TransACT who have YET to deliver their 100Mbps, Opticomm and its various retailers operating over the network have already been delivering 100Mbps for the past 9 months.

    1000/1000 Mbps FttH Paul Grenfell -- 23/11/09

    Forget the HFC, 1,000Mbps Fibre is already here

    1000/1000 Mbps FttH test Amsterdam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWdlw50ijM

    100 meg here already? Robert T Builder -- 23/11/09

    Yes, not a problem....IF YOU CAN GET CABLE!!! Seriously, get stuffed Telstra, Optus et al. Cable rollout is limited, what a ridiculous news topic.

    Forget NBN, 100mbps is already here, yeah, for people lucky enough to get it. Does it cover the whole of Australia? Of course it doesn't, what absolute hogwash. Report on something worthwhile and not this tripe.

    TransACT rolls out 1Gbps broadband Paul Grenfell -- 23/11/09

    TransACT rolls out 1Gbps broadband
    ONT technology can boost speeds further.

    http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/315735/transact_rolls_1gbps_broadband

    As the National Broaband Network develops with the intention of provising 100Mbps fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP), ACT ISP TransACT has announced the successful delivery of 1Gbps broadband to residential dwellings and businesses.

    See the potential of FTTH/FTTP NBN?

    Slightly biased and (RE: A little out of date) Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    @Stephen Davies: Nice one, you are correct, Internode has been servicing 100Mbps connections through internode for 9 months now.

    Stephen Conroy is not green with worry, he has a smile a mile wide. The whole point of the NBN is to encourage competition and reduce costs to the consumer by levelling the playing field from the incumbent Telstra. Also the NBN will rollout 100mps to 90% of the Australian population, not just the 25% of the population based in the inner city capitals that is currently serviced by the shared fibre-coaxial cable rolled out by Telstra and Optus.

    Conroy's FTTP NBN will give ALL Australians access to this technology, and it cant come soon enough.

    and nothing for the bush again Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    makes me sick that this federal govt is going to spend billion of dollar in these already serviced area that have adsl ans adsl2 etc with nbn fiber first and forget about rural australia... would best to spend the billion on fiber to the rural places of australia and let the the big telco compete for the bigger cities like is already starting now, save a lot on dupucation by our federal govt with there own fiber

    100MB here Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    Ok if you think is is already here can I get my 100MB unlimited symetrical connection installed tommorow Please
    will pay @$99.00 per month

    Proven? Anonymous -- 23/11/09

    Why is 'the proven ability to deliver 100mbps' constantly touted? None of these companies have done it yet. They havent proven anything.

    I can do a press release saying i will offer 500gbps broadband but actually pulling it off stabily is a whole different story. Who is to say it wont be horribly slow with everyone dowloading at 100mbit?

    'If the NBN cant deliver it Telstra's network can' Again, Where has this been proven?? half the time people on Telstra's 30mbit cable only achieve high 10's low 20's, What will happen when people can download in bursts of almost four times as fast!

    I would rather 20/5 with uncounted uploads than 100/2 with counted uploads. We need to move towards higher quotas, uncounted uploads, and less asymetric services (eg at least 1:10 ratio)

    I dont care if Telstra cable and Optus cable are upgraded to 1gbps. Its no good if you cant use the speed for more than a few seconds without going over your quota.

    Yawn! singo79 -- 23/11/09

    Big deal, Telstra and Optus have managed to deliver 100Mbps connection speeds to Melbourne and Sydney, that's it!

    Wow lets all get excited about two Capital Cities getting 100Mbps broadband connections. Don't worry about the rest of Australia, let's just focus on two cities and consider this a real achievement.

    When I see a vast majority of Australians kicking back with 100Mbps broadband piped into their homes, then I'll be impressed, but until then don't bother waking me up.

    Telstra and Optus are touting this as some big achievement. A big achievement would be to straight to the speeds that our Korean friends are running, now that would be an achievement.

    Get it right Anonymous -- 24/11/09

    You would think for a tech site that ZDNet would know that a HFC network does not compare to either ADSL or Fibre. HFC is a shared connection much like wireless so a 100 Mbps connection is shared with all on the hub, so in realistic terms a person on HFC might actually get a connection around the same as an ADSL2 connection when sharing with other people.

    Also, I think it is wrong for the media to play the line that the NBN is limited to 100Mbps, Fibre is able to be easily upgraded as demand increases without the need to lay additional cable. Who knows, a few years after rollout the max bandwith available could be 1Gbps?

    High speed, low quota Mystikan -- 24/11/09

    And what's the good of 100MB/s speeds if your quota is so stupidly low that you'd use it all in a day? I dumped Telstra for Internode 6 years ago and haven't looked back since. Telstra's plans are so restrictive that if you do anything more than browse the web (not including streaming sites) and check your emails you'll blow your tiny quota in 6 hours. Screw that.

    I'd rather have more quota and less speed if it comes to it. Speed is only worth anything when it's backed up by quota. Otherwise, why bother?

    Low quota, high cost Anonymous -- 24/11/09 (in reply to #320392556)

    Mystikan and others have it right. Telstra has never got over its original govt dept mindset of "we'll give you what we want, when (if) we want to, and we'll bluff you into paying huge charges for mediocre quality and non-existent service."

    Then they have the nerve to play the nationalist card and say we should use them because they are in Australia. Well, so are about a thousand other service providers, nearly all of whom offer better value with much better service.

    Only Telstra employees and shareholders, and uninformed members of the public, could continue to believe that Telstra products are remotely competitive and value driven.

    Just keep going Anonymous -- 24/11/09 (in reply to #320392592)

    Feel free to continue throwing your money out of Australia then. Whilst Telstra may have out of touch pricing, at least they are keeping that money here.

    And besides. I have a little secret. You'll have to wait a week tho... ;-)

    RE: High speed, low quota Anonymous -- 30/11/09 (in reply to #320392556)

    You are wrong. I do much much more than just checking emails and browsing the web. I watch tons of You Tube videos, download heaps of software, patch my machines and download AV signatures. I also watch movies online.

    I play online with my PS3 and also download stuff to it.

    My 12GB quota lasts me the whole month.

    You just need to know how to use it.

    Bollocks! Anonymous -- 09/12/09 (in reply to #320393053)

    You obviously DON'T "do much much more than just checking emails and browsing the web".
    12Gb is freaking tiny. I'm on a 90gig/month plan and I regularly go over it. I rent movies (via zune), stream content, download programs, bittorrent etc, and there is no damn way that 12gig would last anyone doing this even a single week, let alone a full month.
    You sir, DO NOT use the net in any meaningful way if 12Gb lasts a month.

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